Do stringing patterns affect racket performance?

Arak

Semi-Pro
Sorry for the probably silly question, but I have this problem with my blade 98 18x20. Every time I have it strung, it comes back to me with a different stringing pattern and tie-off positions. Only the first stringing job came back similar to the recommended pattern by Wilson, but I can’t find the guy who did it. I don’t have this problem with my PS97 and RF97 as they seem to have a standard pattern. So my question is, should I worry about it, or ignore it and just play? :)
 

Rabbit

G.O.A.T.
Ignore it and play. Jay Schweid, 80's stringing "guru", claimed he had developed the ultimate pattern. It was proprietary and super secret. Anyone who strung for him had to sign a non-disclosure....it was that good.

Nobody uses it any more. Most people say Jay who?
 

jim e

Legend
What is your definition of a different string pattern?
is it different number of mains or cross strings, different main skips where pattern is actually different.
Or is it just tie off locations?
 

Irvin

Talk Tennis Guru
Absolutely. That’s why professional stringing teams have standardized default patterns so everyone on the team strings with the same methods. There may be slight differences in the people that use the procedures.

EDIT: Why else would anyone pay for professional stringing services like P1? Notice what @RJYU says at 1:35 in this video. If having the same person is important don’t you think the pattern would matter?

 
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Rabbit

G.O.A.T.
@Irvin - P1 doesn't use a standardized pattern or even a standard knot. And any stringer will bow to the player's request as they should. Most sites directives are more for cosmetics than performance, i.e. Wimbledon mandating the use of two knots, Pro or Parnell. P1 is paid because Roger Federer gets the undivided attention of @RJYU and not some other stringer.

And at that mention, I would love to hear what @RJYU has to say about this topic as changed by you.

The OP asked if stringing a Blade 98 18X20 with a different pattern mattered. Simple answer is: it does not. 2 knots versus 4 knots? If all things are equal meaning tension and string used, it does not matter. RIF
 

travlerajm

G.O.A.T.
All I know is, my BLX Blade 18x20s played and felt a lot sweeter when I strung them up as 16x20 pattern without those outer mains that are annoyingly close to the edge of the frame.
 

Arak

Semi-Pro
What is your definition of a different string pattern?
is it different number of mains or cross strings, different main skips where pattern is actually different.
Or is it just tie off locations?
I’m not very familiar with stringing vocabulary, but it’s certainly the tie-off locations, and I suspect also the locations where strings overlap. Luckily it’s always 18x20 at the correct positions :)
I think it’s due to stringers being specialized in different brands (last job was done at Babolat stringing stand).
 

Arak

Semi-Pro
Thank you all for your responses. Much appreciated! I had the feeling that I was thinking too much about it and that it wasn’t really an issue, but I wanted to make sure. Thanks again.
 

Irvin

Talk Tennis Guru
@Irvin - P1 doesn't use a standardized pattern or even a standard knot. And any stringer will bow to the player's request as they should. Most sites directives are more for cosmetics than performance, i.e. Wimbledon mandating the use of two knots, Pro or Parnell. P1 is paid because Roger Federer gets the undivided attention of @RJYU and not some other stringer.

And at that mention, I would love to hear what @RJYU has to say about this topic as changed by you.

The OP asked if stringing a Blade 98 18X20 with a different pattern mattered. Simple answer is: it does not. 2 knots versus 4 knots? If all things are equal meaning tension and string used, it does not matter. RIF
I bet if @RJYU responds he will say He strings Roger’s racket the same every time.
 
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DeathStrike

Guest
Absolutely. That’s why professional stringing teams have standardized default patterns so everyone on the team strings with the same methods. There may be slight differences in the people that use the procedures.

EDIT: Why else would anyone pay for professional stringing services like P1? Notice what @RJYU says at 1:35 in this video. If having the same person is important don’t you think the pattern would matter?

This is fascinating the guy who designed Novak's new stick, he wen't over it to it within 2 minutes of hitting with it. And his services are available for $500 per racquet - not bad for that level of expertise
 
All I know is, my BLX Blade 18x20s played and felt a lot sweeter when I strung them up as 16x20 pattern without those outer mains that are annoyingly close to the edge of the frame.
I agree the outer mains are annoyingly close to the frame, but eww. I would never even think about skipping those strings.
 
But omitting those outer mains makes the Blade feel less harsh, less boardy, and adds spin potential.
My Blade absolutely doesn't feel harsh or boardy. Also how does omitting the outer mains add spin potential? You are rarely making contact with that part of the racquet anyway.
 

travlerajm

G.O.A.T.
My Blade absolutely doesn't feel harsh or boardy. Also how does omitting the outer mains add spin potential? You are rarely making contact with that part of the racquet anyway.
A pattern that is softer on the edges will allow the stringbed to stretch deeper. I really like patterns that are dense in the middle (do that the ball doesn’t dent into the stringbed), but open at the edges. This way you get the advantage of a dense pattern (better launch angle control) combined with the advantages of an open pattern (comfort, spin, and power).
 

Rabbit

G.O.A.T.
My Blade absolutely doesn't feel harsh or boardy. Also how does omitting the outer mains add spin potential? You are rarely making contact with that part of the racquet anyway.
You know, I have to say that the Blade is the only 18 main string racket I've hit with that didn't feel boardy in the least.
 

Irvin

Talk Tennis Guru
This is fascinating the guy who designed Novak's new stick, he wen't over it to it within 2 minutes of hitting with it. And his services are available for $500 per racquet - not bad for that level of expertise
You make it sound a little different than reality. After spending 3 hours on a racket customizing it Novak hit with it and said, “Throw all my rackets away, this is my new racket.” Did you notice in the video they changed the string pattern? That means new drill patterns and new grommets. Each racket is perfectly match so there all exactly the same. And all that is done before ever stringing the racket. How much would you charge for just putting a custom drill pattern on a racket and making new grommets? Before you give out a quote Know that Novak hit with the racket for 2 minutes and knew there was an improvement. How much work do you think needed to be done to know what to do just to change the drill pattern. How much does the tooling cost just to produce the grommets. Think of how much time and money you’re out if Novak says no I don’t like it. Would you start over from square 1 knowing he could turn you down again?
 

Rabbit

G.O.A.T.
You make it sound a little different than reality. After spending 3 hours on a racket customizing it Novak hit with it and said, “Throw all my rackets away, this is my new racket.” Did you notice in the video they changed the string pattern? That means new drill patterns and new grommets. Each racket is perfectly match so there all exactly the same. And all that is done before ever stringing the racket. How much would you charge for just putting a custom drill pattern on a racket and making new grommets? Before you give out a quote Know that Novak hit with the racket for 2 minutes and knew there was an improvement. How much work do you think needed to be done to know what to do just to change the drill pattern. How much does the tooling cost just to produce the grommets. Think of how much time and money you’re out if Novak says no I don’t like it. Would you start over from square 1 knowing he could turn you down again?
Your assumption is that he spent three hours on Novak's racket isn't it? He stated in the video that he averages three hours on a customization, but that includes forming a grip on a hairpin and all that stuff. He didn't change Novak's grip did he?

The rackets weren't matched. Prokes indicated they took some weight out of the frame and changed the balance to make it more arm friendly. This could be as simple as removing the existing lead tape and applying new lead tape. True, he doesn't discuss the number of iterations he went through to get a final product, but he also doesn't say he drilled patterns. He could have not strung a cross.

With regard to grommets, if he did drill, I'm sure he would have used individual grommets or even tubing. Grommets are typically one of the more expensive components of production (I have a source on this) and I'm sure he would have deferred any changes long term to Head as they have economies of scale for this. I'm almost positive Prokes doesn't have the capability to product a grommet set in his shop in NYC.

As to the cost of the equipment, if you're going to be in that business, it's called a start up cost and I would assume the man has already recouped it many times over or just took over what he bought from Jay Schweid. In any event, I would warn you not to over complicate the process in an attempt to impress someone with "knowledge" that is really speculation on your part. I mean you've never actually strung for a pro tournament, right?
 

Rabbit

G.O.A.T.
Did you watch and listen to the video? I’m assuming what I heard Roman Prokes say @ 3:50 was the truth.
You not only need to watch it, you need to pay attention. The 3 hours was to go from hairpin to finished frame. Prokes in the discussion did nothing with Djokovic's grip, only the weight balance and number of crosses. Since he did not foam a grip, one can assume it didn't take 3 hours per frame. Your standard MO is to take everything as an absolute without qualification and without considering circumstance. It seems to wind up biting you on the posterior more often than not.
 
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