Discussion in 'Odds & Ends' started by Chadillac, Jan 1, 2018.
Ignore the two folks. Time for some peace and quiet without people trying to stir the pot
Empires have always felt superior to the peoples they subjugated. Do you think the Romans thought of themselves and the barbarians they conquered in equal terms? The concept of "race inferiority" is based on the scientific framework Darwin set, and in concepts like the survival of the fittest. Back in the times the Spaniards conquered America they thought of the natives as heathens because of their cultural practices and their barbaric customs, not because of the color of their skin. Imagine landing in a place where people stroll nude, fornicate, and engage in baby and child sacrifice.
And on what intellectual and legal framework is the caste system in India based? And why is it still alive and well after thousands of years? I thought we had established earlier the caste system is just a form of racism.
My dad(Italian) jokes about the Romans never bothered to invade UK as the Brits were too filthy and dirty
Maybe my dad is a racist then by Suresh terms
The Romans destroyed Carthage because it was a competitor, not an inferior, and race theory predates Darwin.
Not to mention the hooligans that trash hotel rooms.
You and Chad think that abusing India is somehow a winning argument when it is, quite simply, a base argumentative error.
But they destroyed many other peoples they viewed as inferior. Just like the French didn't conquer Europe because of race.
How am I abusing India? I'm pointing out the caste system is a form of racism.
Its not like us Europeans have lots of jokes about each other.
The Swedes and the Norwegians got a lot of insulting jokes and constant competition. Its fun!
If the Romans thought Jews were inferior why did they rule through their local potentates?
And this was the pattern of rule throughout the empire. Can you imagine this in mid twentieth century Europe?
Its called Varna-Ashrama-Dharma system. Caste system is just one of many ways people are put in pre judged groups there.
Norway and other Scandanavian countries have also had a systematic racial agenda of their own, of course:
The Sami have for centuries been the subject of discrimination and abuse by the dominant cultures claiming possession of their lands right unto the present day. They have never been a single community in a single region of Lapland, which until recently was considered only a cultural region.
Norway has been greatly criticized by the international community for the politics of Norwegianization of and discrimination against the aboriginal population of the country. On 8 April 2011, the UN Racial Discrimination Committee recommendations were handed over to Norway; these addressed many issues, including the educational situation for students needing bilingual education in Sami. One committee recommendation was that no language be allowed to be a basis for discrimination in the Norwegian anti-discrimination laws, and it recommended wording of Racial Discrimination Convention Article 1 contained in the Act. Further points of recommendation concerning the Sami population in Norway included the incorporation of the racial Convention through the Human Rights Act, improving the availability and quality of interpreter services, and equality of the civil Ombudsman's recommendations for action. A new present status report was to have been ready by the end of 2012.
Even in Finland, where Sami children, like all Finnish children, are entitled to day care and language instruction in their own language, the Finnish government has denied funding for these rights in most of the country, including even in Rovaniemi, the largest municipality in Finnish Lapland. Sami activists have pushed for nationwide application of these basic rights.
As in the other countries claiming sovereignty over Sami lands, Sami activists' efforts in Finland in the 20th century achieved limited government recognition of the Samis' rights as a recognized minority, but the Finnish government has clung unyieldingly to its legally enforced premise that the Sami must "prove" their land ownership, an idea incompatible with and antithetical to the traditional reindeer-herding Sami way of life. This has effectively allowed the Finnish government to take without compensation, motivated by economic gain, land occupied by the Sami for centuries.
The genetic makeup of Sami people has been extensively studied for as long as such research has been in existence. Ethnographic photography of the Sami began with the invention of the camera in the 19th century. This continued on into the 1920s and 1930s, when Sami were photographed naked and anatomically measured by scientists, with the help of the local police—sometimes at gunpoint—to collect data that would justify their own racial theories. Thus, there is a degree of distrust by some in the Sami community towards genetic research.
Examples of discriminatory actions include the Statens Institut for Rasbiologi compulsory sterilization project for Sami women, which continued until 1975, and Sami graves being plundered to provide research materials, of which their remains and artifacts from this period from across Sápmi can still be found in various state collections. In the late 19th century, colonial fascination with Arctic peoples led to human beings exhibited in human zoos. Sami people were exhibited with their traditional lavvu tents, weapons, and sleds, beside a group of reindeer at Tierpark Hagenbeck and other zoos across the globe.
You stereotype everyone, but declare yourself immune. Its really funny.
No, i was correcting his inbreeding comment.
I never said they tried to exterminate the Jews, did I? I just made a general statement, that the Romans viewed barbarians as inferior to themselves. And not necessarily due to race altogether, but probably more based on customs. War, slavery, and all that is foul about humanity dates far before Colonial Europe. And racism is obviously alive and well in this day and age outside Europe, so why concentrate so much on Europe?
And before that... Norwegian is not my forfathers language. We originally spoke similar as they do in Iceland. Thanks to Christianity and constant influence from Denmark we no longer speak Norse language. Iceland far away and has been saved from Christianity and invaders, so a lot of our old culture, like we can read from The Eddas got well kept there.
Doesnt mean we go around hating the Danes and the Swedes from all the trouble we had w them in the past.
I think the Romans got surprised w the low living standard some other places had got, and maybe therefor judged them less intelligent.
It's called concerning oneself with one's own affairs while allowing others to do so within reasonable limits.
America just announced, by the way, that it did invade Syria by stating that it never intends to leave it.
This is what I would call meddling in other people's affairs outside all reasonable limits.
I am sure your forefathers were very happy when America meddled in other people's affairs by stepping between you and Germany in WW II.
Russia won the war in Europe long before America was even a factor, but they did indeed help out in the Pacific against Japan even if they were in part responsible for that problem.
We all know that the real day of infamy was 19 February 1942. And now the Japanese are coming to help us out against the Chinese. How the world turns!
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