Curious
G.O.A.T.
Just let me enjoy this fully first!
SS is a wonderful skill to learn
SS is a wonderful skill to learn
How can you learn to SS if you dont know what it is? I mean, it was right in front of you in that video, and you can't even tell. Maybe thats why you cant learn to SS in 10 years.What? I was serious with my questions to you.
Comon, do better debating.
Anyway, are you learning SS now so that one day you can debut your amazing tennis altogether?
I'm hoping to pick up skills one at a time and in any degree. Alot of time I pick up one thing but drop another. SS is a wonderful skill to learn but sometimes the toolbox is full! haha
Just let me enjoy this fully first!
How can you learn to SS if you dont know what it is? I mean, it was right in front of you in that video, and you can't even tell. Maybe thats why you cant learn to SS in 10 years.
I suspect he knows what it is and tried many times, wasn’t happy because he couldn’t do it, then got really pissed off, smashed a few rackets before going to his keyboard to find out what other folks are doing!How can you learn to SS if you dont know what it is? I mean, it was right in front of you in that video, and you can't even tell. Maybe thats why you cant learn to SS in 10 years.
Chad, with not moving to the left after the shot and with that hop, you're dead in the water if the ball isn't played 2 steps from you.
Very nice relaxed looking bh.Half court doubles, i dont like to run in practice, was pretty centered. I dont really shuffle when hitting, only playing
I have 1h bh, so i get an extra step 3 steps from center isnt too bad.
Let's go to a real world example, a typical usta 4.0 match easily found on youtube.
Do you see a lot of SS? Do these guys look "out of shape? Asthmatic?" to you? Or, "lazy or play listlessly" ?
Sometimes it's good to get off TT and see the real world. It's easy to talk, type tennis as opposed to playing and espouse all sorts of hypothesis, guessing. Eg. easiest in the world, lower level people are lazy, and all that bs.
That's practically the same thing. I already stated that many MANY (4.0s) ppl don't do it, won't do it and they still be able to play their level.
They don't or won't do it because it's not worth it for them.
When I'm playing like crap (ie crapper than usual), it's usually due to poor footwork. Get your feet right and things usually go okay. Slow with your feet and you're in for a bad day.
First step to good footwork is a simple split step.
People asked experienced players if we think it's important and we unanimously said yes. Why not actually do it for a few months before telling us we are wrong?
Anyway, I'm off to play tennis with my dodgy knees and hips, sore back and bad eyesight. I'll still split step, because I'm not good enough to be late (er) on everything and still make a decent shot.
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hehe had you learned how to do proper SS, you could be 4.5 now. Still blaming talent and stuff????¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Maybe.
But I still can play well at 4.0 without SS. Isn't that my point? LOL.
Then why didn't those people already learn a more fluid serve motion if it's not a waste of their time?A lot of people would be content with a waiter's tray serve, doesn't mean it's a waste of time to learn a more fluid serve motion.
Well, you learn proper SS and become 4.5 and let me know.hehe had you learned how to do proper SS, you could be 4.5 now. Still blaming talent and stuff????
This is exactly the reason i think talent is overrated
Such great logical thinking and debate skill from you though. I have to admit.Well, you learn proper SS and become 4.5 and let me know.
Is that not your argument, your plan? SS is easy, 4.5 is doable for you.
(Man, you sooo fit in here with your thinking... everyone can serve 100 mph, 4.5 is just achievable in matter of time. LOL)
I'm ok with 4.0 with whatever stuff I already have.
Of course it's completely logical.Such great logical thinking and debate skill from you though. I have to admit.
Claiming SS is not necessary for 4.0 and lower rec players, yet not knowing what SS is , even when its right under your nose.
Can't beat that debate skill
Mate, I have a suggestion: have a buddy of yours and just practice for a week. Play points starting with hand fed balls but don’t keep track of score. Just do this and make sure that you split step on every ball. Don’t worry about how good the timing is. Focus on only two things, start the hop when your opponent starts his forward swing and every time say “S” audible at least to yourself. And please report back.@ptuanminh , @Curious and all,
Isn't the evolution or development of our debate interesting? I guess I can't convey to you how challenging SS is, given its rarity, mediocrity found in 4.0, and you guys can't convince me otherwise either.
So, THE BOTTOM LINE here is, YOU GUYS actually try to learn and do it, and prove me wrong. It's putting money where your mouth is. Real world proof, eh?
Here's a video of me hitting around 5 months ago. Maybe you tell me if i did any SS in there.@ptuanminh , @Curious and all,
Isn't the evolution or development of our debate interesting? I guess I can't convey to you how challenging SS is, given its rarity, mediocrity found in 4.0, and you guys can't convince me otherwise either.
So, THE BOTTOM LINE here is, YOU GUYS actually try to learn and do it, and prove me wrong. It's putting money where your mouth is. Real world proof, eh?
Nice and simple. Start the hop with the forward swing of the opponent.Here's a video of me hitting around 5 months ago. Maybe you tell me if i did any SS in there.
OK, you're halfway there with the premise.Here's a video of me hitting around 5 months ago. Maybe you tell me if i did any SS in there.
, yeah rite. I told you. its not that hard. I was self taught and everything.OK, you're halfway there with the premise.
You still need to show you compete in 4.0 matches with that SS stuff.
So, no?, yeah rite. I told you. its not that hard. I was self taught and everything.
oh boy, it was a game of 21 (if you don't know what it is, just ask, i will explain). its not a coach feeding ball. we were playing points.So, no?
Once again, you unwitting prove my point which is it's damn hard to do it where it counts.
Didn't you laugh when people hit a couple nice FH stroke and claim they are high level? Ripping hard shots against a coach's feed or ball machine and believe they're there? Slow swing a few serves in the living room and think they got a great serve (*cough* Curious *cough*) You're just another variation of that, buddy. LOL
Ok I give up. You’re a very resistant case requiring specialist treatment. I will have to refer you to Jolly and step down.So, no?
Once again, you unwitting prove my point which is it's damn hard to do it where it counts.
Didn't you laugh when people hit a couple nice FH stroke and claim they are high level? Ripping hard shots against a coach's feed or ball machine and believe they're there? Slow swing a few serves in the living room and think they got a great serve (*cough* Curious *cough*) You're just another variation of that, buddy. LOL
No, I won't. You don't know me, you're just guessing.oh boy, it was a game of 21 (if you don't know what it is, just ask, i will explain). its not a coach feeding ball. we were playing points.
anyway, USTA season is over so i am not making videos. even if i do, you probably ask me to show proof that my opponent is 4.0. so demanding....
I have done my part. I showed you i do proper SS. How about you back up your claim of being 4.0, not doing SS and still do fine?No, I won't. You don't know me, you're just guessing.
I am very reasonable and logical. If you say you're competing well in 4.0 moving like that, say it. Better yet, show it.
Everything else I said about people, like they do a few swings outside a match and believe they're there, XYZ level, it's littered around here.
Because they don't know better and have convinced themselves they are smart to not do so when quite likely they are just lazy. I mean, I am not talking about players starting out with tennis late in life, don't push your body to where it cannot go but equally there are twenty or thirty somethings too who approach tennis with a negative or should I say anti growth mindset.Then why didn't those people already learn a more fluid serve motion if it's not a waste of their time?
You haven't done craps. How are u different from those claiming to have a great serve or 4.5 level and never complete in a real match?I have done my part. I showed you i do proper SS. How about you back up your claim of being 4.0, not doing SS and still do fine?
I doubt if there's anyone out there , not doing SS and can play a decent game at 4.0. a few games will be fine, no need for a whole match.
Is that also what 5.0 players said to YOU?Because they don't know better and have convinced themselves they are smart to not do so when quite likely they are just lazy. I mean, I am not talking about players starting out with tennis late in life, don't push your body to where it cannot go but equally there are twenty or thirty somethings too who approach tennis with a negative or should I say anti growth mindset.
@user92626 Just have active feet like the video you showed . You should be fine. Maybe as you keep doing it you can one day make it more efficient by trying to time your hop with your opponent hitting. Don’t fret it. If you just have active feet you will be fine.
I don't know why you're desperately changing yardsticks now. Never said anything about 5.0s. IMO deciding what you want to learn in tennis based on some NTRP target is a defeatist idea to begin with. Look at the video I posted above. Can you get that kind of pace and bounce on serves with bad technique? You don't just tap the ball to hit a forehand, right? So why would you think a fluid motion is somehow bad when it comes to the serve?Is that also what 5.0 players said to YOU?
Is it ok?
Disagree with you. I have active feet. Starting tennis late in life I tried to understand split step as defined in many of the posts here and on videos. I did it so I could be a bit more efficient. It just ended up making my game worse. I play a guy who is a solid rec player. I lose to him, but it’s not because I have any issues getting to most balls.If someone has a hard time with the split step, they'll have an even harder time with active feet, IMO.
For one thing, having active feet [ie bouncing around in between your contact and your opponent's contact] is tiring; it takes way more energy than split stepping.
I recognize its benefit, though, so I try to do it; I don't worry about whether anyone else at my level is doing it and that doesn't determine whether I should do it.
OK, you're halfway there with the premise.
You still need to show you compete in 4.0 matches with that SS stuff.
I don't know why you're desperately changing yardsticks now. Never said anything about 5.0s. IMO deciding what you want to learn in tennis based on some NTRP target is a defeatist idea to begin with. Look at the video I posted above. Can you get that kind of pace and bounce on serves with bad technique? You don't just tap the ball to hit a forehand, right? So why would you think a fluid motion is somehow bad when it comes to the serve?
How am I supposed to know what they think of me? Do I have a CCTV planted in their brain or something? In my experience, most high level players have only encouraged me to keep at it and if they believe something else in private, I wouldn't know about it.What desperately changing yardsticks?
Well, basically you charged lower level players as "lazy" "...there are twenty or thirty somethings too who approach tennis with a negative or should I say anti growth mindset. "
So I was wondering how you think if players higher level than you thought that about you (lazy, negative and anti growth) cuz you can't get to their level? Would that be true about you?
You posted one video of 4.0s playing asking people to point to split steps in it and when we said they are using split steps, you now resort to calling us illogical or whatever else suits your agenda. Why don't you just admit you don't know what a split step is and perhaps may be already using split steps yourself?@Chadalina
You don't get it. My meanings for these guys.
It's not so much about these guys, ptuamning and curious. They can do and claim whatever they want which most of time are ridiculous and illogical.
What matters is I do see a lot of 4.0s that don't do the kind of SS that I refer to, and I have shown a couple of example. Mediocre and inconsistent.
I have a different standard than these guys. It's higher. Take for instance, ptuamminh said the guys in the clip SS "everytime" (his word). Well, it's either he's blind or pretty low standard, mediocre with the form, or illogical, because I have pointed out instances where the guys didn't do SS. So that's not "everytime" right?
Well, debate gonna drag on if I continue to debate with illogical and poor understanding people who don't know what SS is, (they think SS is "just to keep active feet, that's all" (quoted).) Sad!
Let me show you how full of cr*p you are.@Chadalina
What matters is I do see a lot of 4.0s that don't do the kind of SS that I refer to, and I have shown a couple of example. Mediocre and inconsistent.
I have a different standard than these guys. It's higher. Take for instance, ptuamminh said the guys in the clip SS "everytime" (his word). Well, it's either he's blind or pretty low standard, mediocre with the form, or illogical, because I have pointed out instances where the guys didn't do SS. So that's not "everytime" right?
Well, debate gonna drag on if I continue to debate with illogical and poor understanding people who don't know what SS is, (they think SS is "just to keep active feet, that's all" (quoted).) Sad!
This is what i said. Quote it right, "his word". Stop making a fool out of yourself.I don't know whats your definition of split step. I only watched a few points, but these 2 guys SS in every point i watched.
Thank you for complimenting on my calf . It was not hard work or anything, just born with it.His footwork is very good imo. Look at his calf's.
That high bh he is hitting isnt easy, I like the compact swing.
Alot of 4.0 dont hit top that high, i think he would do better vs lower balls (below shoulder). Not say he did bad in anyway though.
The 1h slice up the line (a 2h being able to break off the 2nd hand) looked good.
I dont think he would have problems winning at 4.0 unless he has a really bad serve
My take. Split step is the most efficient. If you can’t get the timing correct (I struggled with this) at least have active feet or stand on your toes.
@user92626 Arguing whether someone actually did a split step or not is a waste of time given that all of us agree that being slightly off the ground at the moment of impact gives you the best chance to get to any ball.
Now whether that is needed or not needed for lower level rec play is IMO irrelevant. For lower level rec play you can serve dink serves and win too. However folks who are looking to learn and improve don’t do that.
And you can go ahead and keep believing that, closing your eyes to listen to your opponent's breath when they make contact with the ball is a good idea.@ptuanminh @Dolgopolov85
It's all good. This is a good reminder for me to remember where most people's intelligence is, where their level stands. I know better to argue with you guys. LOL.
Go ahead and keep believing "The whole point of SS is to keep your feet active to be ready for the incoming shot. And i think the guy does that well. " Ptuanminh
No wonder your argument is ridiculous. "Knowledge" is rotten from the root. Haha..
I wonder what coaches and higher level players think about how important it is for players below 4.0 to learn and do split stepping?
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Just wanted to hear what you think anyway. We’re not a committee writing tennis rules.Personally, I don't really know. I *think* it's important because movement, generally, is so important. Maybe with better footwork that 4.0 would be a 4.5. But, again, I could be wrong - I don't really know. I think it's very difficult - but not impossible - to teach footwork. There's a guy in my neighborhood who plays tennis a couple of times a year, has no tennis training, and split steps like he's been doing it his whole life. Then there are other folks who have been playing tennis forever and they don't/can't do it at all. So, I just don't know.
Sensible input. No surprise to me cuz its the same as my observation! Even down to the level. I mean, like you, I start to see real form footwork at 4.5.Personally, I don't really know. I *think* it's important because movement, generally, is so important. Maybe with better footwork that 4.0 would be a 4.5. But, again, I could be wrong - I don't really know. I think it's very difficult - but not impossible - to teach footwork. There's a guy in my neighborhood who plays tennis a couple of times a year, has no tennis training, and split steps like he's been doing it his whole life. Then there are other folks who have been playing tennis forever and they don't/can't do it at all. So, I just don't know.