do you guys think if it wasn't kuerten , could fed have won the 04 RG ?

skypadq

New User
FIRST , i am really huge fed fan
As far as I'm concerned, Federer is a very unlucky player.
If it wasn't for Cuerten, fed would have won the 04 French Open.

if fed past 3rd round , round of 16 Opponent is lopez , fed is never lost feliciano
and QF Opponent is daivd nalbandian , It's a little tricky.
but fed has win 04 ao QF over david nalbandian

then , sf and final opponent is gaudio and coria
Federer won both of the 2004 Hamburg Masters.
I'm sure Federer should have done it right here if he wanted to win a double career Grand Slam.
 

ollinger

G.O.A.T.
I'm sure Federer should have done it right here if he wanted to win a double career Grand Slam.
...…...and with 2 slam titles in his career at the time, who would doubt that Federer at RG in 2004 was thinking about that double career Grand Slam
 

Martin J

Rookie
Some people were carried away by his masterclass in Hamburg that year, where he defeated the best clay court players of 2004. But the conditions at the FO are quite different, most notably the bounce and the fact that the surface takes the spin better. There was actually an interview where Fed admitted he had a hard time dealing with Guga's topspin and his game wasn't particularly efficient on the clay back then (compared to the later years). Let's not forget that his potential opponent in QF, Nalbandian, had him on the ropes at Roland Garros, two years later, when Fed was a much better player on clay and there were also other obstacles in the draw (Coria, Gaudio, etc).
I don't think he had what it takes to win the whole thing.
 

KINGROGER

G.O.A.T.
There’s no doubt Fed has been unluckiest out of big 3.

He could’ve won this without running into Kuerten yea. His big FH ball bashing game could’ve done the job.
 

BGod

Legend
No dice. Coria & Gaudio are punching bags but only in hindsight. At that time, for that tournament, both were substantially above Federer on clay. And I'm not even touching Nalbandian.

No, less than 1% chance.
 

Meles

Bionic Poster
FIRST , i am really huge fed fan
As far as I'm concerned, Federer is a very unlucky player.
If it wasn't for Cuerten, fed would have won the 04 French Open.

if fed past 3rd round , round of 16 Opponent is lopez , fed is never lost feliciano
and QF Opponent is daivd nalbandian , It's a little tricky.
but fed has win 04 ao QF over david nalbandian

then , sf and final opponent is gaudio and coria
Federer won both of the 2004 Hamburg Masters.
I'm sure Federer should have done it right here if he wanted to win a double career Grand Slam.
Based on his clay court stats, no. Peak Fed on clay wins RG at least until 2006.

Clay Fed's weakest surface by far early on despite Hamburg successes. Its rather amazing that after that the case can be made that he is the 4th best clay court player behind Nadal, Borg, and then Djoko well back in 3rd with Fed right on his heels.

Frankly Poly strings once the entire tennis field had them in use by 2005 changed clay completely and this clouds all comparisons with previous eras. Now power rules the roost on clay.
 

ChrisRF

Hall of Fame
No dice. Coria & Gaudio are punching bags but only in hindsight. At that time, for that tournament, both were substantially above Federer on clay. And I'm not even touching Nalbandian.

No, less than 1% chance.
I agree about Nalbandian who really was his nemesis back then. But still he wasn’t unbeatable as the past Australian Open match showed. He was about to figure him out. And their rivalry was quite independent of surfaces.

But Gaudio and Coria? I agree that Coria was great on clay, as the matches against Nadal in 2005 show. But I think Federer was the worse matchup for him, and THIS was shown by Federer’s easy wins against him, even on clay. Gaudio would have no chance whatsoever against Federer.
 

trownjeff

New User
It is possible but somehow I doubt it. He has to get past 3 matches that are probably close to 50/50 for him at that point- Nalbandian quarters, Coria semis, Gaudio final. I think he loses in 1 of those matches.
 

augustobt

Legend
I don’t think so, any of Nalby, Gaudio, Coria could have defeated him that year. Kuerten wasn’t even at his best.
I'll strongly disagree.

Guga wasn't at his best, I know, but he was a clutch player that got extra motivated against top players - that's something only Wawrinka had in the past years until that career-destroying match against Murray.

That match Kuerten played against Federer was clearly his swan song. He played a solid aggressive match, until Wawrinka 2015 that was one of the very few times I remember seeing Federer being so outplayed by anyone. But you're right with Nalbandian being a threat for him... back in 2004 any match between those 2 would be a 50/50. However, Federer would've had the extra confidence as he had won their last encounter in Australia prior that year. But I definitely think he would win in four against Gaudio or Coria.

Anyway, that FO was definitely an interesting tournament.
 

UnderratedSlam

Hall of Fame
FIRST , i am really huge fed fan
As far as I'm concerned, Federer is a very unlucky player.
If it wasn't for Cuerten, fed would have won the 04 French Open.

if fed past 3rd round , round of 16 Opponent is lopez , fed is never lost feliciano
and QF Opponent is daivd nalbandian , It's a little tricky.
but fed has win 04 ao QF over david nalbandian

then , sf and final opponent is gaudio and coria
Federer won both of the 2004 Hamburg Masters.
I'm sure Federer should have done it right here if he wanted to win a double career Grand Slam.
Yes, he would have won FO in 2004. Who'd beat him, Gaudio, Coria, Nalbandian?

No. It wasn't bad luck though, it was Kuerten having a great game, a player who could have won more slams than the 3 had he not had injuries.
 
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