Do you know which player first started not to care...

beard

Professional
...about Masters?

Nowadays forum is full with threads in which posters claim Novak doesn't care about masters anymore.
And there few sarcastic threads as the latest one where even Lajovic doesn't care :)

Funny stuff :sneaky:

But, do you remember which player first started not to care, at least his fans stated such thing?
The answer is not that hard.... think for a while.... he stopped caring for masters so long time ago that even he is great player he doesn't have record for most masters....little help, he won one this year... Yes, Federer...

Yes, Federer fans stated that he don't care for masters loooong time ago, and now making jokes about Novak fans doing exactly same thing. You know that kind of work, right? :unsure:

Just a quick forum search, and I got plenty results:
hmm. yeah, so djokovic has been winning against federer at the masters events.
when federer actually loses at a grand slam to djokovic, then i'll be willing to talk.

for me, i think federer doesn't care that much about masters events. he continues to peak at the slams, and still only nadal can beat him there, so i don't know why people make a big deal about him losing in a 2/3 match, which is where upsets are more likely for him anyway *since he seems to go on mental walkabouts all the time and doesn't get back until he loses the match*
See that this post is from 2009...Fed fans 10 years ago had this story...
First bold sentence is not about topic, but very funny from today's perspective :laughing:
first and foremost I'm a Federer fan and I have to call a spade a spade. His game has taken a slight dip but his confidence is at an all time low while ranked number 1. He doesn't look like he wants to be out there. It seems like even Masters Series events aren't important for him to care anymore and that's usually the first sign of getting disillusioned with the sport and soon enough the ranking will follow.

Obviously it IS about the slams but you can't just show up 4 times a year and play amazing tennis and beat all comers. This isn't the WTA with the Sisters. You need to keep your game finely tuned and confidence usually follows good form during the season. Right now, Roger seems to have lost alot of confidence from losing Wimbledon. It shows. But if he says that he only cares about the Olympics and the US Open he better think harder because to do well at those events you need some good form or better confidence leading up to important events like those. Right now he has neither, so how as a fan do I expect him to prove otherwise?
Masters don't mean **** to Federer and this is evident even to his most ardent fans.
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Federer doesn't care about masters,people,you have to understand that,at least not as much as GS's.
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Federer is all about the slams. He assesses his year by how he does in Slams,not masters. If Federer would have met any other player than Nadal in RG and WB,mono or no mono,he would have creamed them and won 3 GS that year. I cannot buy mono from Fed in the later half of 2008 when his level goes down a lot in the weaker tournaments yet he shows up at the same level in the stronger tournaments,at least where the physical side is concerned.
Last sentence is interesting, hahah
He won two last year.

I get tired of these "Federer doesn't care about non-slams" thing.
As you see, 9 years ago forum was tired about "Federer doesn't care" stuff.

Now, when same story is about Novak doesn't care about non-slams, Fed fans are full of sarcasm and laughing. Double standards again.

And for the end, its funny to see old forum stuff, read just few posts while searching, pure gold everywhere ....
 

True Fanerer

G.O.A.T.
It goes back further than Federer. Really don't see the point of stirring this up again until we can look back on this season. It's been beat to death. Myself included in that.
 
Its been a problem for quite a while, which is why the rankings on both tours basically require certain tournaments counting towards the ranking and, if you don't play them, you are forced to have a zero on your ranking for them. Not that that really does a whole lot of good but players only caring about certain tournaments is not exactly a new thing
 

ChrisRF

Hall of Fame
Federer indeed had many years with strange losses at Masters events. That was from around 2008-2013 I would say.

In the years of total dominance he wanted to win any tournament he entered. He beat the top players again and again, no matter where and how often they challenged him (apart from Nadal on clay).

Then when it became harder starting in 2008 I think he became a bit lazy to prepare for smaller tournaments and had his focus on the Slams.

After 2012 there was a time when it was almost impossible for him to win a Slam, and then he started to like smaller successes again I suggest. A Cincinnati or Halle win became a really joyful moment for once.

Therefore since 2014 he had only a few bad losses (excluding the injury season 2016), so we tended to forget the days of Fish, Montanes, Gulbis, Ramos losses etc. So as strange as it sounds, losses in which we saw a sign of decline in 2018 were quite normal 5-10 years ago.
 

Jaitock1991

Hall of Fame
From what I've read Pete was pretty much the first guy to systematically build his career around peaking for the big ones, even though the tour was quite different back then(did masters even exist?). But I don't know. Maybe it goes back even further.
 
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Deleted member 77403

Guest
...about Masters?

Nowadays forum is full with threads in which posters claim Novak doesn't care about masters anymore.
And there few sarcastic threads as the latest one where even Lajovic doesn't care :)

Funny stuff :sneaky:

But, do you remember which player first started not to care, at least his fans stated such thing?
The answer is not that hard.... think for a while.... he stopped caring for masters so long time ago that even he is great player he doesn't have record for most masters....little help, he won one this year... Yes, Federer...

Yes, Federer fans stated that he don't care for masters loooong time ago, and now making jokes about Novak fans doing exactly same thing. You know that kind of work, right? :unsure:

Just a quick forum search, and I got plenty results:

See that this post is from 2009...Fed fans 10 years ago had this story...
First bold sentence is not about topic, but very funny from today's perspective :laughing:


Last sentence is interesting, hahah

As you see, 9 years ago forum was tired about "Federer doesn't care" stuff.

Now, when same story is about Novak doesn't care about non-slams, Fed fans are full of sarcasm and laughing. Double standards again.

And for the end, its funny to see old forum stuff, read just few posts while searching, pure gold everywhere ....
Incorrect. Pete Sampras wrote the book on this and if you consider he was 14-4 in slam finals, and went through a period from Wimbledon 1993 to Wimbledon 2000 with slam final win loss ratio of 12 - 1, who is anyone to question his methods? He paved the way...not everything revolves around Fed.
 

NBP

Hall of Fame
Federer indeed had many years with strange losses at Masters events. That was from around 2008-2013 I would say.

In the years of total dominance he wanted to win any tournament he entered. He beat the top players again and again, no matter where and how often they challenged him (apart from Nadal on clay).

Then when it became harder starting in 2008 I think he became a bit lazy to prepare for smaller tournaments and had his focus on the Slams.

After 2012 there was a time when it was almost impossible for him to win a Slam, and then he started to like smaller successes again I suggest. A Cincinnati or Halle win became a really joyful moment for once.

Therefore since 2014 he had only a few bad losses (excluding the injury season 2016), so we tended to forget the days of Fish, Montanes, Gulbis, Ramos losses etc. So as strange as it sounds, losses in which we saw a sign of decline in 2018 were quite normal 5-10 years ago.
Exactly. When he was chasing #14 and #15, he genuinely didn't care about Masters. There was a time I think, 08-10, his titles went US Open, Madrid, RG, Wimbledon, Cincinnati, Australian Open. 4 of his last 6 titles were slams. Maybe that's what Djokovic is doing now. But I don't see how Djokovic can go from losing early in every tournament to winning the French. Madrid and Rome are big for him, whether his fans want to believe it or not.
 

beard

Professional
Yes, I had to formulate question differently: Who from big 3.... ;)
But never mind, I stated what I meant to...
 

Fedforever

Hall of Fame
99.99999% of the world's population don't care which players don't care about winning Masters titles.

Federer, Djokovic and Nadal all care about winning Masters titles, just not as much as they care about winning Grand Slams. Their fans likewise.
 

TripleATeam

Legend
No need to stir something up. Novak's been good at Masters but inconsistent up until this IW. At this point, it's what we call a slump. Check back at year's end. If he's won less than 3 Masters and 2 or more slams, then maybe we can say he's begun to not care about Masters.
 

Sabratha

Talk Tennis Guru
...about Masters?

Nowadays forum is full with threads in which posters claim Novak doesn't care about masters anymore.
And there few sarcastic threads as the latest one where even Lajovic doesn't care :)

Funny stuff :sneaky:

But, do you remember which player first started not to care, at least his fans stated such thing?
The answer is not that hard.... think for a while.... he stopped caring for masters so long time ago that even he is great player he doesn't have record for most masters....little help, he won one this year... Yes, Federer...

Yes, Federer fans stated that he don't care for masters loooong time ago, and now making jokes about Novak fans doing exactly same thing. You know that kind of work, right? :unsure:

Just a quick forum search, and I got plenty results:

See that this post is from 2009...Fed fans 10 years ago had this story...
First bold sentence is not about topic, but very funny from today's perspective :laughing:


Last sentence is interesting, hahah

As you see, 9 years ago forum was tired about "Federer doesn't care" stuff.

Now, when same story is about Novak doesn't care about non-slams, Fed fans are full of sarcasm and laughing. Double standards again.

And for the end, its funny to see old forum stuff, read just few posts while searching, pure gold everywhere ....
Why don't we talk about the weak era of 2014-2019 Novak's taken advantage of?
 

JackGates

Hall of Fame
Except that for Federer it was actually true but Djokovic and Nadal are just saying that because they can't win. And it's not me being biased why I'm saying this, it's complete truth.
 

JackGates

Hall of Fame
Why don't we talk about the weak era of 2014-2019 Novak's taken advantage of?
Let's see: old Fed, Nadal, Murray, Wawrinka, Cilic
versus: Hewitt, Safin, baby Rafa and Nole, Roddick, old Agassi

Fed had an extra great with old Agassi, but that evens itself out with Wawrinka and Murray being a bit better than Hewitt and Safin and old Fed being a bit better than old Agassi.

I don't see much difference there.
 

Firstservingman

Talk Tennis Guru
Fed didn't prioritise them during his prime but I don't think "not care" is the right term. If he didn't care he would have phoned it in even more than he did
 

BHud

Hall of Fame
It goes way back before Pete...nobody played the AO back in the Borg/Mac/Connors days, so slam count wasn't really a thing that they built their careers around.
 

TearTheRoofOff

Hall of Fame
Then why fed fans cry about not having a M-1000 on grass?
Because that would generally be beneficial to the surface distribution of tennis kudos and further promote grass court tennis in such a way I'm sure even many non Fed fans would champion. But to further poke my nose in and respond as combatively as the recipient was goaded to: Because Fed would have had a great opportunity to win it multiple times from 2003 to 2007 while he (supposedly) 'cared'.
 

Tennis_Hands

Talk Tennis Guru
My point was that Lendl just cared for the things he cared, not for some conjured up "target" just because the modern ATP/ITF marketing can't go without such "achievements". In that regard he didn't particularly care about amassing as many Majors as possible, so the statement that he cared about the Majors should be put in some context to be true. Same for the equivalent of the Masters.

:cool:
 

Luka888

Hall of Fame
It is Sampras. There is a point in your career where you achieve almost everything and you try to focus on what is really important. Majors. No matter how you look at it, you can't be everywhere ... Fed too. Djokovic and Rafa now ... I don't blame them :). I mean we are talking about the best players in the Open Era. Yes, they are that special.

When you get to that super elite category you do need to prioritize what's important and what is not. :happydevil:. Again, I'm not saying masters are not important. They are but, but ... I know that most guys here wonder about RG when it comes to the Big 3.
 

Tennis_Hands

Talk Tennis Guru
It is Sampras. There is a point in your career where you achieve almost everything and you try to focus on what is really important. Majors. No matter how you look at it, you can't be everywhere ... Fed too. Djokovic and Rafa now ... I don't blame them :). I mean we are talking about the best players in the Open Era. Yes, they are that special.

When you get to that super elite category you do need to prioritize what's important and what is not. :happydevil:. Again, I'm not saying masters are not important. They are but, but ... I know that most guys here wonder about RG when it comes to the Big 3.
Did Lendl prioritise the Majors?

:cool:
 

Cup8489

G.O.A.T.
...about Masters?

Nowadays forum is full with threads in which posters claim Novak doesn't care about masters anymore.
And there few sarcastic threads as the latest one where even Lajovic doesn't care :)

Funny stuff :sneaky:

But, do you remember which player first started not to care, at least his fans stated such thing?
The answer is not that hard.... think for a while.... he stopped caring for masters so long time ago that even he is great player he doesn't have record for most masters....little help, he won one this year... Yes, Federer...

Yes, Federer fans stated that he don't care for masters loooong time ago, and now making jokes about Novak fans doing exactly same thing. You know that kind of work, right? :unsure:

Just a quick forum search, and I got plenty results:

See that this post is from 2009...Fed fans 10 years ago had this story...
First bold sentence is not about topic, but very funny from today's perspective :laughing:


Last sentence is interesting, hahah

As you see, 9 years ago forum was tired about "Federer doesn't care" stuff.

Now, when same story is about Novak doesn't care about non-slams, Fed fans are full of sarcasm and laughing. Double standards again.

And for the end, its funny to see old forum stuff, read just few posts while searching, pure gold everywhere ....
Don't quote me and then misrepresent what I was saying, you sasquatch.
 
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