Do you think each member of the Big 3 believes they're the GOAT?

#1
Forget anything they've said publicaly on the subject. What do you think they would say unfiltered and off the record? I think each would say they're the greatest simply because they've each accomplished things no one else has and to reach the heights they have you must have all the self-confidence in the world.
 

Tennis_Hands

Talk Tennis Guru
#4
They will tell you that they believe that they can beat anyone when they are at their best, which doesn't factor in what someone like them thinks.

They are not extremely smart, you know.

:cool:
 

lud

Hall of Fame
#6
Federer: I have 20 slams and most weeks at No.1. I'm GOAT.

Nadal: I have leading h2h at slams and only I have won 3 slams at different surface in one year. I'm GOAT.

Djokovic: I have leading overall h2h and all masters + NCYGS. I'm GOAT.
 
#10
I think that they would each like to end up with as many majors as possible, and that they're somewhat motivated by the other two greats' achievements. Beyond that, I don't think they're nearly as obsessed as many here with mythical GOAThood.
 

Lew II

Hall of Fame
#14
Federer knows he is the most popular.

Djokovic knows he is the best player.

Nadal neither, IMO is the one who needs the Slam record the most.
 
#17
Nadal knows he is the best on clay-but he will look at those 17 slams & see that 11 of them came on one surface at one event, just the one Aussie & just the two on grass-the beating he got in the AO Final made it clear he isn't in Novak's league. Fed has the numbers-but he knows he isn;t winning any more slams & that his peak cannot touch Novak's peak, it is just a matter of time until both Nadal & Novak go past him & he knows it. Nadal will likely end up with 22 slams, Novak 25 plus. Novak has them both in head to heads-Novak is the GOAT.
 
#19
They definitely believe that they can beat anyone on a tennis court but none of them is stupid enough to think that they are THE greatest player of all time.
I don't think that the big3 look at slems as the only criteria for GOATNESS.
I think that each of them think that they are in the top 5 GOATS maybe with Laver, Borg and the other 2 of the big3. Maybe Fed thinks that Sampras is still in the conversation for all the Wimbledons and the dominance.
 
#24
My perception would be:

Fed thinks and knows he currently is, does everything to stay it, and does act like he is. Even if he won't say it. Not exactly the most humble about this in my opinion.

Rafa thinks and knows he's strongest, does not seem to care as much as the other two about who's greater, looks like he just wants to win as much as possible as long as his health allows him. Talked about his many injuries when caught in comparison discussions, if I remember correctly, so to be taken with caution.

Nole knows he should be the best, knows he isn't the greatest yet, wants to be the greatest, and is now actively trying to achieve more so he does become the indisputable greatest. Not really humble, but certainly honest about it.
 
#26
I think the OP doesn't understand the mind of a professional athlete playing individual sports. All three guys are 110% convinced that they are the best and each of them has the reasoning behind it, whatever it may be. No one gets this far and does what they did without firmly believing they are the chosen ones.

Someone mentioned Bill Gates on speed dial and stuff like that. Believe you me, every one of those guys is very well connected in all areas such as business, celebrities & royalty and whatever you can think of.
 
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#27
How is it “likely” that a 33 year old will win 5 more slams and a 32 year old will win at least 10 more slams? It’s lunacy, and both will be those ages by the time RG rolls around.
Was it likely Fed was going to win 3 slams in 2017/2018 aged 35 & 36 playing at a level below what the other two are? In Novak's case several levels below. There is nobody else other than Cilic who really stands any chance of winning one-the next gen aren't anywhere near ready yet. Murray is done, Fed is done, Stan looks to be done as well. Realistically there are only three people capable of winning slams for the forseeable future-there are certainly only two capable of winning RG. Novak was nowhere a year ago-he has won the last three slams in a row to go from 12 to 15-he has a very good shot at winning all four slams this year & finishing off the year on 18, AO next year makes 19-this is not beyond any realm of possibility at the level he is playing & the lack of guys biting his & Nadal's heels.
 
#28
Was it likely Fed was going to win 3 slams in 2017/2018 aged 35 & 36 playing at a level below what the other two are? In Novak's case several levels below. There is nobody else other than Cilic who really stands any chance of winning one-the next gen aren't anywhere near ready yet. Murray is done, Fed is done, Stan looks to be done as well. Realistically there are only three people capable of winning slams for the forseeable future-there are certainly only two capable of winning RG. Novak was nowhere a year ago-he has won the last three slams in a row to go from 12 to 15-he has a very good shot at winning all four slams this year & finishing off the year on 18, AO next year makes 19-this is not beyond any realm of possibility at the level he is playing & the lack of guys biting his & Nadal's heels.
I put almost nothing beyond the reach of The Big 3, but you make it seem as if winning a slam is almost trivial. I'd be cool with your scenario, as Rafa and Novak are my co-favorites. But a combined 15 more majors? If they divided every single major, that takes us to the end of 2022. If they take half between them (not a given) we're now after Wimbledon 2026.
 
#29
I put almost nothing beyond the reach of The Big 3, but you make it seem as if winning a slam is almost trivial. I'd be cool with your scenario, as Rafa and Novak are my co-favorites. But a combined 15 more majors? If they divided every single major, that takes us to the end of 2022. If they take half between them (not a given) we're now after Wimbledon 2026.
In many ways it is-Novak's only test winning Wimbledon 2018 was against Nadal-he coasted at probably 70% the rest of the tournament & even against Nadal it was obvious he was holding back to preserve energy for the final, while Nadal was going all out.

Who else has won a slam or multiple this decade aside from the big 3? Murray who is now done. Stan who is likely done. Cilic has one-who else is there?
 
#31
In many ways it is-Novak's only test winning Wimbledon 2018 was against Nadal-he coasted at probably 70% the rest of the tournament & even against Nadal it was obvious he was holding back to preserve energy for the final, while Nadal was going all out.

Who else has won a slam or multiple this decade aside from the big 3? Murray who is now done. Stan who is likely done. Cilic has one-who else is there?
I think that there's a lot of talent in the so-called next gen, though not a future Roger/Rafa/Novak in the bunch. I realize that the Cilic-Dimi-Raonic-Nish group was a bust, but at some point Zverev will figure out B of 5s, and so will several others, and Rafa and Novak can't hold their present level indefinitely. Can they?
 
#32
I think that there's a lot of talent in the so-called next gen, though not a future Roger/Rafa/Novak in the bunch. I realize that the Cilic-Dimi-Raonic-Nish group was a bust, but at some point Zverev will figure out B of 5s, and so will several others, and Rafa and Novak can't hold their present level indefinitely. Can they?
Maybe, but it likely isn't going to happen for the next 3-5 years. Seeing how well Fed has played at 35/36 I see no reason why the other two who are both better athletes will not dominate for the next few years. Nadal wiped the floor with Tsipitas & Tiafoe at AO & then he got the same treatment from Novak-they have different gears the others don't, are arguably the two best returners ever & they have the huge advantage of experience, knowing all the tricks/how to use every cm of the court etc.
 
#34
It would be cute to see each of them say the same thing about one of the others. :) And since I think they all have a good sense of humor, they'd probably do it for a lark. ;)
Some GOAT tell-all stuff might be a good time. :giggle:

Suspect all of the endorsements put their own lil' kibosh on it.

Back in the day, I believe Pat Riley actually trademarked "threepeat" and collected $$$ at every instance of its use. Who's getting paid on the "GOAT" stuff? Johnny Mac? LL Cool J?
 
#35
I think the OP doesn't understand the mind of a professional athlete playing individual sports. All three guys are 110% convinced that they are the best and each of them has the reasoning behind it, whatever it may be. No one gets this far and does what they did without firmly believing they are the chosen ones.

Someone mentioned Bill Gates on speed dial and stuff like that. Believe you me, every one of those guys is very well connected in all areas such as business, celebrities & royalty and whatever you can think of.
There's a difference between believing you're the best, and believing you're the greatest. The first one relates to level and potential, the second to achievements and what you've already done.
 

BGod

Hall of Fame
#37
Oh I think Fed has truly believed it since win inning Wimbledon 09 and getting 15. His concentrated dominance was something else and nobody was close in his generation at the time.

I don't think Nadal is so delusional with 0 WTFs and 11/17 on one surface.

Novak knows he needs 21 to get everyone on his side. He doesn't seem secure with himself until he has the overall number.

Nadal will likely end up with 22 slams
So with 1 Slam outside the French last 5 completed seasons and 4 Majors overall in that time-span you think it likely he wins 5 more? Ok then...
 
#39
Oh I think Fed has truly believed it since win inning Wimbledon 09 and getting 15. His concentrated dominance was something else and nobody was close in his generation at the time.

I don't think Nadal is so delusional with 0 WTFs and 11/17 on one surface.

Novak knows he needs 21 to get everyone on his side. He doesn't seem secure with himself until he has the overall number.

So with 1 Slam outside the French last 5 completed seasons and 4 Majors overall in that time-span you think it likely he wins 5 more? Ok then...
Yes, other than Novak nobody can beat him at RG other than injury-I would expect him to win at least another 3 before he calls it a day in 6 or 7 years, could see him winning another couple of US as well-that is Novak's weakest slam. Not a certainty-but he is clearly the second best next to Novak & the gulf between Nadal & the chasing pack is huge.
 
#40
There's a difference between believing you're the best, and believing you're the greatest. The first one relates to level and potential, the second to achievements and what you've already done.
In this case you're just playing with words. If we disregard your play on semantics, believing that you're better than the other two in running for goat is exactly the same as believing you're the greatest.
 
#41
Was it likely Fed was going to win 3 slams in 2017/2018 aged 35 & 36 playing at a level below what the other two are?
One should never compare either Novak or Nadal to Federer. Obviously both of their playing styles epitomize grinding. Djokovic also had the mental collapse from mid-2016 until mid 2018. Fed has never had mental fade outs and his playing style is effortless compared to the other two. If you think either Nadal or Djokovic will even be playing at 36, much less winning majors, then you're embracing a minority opinion. Which is fine, but reflect on tennis history and see how many guys in the Open era won anything (much less a slam) at ages 35 and 36.
 
#42
In this case you're just playing with words. If we disregard your play on semantics, believing that you're better than the other two in running for goat is exactly the same as believing you're the greatest.
It's not "just playing with words". Believing you are the GOAT/greatest means you think you've already arrived at the objective. I don't think it's a meaningless difference at all.

For example, I'm pretty sure Djokovic believes he's the best of the three, whilst he knows he isn't the greatest yet (his achievements don't match Federer's or Nadal's... yet). And that's exactly why he'll be trying to chase higher achievements and make history - so he'll also become the greatest.
Which, IMHO, is the right attitude and how a true champion should behave: be confident in your abilities (believe you're the best/among the best - anything else would be hypocritical, considering player's potential and records), yet know there's still more to achieve in order to mark history (know you're not the greatest yet - the opposite would be delusional arrogance, when achievements aren't highest yet).
 
#44
Fed thinks he is already ( and we cant really disagree ).
Nadal doesn't think like that IMO, and Djokovic believes he could be, and he is determined to prove that to everyone.
 

BGod

Hall of Fame
#48
Yes, other than Novak nobody can beat him at RG other than injury-I would expect him to win at least another 3 before he calls it a day in 6 or 7 years, could see him winning another couple of US as well-that is Novak's weakest slam. Not a certainty-but he is clearly the second best next to Novak & the gulf between Nadal & the chasing pack is huge.
Just history. Nadal turns 33 and his USO win was very much luck.

I also think his 17-18 FO opens have to be taken into context with Novak effectively out and Thiem/Zverev still progressing. I'd be surprised with him getting 3 more titles there.
 
#49
One should never compare either Novak or Nadal to Federer. Obviously both of their playing styles epitomize grinding. Djokovic also had the mental collapse from mid-2016 until mid 2018. Fed has never had mental fade outs and his playing style is effortless compared to the other two. If you think either Nadal or Djokovic will even be playing at 36, much less winning majors, then you're embracing a minority opinion. Which is fine, but reflect on tennis history and see how many guys in the Open era won anything (much less a slam) at ages 35 and 36.
Mental fade out or not-Fed had gone nearly five years slamless from 2012-2017 & only had 2 slams this decade until the 2017 AO. The thing is the prior generations didn't have the nutrition or sports science the current players have-just like Cricket where it was a pint, burger & chips & some ciggies, while now they take nutrition very seriously, I don't see age being a big thing until they hit 40 if they stay fit.
 
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