Do you think Nadal got knee surgery?

[Crisstti]

Are you serious? I think being away from your sport for three years after retiring due to cancer is a little harder to come back from than a few months away to rehabilitate knee inflammation.

You come across as an irrational hater by ignoring the general principle of my post in order to try to nitpick a detail. Jordan wasn't hurt but left his sport and wasn't training for basketball for two years. To come back and dominate after that was incredible, but thanks to his era Jordan didn't have to sit there and suffer doping allegations from keyboard warriors on the internet.

The hilarious irony of it all is that if a high profile player like Nadal really were doping, it would be very hard to hide from the rest of the tour and honestly be very unlikely that other top players could have competed with him all these years without participating themselves. But people will cast stones at Nadal while pretending that their own favorites must be so clean.



What's your point? Yes he has a congenital foot injury. They made a decision to play through it. Playing with orthotics seems to spare the foot in exchange for putting an inflammatory stress on the knee, which is where we are today -- is there a point to what you say or are you just trolling? How does this contradict the idea that any career threatening aspect of this injury is one of considering his long term health vs his short term success in tennis. In fact, it sounds like that is exactly what the issue was:

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/spo...est-fear-arrives/story-e6frg7mf-1226452902007

My examples were meant for the following reason: to show that athletes in every sport play through pain on a regular basis, and great athletes in many sports have come back from long absences to be dominant - and my examples only scratch the surface of what happens year after year in so many sports.

With Nadal I always make the comparison to Peter Forsberg who's style resulted in injuries and forced him to miss time almost every year, and yet didn't prevent him from being one of the most dominant players of his era when he played.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Forsberg#Injury_proneness

Nadal haters sit around and throw out his success in the face of injury as a reason to throw around slanderous accusations and I'm saying that before doing that maybe you should take a serious look at other great athletes in other sports through many eras.

These people are just a bunch of pathetic fanboys, they are not fans of tennis or of sports in general or they wouldn't need this explained to them.

I command you for your effort though

I for my part will once again bring up the example of football player Arjen Robben, with constant injury issues throughout his career, who's often half a season out injured, and nevertheless one of the best players in the world, having just won last season the league, cup and Champions League.

Rafa's success despite his constant injury problems is a huge credit to him, but of course these losers try to somehow hold it against him.

 

[Day Tripper]

Are you serious? I think being away from your sport for three years after retiring due to cancer is a little harder to come back from than a few months away to rehabilitate knee inflammation.

You come across as an irrational hater by ignoring the general principle of my post in order to try to nitpick a detail. Jordan wasn't hurt but left his sport and wasn't training for basketball for two years. To come back and dominate after that was incredible, but thanks to his era Jordan didn't have to sit there and suffer doping allegations from keyboard warriors on the internet.

The hilarious irony of it all is that if a high profile player like Nadal really were doping, it would be very hard to hide from the rest of the tour and honestly be very unlikely that other top players could have competed with him all these years without participating themselves. But people will cast stones at Nadal while pretending that their own favorites must be so clean.



What's your point? Yes he has a congenital foot injury. They made a decision to play through it. Playing with orthotics seems to spare the foot in exchange for putting an inflammatory stress on the knee, which is where we are today -- is there a point to what you say or are you just trolling? How does this contradict the idea that any career threatening aspect of this injury is one of considering his long term health vs his short term success in tennis. In fact, it sounds like that is exactly what the issue was:

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/spo...est-fear-arrives/story-e6frg7mf-1226452902007

My examples were meant for the following reason: to show that athletes in every sport play through pain on a regular basis, and great athletes in many sports have come back from long absences to be dominant - and my examples only scratch the surface of what happens year after year in so many sports.

With Nadal I always make the comparison to Peter Forsberg who's style resulted in injuries and forced him to miss time almost every year, and yet didn't prevent him from being one of the most dominant players of his era when he played.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Forsberg#Injury_proneness

Nadal haters sit around and throw out his success in the face of injury as a reason to throw around slanderous accusations and I'm saying that before doing that maybe you should take a serious look at other great athletes in other sports through many eras.

I have a rather unique perspective on the Nadal doping issue.

My family has a long association with professional sports and more specifically sports science.

My father has been a physiotherapist for over 30 year sand has spent 20 of those years working with professional sports teams (predominantly but not exclusively Americas Cup Yachting, Rugby Union, Hockey). My eldest brother is also a trained physiotherapist and went on to study sports science. He is currently employed by a professional sports team ( Rugby League) and amongst other things supervises the supplements program. We are all avid tennis fans.

They are both harsh critics of of Nadal and believe based on their knowledge of tendinitis/knee injuries and the application of modern sports science that on the balance of probabilities he is most likely a drugs cheat.

They essentially frame the issue as follows - Nadal is either a medical freak of nature or has cheated through doping.

You can either choose to believe in miracles or you can adopt the rational view and accept the fact that on the balance of probabilities he is most likely doping.

Anyone who seriously thinks that an athlete can take 6 months off from their sport and then return to achieve what nadal has over the last few months 'clean' is living in a fantasy world.

You can choose to believe what you want but at least my opinion is based on those of people have have no vested interest and have considerable knowledge in this area.

You should at least do some research before dismissing opinions you don't agree with. i think were you to do so your view would be altered immeasurably.

Food for thought.

 

[Bender]

I have a rather unique perspective on the Nadal doping issue.

My family has a long association with professional sports and more specifically sports science.

My father has been a physiotherapist for over 30 year sand has spent 20 of those years working with professional sports teams (predominantly but not exclusively Americas Cup Yachting, Rugby Union, Hockey). My eldest brother is also a trained physiotherapist and went on to study sports science. He is currently employed by a professional sports team ( Rugby League) and amongst other things supervises the supplements program. We are all avid tennis fans.

They are both harsh critics of of Nadal and believe based on their knowledge of tendinitis/knee injuries and the application of modern sports science that on the balance of probabilities he is most likely a drugs cheat.

They essentially frame the issue as follows - Nadal is either a medical freak of nature or has cheated through doping.

You can either choose to believe in miracles or you can adopt the rational view and accept the fact that on the balance of probabilities he is most likely doping.

Anyone who seriously thinks that an athlete can take 6 months off from their sport and then return to achieve what nadal has over the last few months 'clean' is living in a fantasy world.

You can choose to believe what you want but at least my opinion is based on those of people have have no vested interest and have considerable knowledge in this area.

You should at least do some research before dismissing opinions you don't agree with. i think were you to do so your view would be altered immeasurably.

Food for thought.

Yes, but this still fails to explain why he's playing BETTER for someone who should be under MORE scrutiny not LESS, if he were indeed silently banned.

If he really were caught doping I would've thought that he would be playing worse, not better because he's off the juice...unless your family thinks he plays better clean than dirty?

And being an expert doesn't per se mean that their suspicions are automatically correct. I'm not saying I'm more knowledgeable but last time I checked, said experts and coaches said Rafa's forehand was technically incorrect. Other experts found that Nadal puts 1000 lbs of stress on his knees when he plays a backhand for instance, and I don't want to know how much he puts on his left knee when he pushes off it to hit a forehand, only to land on the same knee again.

 

[Deleted member 3771]

Nadal just plays through the pain.

 

[The_Order]

I have a rather unique perspective on the Nadal doping issue.

My family has a long association with professional sports and more specifically sports science.

My father has been a physiotherapist for over 30 year sand has spent 20 of those years working with professional sports teams (predominantly but not exclusively Americas Cup Yachting, Rugby Union, Hockey). My eldest brother is also a trained physiotherapist and went on to study sports science. He is currently employed by a professional sports team ( Rugby League) and amongst other things supervises the supplements program. We are all avid tennis fans.

They are both harsh critics of of Nadal and believe based on their knowledge of tendinitis/knee injuries and the application of modern sports science that on the balance of probabilities he is most likely a drugs cheat.

They essentially frame the issue as follows - Nadal is either a medical freak of nature or has cheated through doping.

You can either choose to believe in miracles or you can adopt the rational view and accept the fact that on the balance of probabilities he is most likely doping.

Anyone who seriously thinks that an athlete can take 6 months off from their sport and then return to achieve what nadal has over the last few months 'clean' is living in a fantasy world.

You can choose to believe what you want but at least my opinion is based on those of people have have no vested interest and have considerable knowledge in this area.

You should at least do some research before dismissing opinions you don't agree with. i think were you to do so your view would be altered immeasurably.

Food for thought.

Nobody really cares what association your family has with sports science.

One of the dumbest arguments I've seen on here recently is that Nadal copped a silent ban.

That is utter bs. IF Nadal copped a silent ban then how in the hell does he come back and play at this level still? What is he going to be stupid enough to keep doping straight after the ban whilst most likely being under extreme scrutiny?

Anyone who thinks this is a complete nut.

 

[insideguy]

Nobody really cares what association your family has with sports science.

One of the dumbest arguments I've seen on here recently is that Nadal copped a silent ban.

That is utter bs. IF Nadal copped a silent ban then how in the hell does he come back and play at this level still? What is he going to be stupid enough to keep doping straight after the ban whilst most likely being under extreme scrutiny?

Anyone who thinks this is a complete nut.

I dont think he took a silent ban. I think he got caught and took time off on his own. They wont touch him. And not only him anyone in the top ten. Aint gonna happen. Tennis covers it up. Because it will destroy the sport. Once one big player is actually caught the whole wall of dominos comes crashing down. I have accepted the doping. Its what it is. And again you will never see any top player busted. Mark my words. Because they all know what the other ones are doing. The ATP is powerless to do anything.

 

[MichaelNadal]

Nobody really cares what association your family has with sports science.

One of the dumbest arguments I've seen on here recently is that Nadal copped a silent ban.

That is utter bs. IF Nadal copped a silent ban then how in the hell does he come back and play at this level still? What is he going to be stupid enough to keep doping straight after the ban whilst most likely being under extreme scrutiny?

Anyone who thinks this is a complete nut.

Just let the haters hate man, it's more hilarious that way.

 

[dooknookem]

Anyone who seriously thinks that an athlete can take 6 months off from their sport and then return to achieve what nadal has over the last few months 'clean' is living in a fantasy world.

Peyton Manning, Adrian Peterson, and Jamaal Charles just did it last year and all 3 of them had MVP seasons last season. Have you ever heard of the NFL? Are they all on PEDs too? Peyton Manning must sure be on that EPO and he probably shoots up testosterone every morning with Wes Welker (who also came back from injury to dominate). Do you just stick to sailboat racing and tennis? Maybe if your family spent more time working in real sports with real "freak" athletes they could comprehend what they are seeing rather than just make a PED excuse for it. Some sports physiotherapists they must be...no yacht racers ever made it back from injury? Lol.

 

[vernonbc]

rofl, what proof? some guy at some tournament saw rafa wince at a waterfountain?

hot dayum, you cracked the case sherlock. ROFLMAO.

You specifically named years in which rafa missed tournaments/time away from the tour because of a stated injury,...stated by his camp , but you have the nerve to act like what his camp says doesnt matter.


Try again.

Here's some proof. Picture of Rafa from his first match at 2012 Wimbledon.

http://a.yfrog.com/img876/6654/qz2rn.jpg
Click on the picture to enlarge it and you will see three distinct needle marks from having the knee anaesthetized so that he could play. Next match was the one he lost to Rosol because his movement was hampered by his knee injury after which he took time off to rehab it. The rehab didn't go as well as they hoped and he had to keep cancelling tournaments and it eventually stretched to seven months. His knee was legitimately injured.

 

[vive le beau jeu !]

again..the guy with the tender knees who has had a long rusty layoff...is somehow in a better position to dominate than guys who are injury free, fit and match and battle tested.

explain how that makes sense again?

 

[intrepidish]

Some remarkably stupid posters in here with explanations for their butt-hurt.

Newsflash: Nadal is an awesome player and has made most of you look extremely stupid with your "predictions"

Cheers.

 

[clayqueen]

For somebody who is so physical in his game style , it is unfathomable that he wins so much on hard courts..someone serves a 7 month injury period, then comes back and wins all hard court events ??? Does not add up.

It's not as if he never made it deep on h/c. Go to his profile and see how many h/c Sf and finals he's made in his career.

 

[Federer20042006]

Nadal is almost certainly on PEDs, or was at one time, but the "silent ban" stuff is just stupid. What's the point of a "silent ban," exactly? Punish the player but not let anyone know he's being punished? For what?

I'd more inclined to believe they just cover up his positive tests, if he ever gets nailed on them, and let him keep playing as he wishes.

No, the reason Nadal took those 2 long breaks is he wanted to discredit the shocking upsets he suffered at the hands of Soderling and Rosol and maintain the notion that he is invincible when healthy. It's all about the mental edge he and his team want to have over opponents.

The guy was never hurt. His knees are no worse than Federer's.

 

[sbengte]

Nadal is almost certainly on PEDs, or was at one time, but the "silent ban" stuff is just stupid. What's the point of a "silent ban," exactly? Punish the player but not let anyone know he's being punished? For what?

I'd more inclined to believe they just cover up his positive tests, if he ever gets nailed on them, and let him keep playing as he wishes.

No, the reason Nadal took those 2 long breaks is he wanted to discredit the shocking upsets he suffered at the hands of Soderling and Rosol and maintain the notion that he is invincible when healthy. It's all about the mental edge he and his team want to have over opponents.

The guy was never hurt. His knees are no worse than Federer's.

All of this. The silent ban theory makes no sense whatsoever.

 

[MichaelNadal]

Nadal is almost certainly on PEDs, or was at one time, but the "silent ban" stuff is just stupid. What's the point of a "silent ban," exactly? Punish the player but not let anyone know he's being punished? For what?

I'd more inclined to believe they just cover up his positive tests, if he ever gets nailed on them, and let him keep playing as he wishes.

No, the reason Nadal took those 2 long breaks is he wanted to discredit the shocking upsets he suffered at the hands of Soderling and Rosol and maintain the notion that he is invincible when healthy. It's all about the mental edge he and his team want to have over opponents.

The guy was never hurt. His knees are no worse than Federer's.

He has officially make you guys go nuts with his US Open win. The marbles are just rolling all over the place now.

 

[Crose]

Nadal is almost certainly on PEDs, or was at one time, but the "silent ban" stuff is just stupid. What's the point of a "silent ban," exactly? Punish the player but not let anyone know he's being punished? For what?

I'd more inclined to believe they just cover up his positive tests, if he ever gets nailed on them, and let him keep playing as he wishes.

No, the reason Nadal took those 2 long breaks is he wanted to discredit the shocking upsets he suffered at the hands of Soderling and Rosol and maintain the notion that he is invincible when healthy. It's all about the mental edge he and his team want to have over opponents.

The guy was never hurt. His knees are no worse than Federer's.

Do you seriously think Nadal, one of the most if not THE most competitive players on tour skipped numerous slams while being completely 100% heathy just because he didn't want to accept fair defeat? You honestly believe that he would deliberately compromise the full potential of his legacy by missing massive chunks of his career just so he could prove a point about his game?

Your comment is just pure delusion, and I can't believe that YOU believe the stuff you write.

 

[intrepidish]

Do you seriously think Nadal, one of the most if not THE most competitive players on tour skipped numerous slams while being completely 100% heathy just because he didn't want to accept fair defeat? You honestly believe that he would deliberately compromise the full potential of his legacy by missing massive chunks of his career just so he could prove a point about his game?

Your comment is just pure delusion, and I can't believe that YOU believe the stuff you write.

These guys are just insane. On the other big tennis forum they would be banned for what they wrote and to be honest, they should be here too.

 

[Federer20042006]

Do you seriously think Nadal, one of the most if not THE most competitive players on tour skipped numerous slams while being completely 100% heathy just because he didn't want to accept fair defeat? You honestly believe that he would deliberately compromise the full potential of his legacy by missing massive chunks of his career just so he could prove a point about his game?

Your comment is just pure delusion, and I can't believe that YOU believe the stuff you write.

No, what's delusional is believing Nadal had a serious knee injury when he lost to Soderling and Rosol, who were coincidentally hitting every line with 100+ MPH shots, playing out of their mind.

And Nadal was running like a gazelle in those matches. He didn't even have his knees taped. He looked the same as he always did...showed no signs whatsoever of being hurt. And then out of nowhere, "I was soooooo injured, no?"

What's delusional is believing Nadal, a man who has pretty much blamed injury after every single match he's ever lost, was actually injured.

Where are the surgeries? Where's the proof? If it sounds fake, it probably is.

You delusional Nadal fanboys and girls are basically telling us he's invincible. Do you get that? The guy has cited injuries after just about every loss he's ever had in a slam. If you remove all the matches he's ever claimed injury in, you could count on one hand the number of matches he's lost in his career.

That is disgraceful. That is insulting to the other players...that they couldn't possibly beat Nadal unless his poor, pitiful KNEEEZZZZZ are acting up.

This is why so many people despise Nadal. His fan base is obnoxious and delusional.

 

[Romismak]

Really don´t know what to think. If he had surgery, rested months .o.k he is 100% healthy so he is winning that´s logic, but than why he was crap at Wimby, but is great on HC where he played a lot of matches already.

If he got silent ban - i don´t think media wold get thet it would be really top secret and not many people in ATP would know, it is also possible that he knew rules, how long he will be out and so on - so he had months to train, heal, whatever so that makes him strong in 2013 that´s also logical, i mean top guys have just 2 months between WTF and Australia to regroup, heal, he hd 7 months, no wonder he came back strong.

But 1 thing i am sure is Rosol loss, i don´t care what he say Rosol played match of his life and just hit through Rafa that day

 

[vernonbc]

He has officially make you guys go nuts with his US Open win. The marbles are just rolling all over the place now.

Hahahah!!!! Best comment ever. :lol:

 

[Death Master]

He has officially make you guys go nuts with his US Open win. The marbles are just rolling all over the place now.

clay warrior has ruined their lives.

 

[counterloop]

He has officially make you guys go nuts with his US Open win. The marbles are just rolling all over the place now.

hilarious but so true!!!

 

[Omega_7000]

Nadal is almost certainly on PEDs, or was at one time, but the "silent ban" stuff is just stupid. What's the point of a "silent ban," exactly? Punish the player but not let anyone know he's being punished? For what?

I'd more inclined to believe they just cover up his positive tests, if he ever gets nailed on them, and let him keep playing as he wishes.

No, the reason Nadal took those 2 long breaks is he wanted to discredit the shocking upsets he suffered at the hands of Soderling and Rosol and maintain the notion that he is invincible when healthy. It's all about the mental edge he and his team want to have over opponents.

The guy was never hurt. His knees are no worse than Federer's.

I agree with this assessment...The silent ban theory does not make any sense...and If you had to assume the worst, then he is just faking injuries to go on a "cycle"...

 

[octobrina10]

Question. Do you think Nadal got knee surgery?
Answer. The FACT is, he didn't.

According to Rafa's doctors, his tendons have healed.
It's Hoffa's syndrome in his left knee that bothers him. Hoffa’s syndrome means that the fat pad (aka Hoffa's Pad), which is situated behind the knee cap, is swollen, and as a result, the pad is getting impinged between the knee cap and thigh bone. It's very painful.

Hoffa's Syndrome (Fat Pad Impingement)
http://www.mendmyknee.com/knee-and-patella-injuries/hoffas-syndrome-knee-pain.php

http://www.osteopaths.uk.com/hoffa.html

 

[Day Tripper]

Nobody really cares what association your family has with sports science.

One of the dumbest arguments I've seen on here recently is that Nadal copped a silent ban.

That is utter bs. IF Nadal copped a silent ban then how in the hell does he come back and play at this level still? What is he going to be stupid enough to keep doping straight after the ban whilst most likely being under extreme scrutiny?

Anyone who thinks this is a complete nut.

I do not believe in the 'silent ban' theory either.

The main point I was trying to get across is that I have a close relationship with two people who have vast knowledge of modern sports science and dealing with sports related injuries and they both believe there is a very slim chance that nadal is clean. I think that is worth sharing given that most people on this forum either pro or anti Nadal don't really know what they are talking about regarding the issue.

whether you choose to agree or disagree the fact remains that their opinions are more valid than 99% of the layman on this forum being backed by credentials rather than personal agendas.

 

[chjtennis]

He may have some aches but that's quite common among the players. They always play through some pains. If it was really serious, he couldn't have run and played.

 

[Omega_7000]

He may have some aches but that's quite common among the players. They always play through some pains. If it was really serious, he couldn't have run and played.

Yeah everyone plays through nagging pains...To dominate the field after a major injury and a 7 month break tells me what a weak arse clown era this is.

Either that or he was just not being honest about his injury...

 

[fatichar]

I do not believe in the 'silent ban' theory either.

The main point I was trying to get across is that I have a close relationship with two people who have vast knowledge of modern sports science and dealing with sports related injuries and they both believe there is a very slim chance that nadal is clean. I think that is worth sharing given that most people on this forum either pro or anti Nadal don't really know what they are talking about regarding the issue.

whether you choose to agree or disagree the fact remains that their opinions are more valid than 99% of the layman on this forum being backed by credentials rather than personal agendas.

Surely the guys you mention would be more knowledgeable than us casuals here, but then wouldn't past and present tennis pros, their coaches, sports writers etc be even more educated? May be they wouldn't speak in public for lack of proof, but at least the guy wouldn't be respected on the tour. But he is one of the most liked malr players of his era. Why so?

 

[furryballs]

high volume saline injections are more effective than prp treatment.why did nads go with the prp?

 

[beast of mallorca]

high volume saline injections are more effective than prp treatment.why did nads go with the prp?

You don't have a clue on what you're talking about. Next..........:twisted:

 

[furryballs]

another uninformed idiot

 

[octobrina10]

...
The main point I was trying to get across is that I have a close relationship with two people who have vast knowledge of modern sports science and dealing with sports related injuries and they both believe there is a very slim chance that nadal is clean.

These 'two people' should think what has made it possible that the person who couldn't serve in the (Swiss) army due to his long-standing back problem, has won 17 GS titles!
Other people are saying that many roads lead to Switzerland...
"Armstrong paid Swiss firm for doping services, report charges"
http://malcolm-curtis.com/2012/10/12/armstrong-paid-swiss-firm-for-doping-services-report-charges/

 

[Omega_7000]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Doctor Eufemiano Fuentes

 

[objectivity]

For somebody who is so physical in his game style , it is unfathomable that he wins so much on hard courts..someone serves a 7 month injury period, then comes back and wins all hard court events ??? Does not add up.

doesn't djokovic have just as physical a game style? he has absolutely no knee problems. isn't that even more unfathomable? i don't see you pointing that out.

 

[octobrina10]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Doctor Eufemiano Fuentes

This man is reportedly close to Armstrong's sport.