do you think roger federer 's ground stroke is overrated sometimes ?

skypadq

Hall of Fame


i was rewatched 2007 USO final and i am such shocked
why ?
why the hell prime roger federer couldn 't dominante rally agianst 20 years old novak djokovic ?
roger 's rally is sometimes very unstable and backhand drive attack is not that good
lot a backhand miss and not that fast i was thought
i certin roger 's serve is OP
i think his volley is top tier

but his ground stroke is really unstable
 

TJfederer16

Hall of Fame
USO 07' final is not a good representation of Roger's ground strokes. He played pretty average but was incredibly clutch in the big moments. Just because you watched one match where his ground strokes weren't at their best does not suddenly equate to them being overrated....
 

skypadq

Hall of Fame
USO 07' final is not a good representation of Roger ground strokes. He played pretty average but was incredibly clutch in the big moments. Just because you watched one match where his ground strokes weren't at their best does not suddenly equate to them being overrated....
i mean ... lot a backhand miss is really wonderling for me
 

RaulRamirez

Hall of Fame
"Sometimes" is too random a benchmark. Sometimes, Fognini has been better than Nadal (quick example, nothing against Fog.)

In general, are Fed's groundstrokes overrated? No. Generally, I think his backhand has been somewhat underrated. His forehand, generally speaking, is rated about right - still very good, and used to be otherworldly.
 

skypadq

Hall of Fame
"Sometimes" is too random a benchmark. Sometimes, Fognini has been better than Nadal (quick example, nothing against Fog.)

In general, are Fed's groundstrokes overrated? No. Generally, I think his backhand has been somewhat underrated. His forehand, generally speaking, is rated about right - still very good, and used to be otherworldly.
but my point is why even prime roger federer couldn 't hit backhand drive attack after and after like wawrinka did in 2014 AO ?
 

ibbi

Legend
Overrated as in not perfect in every match? Sure.

Otherwise? No.

His forehand might be underrated, which is something for a shot considered as good as any there has ever been, and his backhand is certainly underrated, because it's only not good when compared either to his forehand, or to the very best backhands in the game.

You know what I think of when people talk about peak Federer in this way? (Other than they probably didn't watch him much):

The dragon stopped short in his boasting. 'Your information is antiquated', he snapped. 'I am armoured above and below with iron scales and hard gems. No blade can pierce me.'

'I might have guessed it', said Bilbo. 'Truly there can nowhere be found the equal of Lord Smaug the Impenetrable. What magnificence to possess a waistcoat of fine diamonds!'

'Yes, it is rare and wonderful, indeed', said Smaug absurdly pleased. He did not know that the hobbit had already caught a glimpse of his peculiar under-covering on his previous visit, and was itching for a closer view for reasons of his own. The dragon rolled over. 'Look!' he said. 'What do you say to that?'

'Dazzlingly marvellous! Perfect! Flawless! Staggering!' exclaimed Bilbo aloud, but what he thought inside was: 'Old fool! Why, there is a large patch in the hollow of his left breast as bare as a snail out of its shell!'
Except the 'large patch' isn't that large, and the only guy who ever successfully exposed it consistently was a god tier tennis player whose entire game seemed literally perfectly tailored to counter Federer's.
 

FatHead250

Semi-Pro
i think is because Novak prefer fast court on oposite to federer who want slower court against Novak
and is because when Roger start on toru when they was play serve voley game and he is played there voley and serve game and is what he Novak grown up on playing basleine game to the opposite of Roger
 

skypadq

Hall of Fame
Overrated as in not perfect in every match? Sure.

Otherwise? No.

His forehand might be underrated, which is something for a shot considered as good as any there has ever been, and his backhand is certainly underrated, because it's only not good when compared either to his forehand, or to the very best backhands in the game.

You know what I think of when people talk about peak Federer in this way? (Other than they probably didn't watch him much):



Except the 'large patch' isn't that large, and the only guy who ever successfully exposed it consistently was a god tier tennis player whose entire game seemed literally perfectly tailored to counter Federer's.
i really notice that even 2007 , 2008 , 2009 federer played in slam match
his backhand drive is unstable
 

ForehandCross

Hall of Fame
@skypadq is trolling well these days.

Federer's groundstrokes are overrated in terms of consistency.

But he can be decently consistent too.

This same Federer made Djokovic look inconsistent from baseline the very next USO.

He doesn't have the solidness of Djokodal on his strokes but he can be really solid on his days.
 

skypadq

Hall of Fame
@skypadq is trolling well these days.

Federer's groundstrokes are overrated in terms of consistency.

But he can be decently consistent too.

This same Federer made Djokovic look inconsistent from baseline the very next USO.

He doesn't have the solidness of Djokodal on his strokes but he can be really solid on his days.
okay , i get that and i 'm not trolling at all man
 

ibbi

Legend
i really notice that even 2007 , 2008 , 2009 federer played in slam match
his backhand drive is unstable
Alright, but what about 04, 05, 06 compared to 07, 08 and 09? Federer, like most tennis players until the last 10 years was betterer youngerer. His backhand IS unstable, which is exactly why it's been the one thing people have been clinging on to for 15+ years as a weakness you can attack, but again, it's only really weak compared to everything else. He's still capable of greatness off that wing. Nobody claims his backhand is an all time great shot.
 

skaj

Legend
I don't think it's possible for his forehand to be overrated.
The backhand is overrated because it's a one-hander and in this century people have a thing for single-handed backhands. Plus it's Federer, he is constantly being overrated. It's amazing, one of the greatest players ever and they still manage to overrate him.
 

Red Rick

Bionic Poster


i was rewatched 2007 USO final and i am such shocked
why ?
why the hell prime roger federer couldn 't dominante rally agianst 20 years old novak djokovic ?
roger 's rally is sometimes very unstable and backhand drive attack is not that good
lot a backhand miss and not that fast i was thought
i certin roger 's serve is OP
i think his volley is top tier

but his ground stroke is really unstable
USO 07' final is not a good representation of Roger's ground strokes. He played pretty average but was incredibly clutch in the big moments. Just because you watched one match where his ground strokes weren't at their best does not suddenly equate to them being overrated....
It's not like Djokovic wasn't an absolute beast in 2007 at this point.
 
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