Do you think Shelton could have a shot at beating Sinner in an hypothetical SF ?

[Dominic & Andrey]

Thoughts ? I like Ben and want to have high hopes for him but that might be hopless against Sinner.

 

[ghostofMecir]

Depending on how the AdM match goes, Sinner would likely be a -800 to -900 favorite.

 

[McGradey]

Puncher's chance if Sinner isn't in top form.

 

[nolefam_2024]

Honestly the semis could have been better if Djokovic and raz was semis and sinner vs zverev. I know seeding is different.

Sinner draw is a joke.

 

[Jonesy]

no

 

[Birrittene96]

I'd say more than 10%. He already beat him on his favourite surface, it's a possibility.

 

[MeatTornado]

I need to see what Sinner looks like tonight. If Sinner is back to normal like the first 3 rounds, Shelton has no shot. Best case would be stealing a set in a tiebreak.

But we don't know Sinner's fitness. We don't even know what's wrong with him, only that he woke up not feeling well on Monday.

 

[objection_]

10% in a day match and like 2% in a night match.

 

[Cashman]

Sinner draw is a joke.

not the draw's fault when players underperform

Tsisipas, Fritz, Rublev, Medvedev, Tiafoe all rolled over and made their sections much easier

 

[nolefam_2024]

Players like Shelton are not even proper BOTs
11.1% ace and 14.7 % break, not even BOTS worthy

Creating a thread to bring a criteria for Servebots

Servebot A player with Aces % > BRK % Usually a player breaks around 20/30 % on avg. But the servebots can go from anywhere under 10 to 20 % of time breaking serves. They barely break serves but can coast through on the basis of serving. By this list. Isner Ace % 21.25 BRK % 10.08 Kyrgios Ace %...

tt.tennis-warehouse.com

He is near Stephanos Tsitispas level and not even peak Stephanos on hc. There is no hope.

Even Tsitispas is far better on hc where he has 10.1 ace and whopping 19.4 % break last year where he took a backseat. The Tsitispas who beat Sinner was even better and sinner worse.

If sinner loses to Shelton in AO, he will be derided.

Anything from Serena Usopen loss to Mike Tyson losing to Buster Douglas and Rhonda Rousey losing to Holy Holmes will come to mind.

It would be very bad for his legacy is what I am saying.

 

[nolefam_2024]

Just remember none of the three players above were ever the same after the loss.

 

[nolefam_2024]

Tsitispas on hc
Hold + Break

2020 - 91.4 + 18.5 = 109.9 slam contender
2021 - 87.3 +23.6 = 110.9 slam contender
2022 - 87.5 + 17.9 = 105.5 borderline
2023 - 90 + 16.4 = 106.4 borderline
2024 - 85.4 + 19.4 = 104 8 not contender

Shelton on hc
2023 - 85.2 + 14 = 99 ridiculous
2024 - 90.1 + 14.7 = 104.8 not contender

He is at same level shot as Tsitispas. With that puny return of serve there is close to zero chance.

I was very worried that monfils even will beat this guy.

 

[nolefam_2024]

Wow when I check return points won on hc in last year, among top 50, Shelton comes at 48.

Just ahead of BOT gmp and clay court specialist Darderi.

He is the worst. Not going to make top 10 anytime soon even with the luck of the draw

 

[Winner Sinner]

In Shanghai in their last match, Shelton played absolutely on par with Sinner, the difference was made as usual by the ability to play the important points at their best.
However, for value that day the match should have gone to the third.
In the first set I remember that Shelton put something like 95% of first serves in, Sinner incredibly broke his serve in a game where Shelton only put first serves in.
While in the second set Shelton had several opportunities to break Sinner's serve and avoid the set being decided in the tiebreak where Sinner lost the first point and immediately ran away without looking back.

All this to say that on hard a particularly inspired Shelton may not yet have the strength to beat Sinner, but he can put him in serious difficulty.

Having said that, these are premature discussions considering that the two still have to win their respective quarterfinal matches.

 

[Shaolin]

Maybe like a 10% chance (if Sinner has full blown pneumonia).

 

[nolefam_2024]

In Shanghai in their last match, Shelton played absolutely on par with Sinner, the difference was made as usual by the ability to play the important points at their best.
However, for value that day the match should have gone to the third.
In the first set I remember that Shelton put something like 95% of first serves in, Sinner incredibly broke his serve in a game where Shelton only put first serves in.
While in the second set Shelton had several opportunities to break Sinner's serve and avoid the set being decided in the tiebreak where Sinner lost the first point and immediately ran away without looking back.

All this to say that on hard a particularly inspired Shelton may not yet have the strength to beat Sinner, but he can put him in serious difficulty.

Having said that, these are premature discussions considering that the two still have to win their respective quarterfinal matches.

Sinner has stamina issues. His Shanghai campaign was hampered with longer Beijing campaign.

 

[Dominic & Andrey]

Shelton to save tennis

 

[RS]

I would say about 10% seems right.

 

[weakera]

Does he ACTUALLY have a chance? No

But does he THEORETICALLY have a chance? No

 

[ChrisJR3264]

No. His serve will keep things tight.
Shelton still needs to improve point construction and movement. I think he still just tries to over cook the ball early and often.

 

[Dominic & Andrey]

Does he ACTUALLY have a chance? No

But does he THEORETICALLY have a chance? No

Still hoping he wins lol, although in vain

 

[Krish0608]

Not unless Sinner is sick. How do you beat the guy? I have no clue. He’s just too strong at the moment.

 

[weakera]

Not unless Sinner is sick. How do you beat the guy? I have no clue. He’s just too strong at the moment.

Only the great Swiss Champion, Roger Federer, would stand a chance.

 

[SpinToWin]

He has a chance cause Sinner could get injured or sick. At this point I give that a 1% chance.

 

[Krish0608]

Only the great Swiss Champion, Roger Federer, would stand a chance.

Peak Big 3 would find a way for sure. But nevertheless, he’s looking downright scary. Not even breaking a sweat.

 

[Oleksandr.Usyk]

Only the great Swiss Champion, Roger Federer, would stand a chance.

Sinner would dismantle Federer's backhand and mental resiliance. I would give the slight edge to Roger on Wimbledon.

 

[weakera]

Sinner would dismantle Federer's backhand and mental resiliance. I would give the slight edge to Roger on Wimbledon.

I refuse to believe this

 

[HashDump]

Only the great Swiss Champion, Roger Federer, would stand a chance.

15-40 could be considered as a chance but if you lose anyway than no.

 

[Dominic & Andrey]

Not unless Sinner is sick. How do you beat the guy? I have no clue. He’s just too strong at the moment.

I am yet to watch him this tournament, he is even better than last year ?

 

[ghostofMecir]

Depending on how the AdM match goes, Sinner would likely be a -800 to -900 favorite.

Since Sinner showed no signs of one o a or whstever else was supposedly wrong lol, he’s now a massive -1200 favorite…in a SF.

 

[nolefam_2024]

Since Sinner showed no signs of one o a or whstever else was supposedly wrong lol, he’s now a massive -1200 favorite…in a SF.

That is 0-10 %

No one respects Ben Shelton. When he was in USO 23 semis people thought he will soon be a top 10 but has stopped improving.

 

[Nostradamus]

Thoughts ? I like Ben and want to have high hopes for him but that might be hopless against Sinner.

Yea, if this sickness that Sinner has flares up again,, and he has to play left handed.. then yes Shelton has a chance

 

[Jonas78]

Sinner is something we have never seen before; a 6'3" giant who wins as many serve games on HC as Karlovic, AND also is among the current top3 returners in the world. A servebot will have no chance against him.

 

[nolefam_2024]

Sinner is something we have never seen before; a 6'3" giant who wins as many serve games on HC as Karlovic, AND also is among the current top3 returners in the world.

Nice

 

[Jonas78]

Nice

Yeah i cant think of anyone like him? Djokovic at his best was a better returner, but never had those serve stats.

 

[nolefam_2024]

Yeah i cant think of anyone like him? Djokovic at his best was a better returner, but never had those serve stats.

The court surfaces are becoming a bit faster and more power heavy with the slow puffy balls. I think that's where sinner has huge edge over past players.

His serve is very good but for the guy his size, it's not the best yet. Doesn't hit a lot of first

 

[Jonas78]

The court surfaces are becoming a bit faster and more power heavy with the slow puffy balls. I think that's where sinner has huge edge over past players.

His serve is very good but for the guy his size, it's not the best yet. Doesn't hit a lot of first

...and thats the sick part. Last 52 weeks HC he has the combination of 92% serve games won and 30% return games won. If he improves his serve he will be close to the greatest servebot the world has ever seen, AND a great returner.

Edit: i mean servebot games won stats, not that he ever will ace as much as Karlo.

 

[messiahrobins]

Thoughts ? I like Ben and want to have high hopes for him but that might be hopless against Sinner.

Im a big fan of Shelton but i dont think he retuens serve well enough and Sinner and Djokovic probably his worse matchups. I do feel he will be a nightmare for Alcaraz though moving forward.

 

[Rosstour]

Not unless Sinner is sick. How do you beat the guy? I have no clue. He’s just too strong at the moment.

After the Final, we'll be saying how impressive it was that Novak beat him

 

[FedForGOAT]

Sinner would dismantle Federer's backhand and mental resiliance. I would give the slight edge to Roger on Wimbledon.

Watch the 2005 AO. Yes, Safin (another great 2hbh wielder) beat Federer, but it was as tight as could be. Watch Roger’s bh slice that tournament - it was so low and skidding. Even Sinner would have trouble attacking that.
Whatever happens, Roger wouldn’t be getting dismantled.

 

[heavyD]

Sinner is today’s best example of tennis evolution. Tall guy with a well rounded game that can absolutely bash the ball from both sides better than anyone. If you wanted to build the perfect tennis player for today’s game he would be the end result. He’s been every bit as dominant the past calendar year as the big three ever were in their prime.

 

[KevinDouglas]

Why not? more than 100% win for Ben. Trust me!

 

[nolefam_2024]

Sinner is today’s best example of tennis evolution. Tall guy with a well rounded game that can absolutely bash the ball from both sides better than anyone. If you wanted to build the perfect tennis player for today’s game he would be the end result. He’s been every bit as dominant the past calendar year as the big three ever were in their prime.

Probably not every bit because of his physical issues.

Technically and tactically yes.

 

[TheBoom]

Less than 50%, greater than 10%. Their previous matches have gone 3 sets, or at least have tiebreakers. Shelton’s playing better this tournament so I’d give him a good shot. If he loses, I see it going at least 4 sets

 

[Daniel Andrade]

No and No but in yellow.

The end.

 

[mtommer]

Thoughts ? I like Ben and want to have high hopes for him but that might be hopless against Sinner.

It's never hopeless. Just ask those "nobody" players that beat Nadal, Federer, Djokovic at Slams. It happens.

 

[I Am Finnish]

Only in his dreams

 

[mental midget]

In Shanghai in their last match, Shelton played absolutely on par with Sinner, the difference was made as usual by the ability to play the important points at their best.
However, for value that day the match should have gone to the third.
In the first set I remember that Shelton put something like 95% of first serves in, Sinner incredibly broke his serve in a game where Shelton only put first serves in.
While in the second set Shelton had several opportunities to break Sinner's serve and avoid the set being decided in the tiebreak where Sinner lost the first point and immediately ran away without looking back.

All this to say that on hard a particularly inspired Shelton may not yet have the strength to beat Sinner, but he can put him in serious difficulty.

Having said that, these are premature discussions considering that the two still have to win their respective quarterfinal matches.

i just can't see ben hanging w sinner once the points start...if ben serves huge the sets could stay close, but he doesn't do a ton of line painting w his serves and those balls will be coming back. ben will get his share of winners, some big forehands, but point in, point out...man, tall order.

one thing about shelton, he is really handy at net, throwback touch up there. maybe roll groundies deep, don't give sinner pace, hope for short balls and take it to him? and lots of swinging serves into body for s&v, don't let sinner extend on those returns.

fun matchup however it shakes out.

 

[gamelovergold]

David vs goalith.
Shelton has to play like there is no tommorow. Sinner is looking booked for finals. If shelton plays match of his life then it is 50 50 chance for him.

 

[MisterP]

If Sinner is still sick and Shelton has a gold horseshoe stuffed up his rear end that particular day? Sure. Maybe. But he’d still likely face Novak in the final which is an even worse matchup.