objectivity
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yeah he is.
makes the rest of the players even more remarkable, seeing how they are able to overcome poorer hands dealt by mother nature. with hard work and grit.
Does anybody has doubt that federer is most talented player EVER?
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yeah he is.
makes the rest of the players even more remarkable, seeing how they are able to overcome poorer hands dealt by mother nature. with hard work and grit.
Most talented BY FAR, yes, nobody comes close. Not Nadal, not Sampras, nobody, there's not even a discussion here. However, I believe his raw talent was also one of Fed's downfalls, because he used to beat players by that alone and never needed an extra gear. When his level of play dropped and he need that extra gear to push through, he couldn't find it many times, he doesn't know how to win ugly, he never did. Nadal, a far less natural tennis player needed to win ugly a lot more times, thus developing a mental strength like no other.
don't bring nadal here
otherwise his fans start doing h2h discussion which is
bloody
nadal is not in the top few also in terms of talent
so don't mention his hui ugly work
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monfed
Guest
How is that working out for David Ferrer?
he beat great sir Andrew Murray at RG ( talented player!!)
objectivity
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david ferrer will probably never beat roger federer in terms of career statistics. rafa probably will never do that too. they are both clearly not quite as talented as roger federer, never had the luck of the draw when it came to nature's gifts. too bad for them. luckily they have a great attitude when it comes to overcoming their inferior talents. hard work, never taking things for granted and humility. i think those qualities went a long way, no?
MichaelNadal
Bionic Poster
You guys love to bring the H2H into EVERY frickin thread and swear it's the Nadal fans. Who gives a crap about the H2H? I don't. Hell, Rafa leads the H2H with almost everyone he's played multiple times. The sky is blue, he leads the H2H with Federer and waffles are good with syrup. Get OVER it already. One thing rabid Federer fans have in common is INSECURITY. Just support your boy and do you. Jesus!
THUNDERVOLLEY
G.O.A.T.
THUNDERVOLLEY
G.O.A.T.
They have no answer for that.
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monfed
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I may have said it in jest that Ralph is not talented but considering that Nadal has the greatest passing shots of all time and is world renowned to have trolled the net rushers/volleyers on so many frigging occasions(much to my dislike) sometimes from outside the doubles alley,that takes talent. Anyone have the passing shot Ralph hit to Fed at AO 12 gif? :lol:
But Ferrer just has no talent at all,seriously the guy has no weapons. :lol:
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his passing shots in sf of AO 2012 in second set to break
fed was greatest ever
its not true that rafa is not talented but lesser than fed
everyone will agree
if not we will start a new thread with title
"Does anybody has doubt that fed is talented than rafa ? "
objectivity
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i thought it did not take talent nor even effort to do that "dirty ploy" of hitting "moonballs" into the backhand of federer. i thought you taught me that?
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why nadal not changed game to beat davydenko on HC ?
don't forget rafa is 5 years younger than fed
at end of 07 h2h was 8-6 after 07 fed was declined
that explains how he can't beat him at rg
if 5 year younger guy will come and starts beat nadal
can nadal survive ? no chance
even 1 year younger Murray nole will beat him consistently
at slams though they are not talented as fed
this is difference of generations
next generation player can beat older generation players
easily though they are less talented as they are young
same as fed beat agassi
this is not the case that fed don't give rafa trouble
he has won 10 matches against him shows that
he can beat rafa
he also beat rafa twice on clay also.
remember rafa lost 7 consecutive finals to nole
in 11-12 though he is not better than fed at peak
he is not player with new generation but in rafas generation
if 5 year younger guy will come even less talented
can rafa win 10 matches against him?
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HERE COMES THE ANSWER-
why nadal not changed game to beat davydenko on HC ?
don't forget rafa is 5 years younger than fed
at end of 07 h2h was 8-6 after 07 fed was declined
that explains how he can't beat him at rg
if 5 year younger guy will come and start beat nadal
can nadal survive ? no chance
even 1 year younger Murray nole will beat him consistently
at slams though they are not talented as fed
this is difference of generations
next generation player can beat older generation players
easily though they are less talented as they are young
same as fed beat agassi
this is not the case that fed don't give rafa trouble
he has won 10 matches against him shows that
he can beat rafa
he also beat rafa twice on clay also.
remember rafa lost 7 consecutive finals to nole
in 11-12 though he is not better than fed at peak
he is not player with new generation but in rafas generation
if 5 year younger guy will come even less talented
can rafa win 10 matches against him?
ilovetennis212
Professional
Nice opinion.
Both of them are great.
But I don't think 30yrs old rafa will beat the guys(top4) who is 5-6yrs younger than him.
Federer did in 2012. He beat nadal, murray, djokovic when he was 30yrs old.
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monfed
Guest
I don't think Ralph is beating Fed hitting flat FH(like his I/O FH winners) to Fed's BH like every other lefthander out there,that's just my opinion on the matchup,feel free to disagree though.
And again I did mention Ralph's talent is related to hitting passing shots on the run from impossible positions as opposed to finishing points with clean winners.
The_Order
G.O.A.T.
He never had to, Davydenko was never stopping Nadal from winning majors, so adapting his game to beat him was probably the last thing on his mind.
So why was teenage Rafa beating peak Fed even on HC? :lol:
LOL what rubbish, Fed faced Rafa at RG from 05-07 and came up short every time.
As for the 8-6 h2h before Fed "declined" that is embarrassing that the GOAT was still behind against a player who could only play consistently well on clay.
Yeah, you're right, Nadal will die if a guy 5 years younger starts beating him. Luckily, that isn't happening to him because he's too good to allow it.
Will they? Thanks for the tip!
WTF are you on about, Novak is the only guy who beat Rafa consistently in majors and he is not of a different generation you clown.
He's won 10 but LOST 21 :lol:
Remember Federer lost to Rafa 5 times in a row TWICE :lol:
Here's another interesting thing for you to wrap your mind around, Nadal has NEVER lost to anyone 5 years younger than him.
objectivity
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it is Rafa's luck that nobody in young generation is
extremely talented or not doing enough work on
his game
from young guns I would pick JJ and dimitrov
they can trouble rafa more in next two years
can rafa beat them at 31 in major in successive
matches ?
I restate that rafa is more talented than nole JJ GD
but generation gap matters
fed beat murra and nole in succession at Winny 12 at
age of 31
can rafa do that at 31 ?
shows that he is less gifted player than fed
sorry for changing focus of discussion
The order please state who is more talented
fed or nadal and end discussion
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Nathaniel_Near
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It always makes me chuckle when I see people suggest that Safin or hell, even David NALBANDIAN, are more talented than the likes of Federer and by extension other similarly talented legends of the game such as McEnroe or Laver or Sampras.
Nalbandian made one Slam final in his entire career....
A guy like Fed had periods of winning Majors mainly off pure shot-making brilliance. What reasonable argumentation is there for suggesting Nalbandian or Safin are in the same category talent wise as some of the biggest tennis legends. At some point, winning has to count for something.
Federer and Nadal probably are the two most talented players of the last generation.
Nalbandian made one Slam final in his entire career....
A guy like Fed had periods of winning Majors mainly off pure shot-making brilliance. What reasonable argumentation is there for suggesting Nalbandian or Safin are in the same category talent wise as some of the biggest tennis legends. At some point, winning has to count for something.
Federer and Nadal probably are the two most talented players of the last generation.
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objectivity
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why not? they might have more natural talent but they don't take their careers as seriously? rather spend their time on talk shows and start developing pot bellies?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0iRFFssZ7Qo
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THUNDERVOLLEY
G.O.A.T.
We're talking about Federer--the man (according to his fans) who is the "most talented" (not to mention fantasy GOAT), so for one in a such a (imagined) position, the astoundingly weak H2H over an alleged "dirtballer"/inferior player illustrates the kind of failing of his combination of abilty. For all of his "talent," he could not translate the natural and intellectual--which are within the idea of talent--into figuring out the Nadal question/puzzle.
He could not elevate his game to prove dominance over the other greatest player of his generation.
THUNDERVOLLEY
G.O.A.T.
objectivity
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put it this way. suppose you actually have the greatest mathematical mind ever. lets just say you actually have the potential to understand analytical geometry better than anyone else. but, you were born to a poor neighborhood where to make ends meet, you simply had to quit school and work at macdonalds. you never had the chance to go to graduate school, and learn mathematics. technically you are probably more talented than Euler. but unfortunately due to the hand society dealt you, you are destined to be a burger flipper.
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monfed
Guest
Clearly you can't quite swallow the fact that Ralph moonballing Fed's BH is the reason he wins and the reason why he has the final say in the rallies. That's your problem not mine, DEAL.WITH.IT.
objectivity
Banned
erm, no. i have no problem with Nadal using heavy top spin shots to exploit federer's weaknesses. i call that tactical. you call that a "dirty ploy".
Tennis_Monk
Hall of Fame
Short answer is NO. I belong to the camp of 'Roger is GOAT but not most talented'.
Russeljones
Talk Tennis Guru
I think that's a bold statemet. I think Federer has a lot of imagination and tactically has a lot more weapons than his contemporaries. But tennis has been around for a lot longer than Roger Federer.
THUNDERVOLLEY
G.O.A.T.
If Federer failed to deal with so-called moonballing, then the only conclusion is that Federer could not translate his talent into a strategy/response to do what was necessary.
Sorana fan
Banned
Hmmmm 21 -10
Can we agree 21>10?
I think it's clear who most talented is
Can we agree 21>10?
I think it's clear who most talented is
Tennis_Monk
Hall of Fame
I thought the question was most talented across all players not just between Roger and Nadal.
Russeljones
Talk Tennis Guru
DeShaun
Banned
Devastating and clever.
ilovetennis212
Professional
302>102
Weeks of No.1 ranking
6>0
World tour final titles
77>59
Atp titles
24>17
Consecutive semi final in GS.
10>5
??? What is this
7>2
Wimbledon titles
5>1
Us open titles
4>1 australian open titles
Weeks of No.1 ranking
6>0
World tour final titles
77>59
Atp titles
24>17
Consecutive semi final in GS.
10>5
??? What is this
7>2
Wimbledon titles
5>1
Us open titles
4>1 australian open titles
tlm
G.O.A.T.
Great comparison.
Down_the_line
G.O.A.T.
I don't know why people even bother with threads like this. Nobody will ever reach a conclusion because this is such a subjective topic.
I think Federer is the most talented player to ever play the game and that is my opinion. To play the game with the grace and elegance and picture perfect technique he did while also hitting every stroke with such precision and pace and perfection takes more talent than any other player ever had.
Guys like Nadal and Djokovic are very talented players but they play very physical games and win a lot of points and matches overall with their superior athletic ability. Federer is also a superb athlete but he played so that he didn't have to have the speed and grinding defensive ability of Nadal. He controlled the points and simply glided around the court if he needed to.
I think Federer is the most talented player to ever play the game and that is my opinion. To play the game with the grace and elegance and picture perfect technique he did while also hitting every stroke with such precision and pace and perfection takes more talent than any other player ever had.
Guys like Nadal and Djokovic are very talented players but they play very physical games and win a lot of points and matches overall with their superior athletic ability. Federer is also a superb athlete but he played so that he didn't have to have the speed and grinding defensive ability of Nadal. He controlled the points and simply glided around the court if he needed to.
you have mistaken 24> 17
Down_the_line
G.O.A.T.
Thank you! It boggles my mind that people want to argue about who is the best ever when the facts are sitting there right in front of their noses.
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Laurie
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I don't think Federer is the most talented ever.
Making pronouncements on a tennis forum doesn't hold water, or convince everyone reading it that Federer is the most talented because someone made a prouncement.
Making pronouncements on a tennis forum doesn't hold water, or convince everyone reading it that Federer is the most talented because someone made a prouncement.
granddog29
Banned
Except that best ever is not just about Federer and Nadal. And there is no way to accurately compare stats to players before 1975 to players today for a slew of all too obvious reasons (though most of this forum being 8 or under and only having seen Federer, Nadal, Djokovic, and Murray play would mostly still not realize this).
