Does anybody know why Hingis doesn't play Singles?

kOaMaster

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It seems as if people in here forget what is necessary to be a top (singles) player: a lot of hard, really hard training. Talent is great but it won't do anything with you unless you work hard enough to use it.
Hingis may be quite competitive in doubles but her physical level is far away from anything to compete in singles.
I can't find the interview right now but I've read it several times that even she herself agrees with that and confirms that she wouldn't want to train that hard anymore.

These are worlds and she (who isn't and never was particularly physical) may never reach that at all by now. 35 in tennis years is old. Just because the ATP average top10-age has moved towards 30 doesn't mean that it's getting easier or the norm.
 

PDJ

G.O.A.T.
Isn't it all rather a moot point - she doesn't want to play on the singles tour. She only played Fed Cup singles to help out given injuries to others.
That said, does she still play the much less physical team tennis singles?
 

Adv. Edberg

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LOL,, Top 10 easily ???????? LOL. Not even top 50, maybe not even top 100. she can no longer move fast. and she will just get blown off the court
With 6 months of physical training she will get that back. She hits good, serves well, strong mentality and great experience. Her body is still young since she hasn't played singles for many, many years.

She would beat the likes of Bouchard and Radwanska.
 

PDJ

G.O.A.T.
LOL,, Top 10 easily ???????? LOL. Not even top 50, maybe not even top 100. she can no longer move fast. and she will just get blown off the court
Have you watched her play recently? Her movement is exceptional - you can possibly make an argument for any other part of her game declining (possibly) but not her movement.
 

Harry_Wild

G.O.A.T.
I think Hingus loves to be a champion! In playing singles, Hingus found the going to competitive for her to win a tournament, never mind a GS tournament the second and third times coming back from retirement! Hingus discover that she could not be a champion and found a reason to retire from single play and gracious retire without in her mind; damage her legacy of being a six time singles GS champion.
 

Nostradamus

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With 6 months of physical training she will get that back. She hits good, serves well, strong mentality and great experience. Her body is still young since she hasn't played singles for many, many years.

She would beat the likes of Bouchard and Radwanska.
LMAO,,,,Training.....?? LOL. Game has completely changed now. It is Power game even in WTA. You think Aga is doing fine, Aga only survives because she is fast, super fast, even then she gets blown off the court. and she handles this NEW power game. But Hingis does not handle these 115 MPH serves that most top pros in WTA have now...
 

mistik

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Who ever thinks Radwanska is better than Hingis at her best has no idea what they are talking about. Hingis always played amazing matches with the hard hitters and unlike the popular idea she didnt have terrible H2H against them either. Martina biggest problem used be her 2nd service she never had a problem from the baseline. She never had problem of hitting WİNNERS either. I am talking hingis at ther best.
 

PDJ

G.O.A.T.
LMAO,,,,Training.....?? LOL. Game has completely changed now. It is Power game even in WTA. You think Aga is doing fine, Aga only survives because she is fast, super fast, even then she gets blown off the court. and she handles this NEW power game. But Hingis does not handle these 115 MPH serves that most top pros in WTA have now...
This would make more sense had Radwanska not won her last two tournaments prior to the AO where she reached the semi final. And finished the last five years within the Top Ten. That doesn't suggest someone who's blown off the court that often. And it does point to the fact she's significantly better than the majority of big hitters, which is the majority of the WTA.
 

Adv. Edberg

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LMAO,,,,Training.....?? LOL. Game has completely changed now. It is Power game even in WTA. You think Aga is doing fine, Aga only survives because she is fast, super fast, even then she gets blown off the court. and she handles this NEW power game. But Hingis does not handle these 115 MPH serves that most top pros in WTA have now...
She handles men's serves just fine. Albeit doubles serves.

But a ATP doubles serve is like a top 5 WTA singles.
 
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PDJ

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She's too old to win in singles. Singles has many times the prize money as doubles and attracts insane competition.
It's good of you to think about Hingis earning more but I suspect she's doing OK. .... and already earnt more than those ranked outside the top twenty singles players this year.
seems doubles can be lucrative - if you do it well - at any age.
So rest easy :)
 

pirateofthecarribean

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It's good of you to think about Hingis earning more but I suspect she's doing OK. .... and already earnt more than those ranked outside the top twenty singles players this year.
seems doubles can be lucrative - if you do it well - at any age.
So rest easy :)
Look at the prize money. Singles is king. Martina earns more because she wins all the doubles slams. She cannot even get past 1R at singles. Singles competition is insane because of prize money.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_Open#Prize_money_and_trophies
 

PDJ

G.O.A.T.
Look at the prize money. Singles is king. Martina earns more because she wins all the doubles slams. She cannot even get past 1R at singles. Singles competition is insane because of prize money.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_Open#Prize_money_and_trophies
Going in to the AO Hingis was 12th highest earner of ALL women this year, regardless of discipline (some of those above her play both singles and doubles). Hingis won't starve.
And draw dependent, she probably would get through most first rounds of singles should she choose to commit/train. BUT she doesn't want to. And why on earth should she? Her CV is already pretty spectacular and she's always adding to it of late.
Yay Martina!
 
While I don't follow the women's game as much, here's what I can come up with:
1. Her age (35 as of today)
2. Her physique. If you look at most of the top player's today they're very strong physically. Martina just doesn't fit that mold.
4. The game she played during her prime just doesn't carry over well to today's modern game. She'd simply be over-powered by the likes of Serena, Shazza and Vika.
5. Personally, I don't think she wants the spotlight that comes with singles. Given her successful past, this would inevitably be brought up.
 

CYGS

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Haters? Gee you sure love throwing that word around don't you. I don't hate Djokovic at all, but I hate delusional, obsessed and idiotic fanatics like yourself.
Not talking about you, talking about other threads with no trolling intent but which were flooded with haters who did nothing but insult all Djokovic fans - then they had to get removed. So at some point I just stopped creating new threads about Djokovic.
 

Nostradamus

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This would make more sense had Radwanska not won her last two tournaments prior to the AO where she reached the semi final. And finished the last five years within the Top Ten. That doesn't suggest someone who's blown off the court that often. And it does point to the fact she's significantly better than the majority of big hitters, which is the majority of the WTA.
Reality check, Hingis is NO where near as fast as Aga. maybe when Hingis was 20 years old but Not now.
 

70後

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Hingis hasn't lost any speed. For the simple reason that she never particularly had speed or quickness around the court to begin with, even in her best singles years. Nor power, nor mentality, nor fitness, nor hard work, nor endurance, nor resilience to injury, etc everything that are core requirements now. She wasn't an aggressive counterattacker like Kerber, not a defender like a Radwanska or Wozniacki. She was a finesse shotmaker who could make lots of nice shots but to which there was a limit when she played Graf back then or any of the power hitters Linday/Serena/Venus a little later on.

Serena, Venus etc all got much better with the power hitting doctrine. They didn't have much control in the early years. Which is why Hingis has decent h2h with them.

I've always been a Hingis fan actually since 1996. A realistic one. I know what she can't do. In 2009 when she had served her sentence and done her time, I wanted her to come back immediately to singles. That was the one window when she might have gone back to maybe a top 50 thing. The Woz years of 2010 and 2011 when everybody at the top seemed injured or out or something else. Hingis kept hanging around because I can sense her regret over 1999 French from her interviews. She knows she should have won that match. She played Legends doubles until it was embarrassing to watch her beating up older women with Davenport like Austin or Schett who were just in for a laugh. I said back then she should just get her butt back into main draw doubles which she FINALLY did after wasting years in Legends. Now she has her niche and place in doubles and is happy. I'm glad she's happy finally.
 

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btw, Radwanska is super fit actually, besides being super fast. She can tough out the standard long hard matches of today with the best of them. Hingis was never good at that. It is only the obvious one who blows Radwanska away time after time.
 

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^^^ it's about as good as it ever has been. She never had much of a serve.
 
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SystemicAnomaly

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... But Hingis does not handle these 115 MPH serves that most top pros in WTA have now...
Are you sure about that? Hingis and Leander Paes won all the mixed doubles slams last year except for the French (where the serve is less of a factor anyway). She would have been a liability if she couldn't handle the serves of the opposing men.
 

Nostradamus

Bionic Poster
Are you sure about that? Hingis and Leander Paes won all the mixed doubles slams last year except for the French (where the serve is less of a factor anyway). She would have been a liability if she couldn't handle the serves of the opposing men.
Lets admit it man,,,,if Hingis for one second thought she could compete and matter in Singles, she would have made efforts to compete in the singles. Singles is where all the glamour and important stuff that matter are at........dude
 

70後

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Discipline and working out until you have a tummy like Giorgi or legs like Kerber or Li or guns like Stosur. You have to get ripped to even begin to talk now. Look at the Carlos hell camp Li Na put herself through. Don't tell me Hingis would or ever could stand one moment of that.

Fine, put Hingis in Carlo's camp for 6 months. Lendl's dungeon for another 6. If she makes it back out, I will say she can get back in top 10.

Henin, I feel, ruined herself working too hard. Look at her appearance now. She was never big. But she seems to be half the size she once was and I'm really sorry to say, broken.

As for age, have we conveniently forgotten Venus and her illness still managed to get back into top 10 last year?
 

DRII

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Discipline and working out until you have a tummy like Giorgi or legs like Kerber or Li or guns like Stosur. You have to get ripped to even begin to talk now. Look at the Carlos hell camp Li Na put herself through. Don't tell me Hingis would or ever could stand one moment of that.

Fine, put Hingis in Carlo's camp for 6 months. Lendl's dungeon for another 6. If she makes it back out, I will say she can get back in top 10.

Henin, I feel, ruined herself working too hard. Look at her appearance now. She was never big. But she seems to be half the size she once was and I'm really sorry to say, broken.

As for age, have we conveniently forgotten Venus and her illness still managed to get back into top 10 last year?
amazing effort, isn't it!

but Hingis never had the athletic ability of a Venus Williams, no matter how hard she worked...
 

SystemicAnomaly

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Lets admit it man,,,,if Hingis for one second thought she could compete and matter in Singles, she would have made efforts to compete in the singles. Singles is where all the glamour and important stuff that matter are at........dude
I don't need to admit anything of the sort. It was her decision to retire from singles in her early 20s (in 2002) because of injuries and chronic pain. She also experienced something of a mental melt-down sometime earlier (1999) after a 1st round round loss to Dokic at W.

Even as an active singles player, Martina had a reputation for not putting in a lot of hours practicing. Don't know if this because of her injuries or not. When she was playing at a Stanford tournament, I recall reading a quote from a coach or hitting partner that she wasn't interested in practicing tennis much more than an hour or so. He indicated that she seemed to be more interested in riding horses than she was in extended tennis practice.

Her decision not to return to singles play on the WTA tour could have been a combination of injury/pain and an unwillingness to put in long hours to keep up with the rise of the power hitters in women's singles (like Davenport, Pierce, Capriati and the Williams sisters).
 
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Hingis h2h with the power hitters doesn't tell much of the story. h2h's I've generally come to view with a lot of suspicion and distrust. I don't automatically assume that what they are saying on the surface of it is true. Some h2h's look better than they actually are. Some look very lopsided but matches could be very competitive.

Take Serena. See a match like that Montreal 2000 with Serena to see how their matches would go. Of course Hingis has "exquisite touch." But then, hardly unique. Wouldn't help if you don't get to touch the ball at all. In those days of an early version of Serena, she would hit a lot of winners and also even more mistakes, mistakes that she will never make now. Then it was always all on Serena's racquet to use the old cliche, it was all about Serena winning and all about Serena losing. Matches with her even then were usually mostly out of Hingis' control, one way or another. I wouldn't like to see Hingis play Serena in a slam singles now.

Talent like Hingis is only ONE thing needed now. The whole preparation of an elite player to play now takes a war effort with tons of staff and dedication. The teen prodigies can't jump up the mountain in one step like they used to.

Because the mountain is very very much higher than before. That also explains to me why older players are at the top on both the mens and womens side, why Kerber, Li, Schiavone, Stosur are all apparent late bloomers - it just took much much longer to climb up there and reach the summit. Of course, if your body can't take it, you fall off along the way.

IMO, Hingis actually moves just as well as she ever did. Her age doesn't tell the stage her body is really at.

The Legends doubles farces showed that she had NO business competing like it was the main draw against old broken down women truly only shadows of themselves only there for a hit and giggle.

But she can only handle half a court and a doubles alley now.

Maybe it isn't because she has lost anything physically but because what was a full court in 1997, is only worth half a court now.

I'm not trying to trash Hingis. Only saying things have moved on a lot. Even the best of her then isn't good enough now.
 

tennisaddict

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Discipline and working out until you have a tummy like Giorgi or legs like Kerber or Li or guns like Stosur. You have to get ripped to even begin to talk now. Look at the Carlos hell camp Li Na put herself through. Don't tell me Hingis would or ever could stand one moment of that.

Fine, put Hingis in Carlo's camp for 6 months. Lendl's dungeon for another 6. If she makes it back out, I will say she can get back in top 10.

Henin, I feel, ruined herself working too hard. Look at her appearance now. She was never big. But she seems to be half the size she once was and I'm really sorry to say, broken.

As for age, have we conveniently forgotten Venus and her illness still managed to get back into top 10 last year?
Kerber/Giorgi/Stosur lack the talent that Hingis have and have to make up for it by conditioning to develop other strengths .

Venus has all kinds of problems. Pretty sure she is spending less than half the time in fitness as before. And she is top 8. Enough said. Players with talent will always find ways.

Those who lack talent need to work on other things.
 

Dolgopolov85

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Hingis hasn't lost any speed. For the simple reason that she never particularly had speed or quickness around the court to begin with, even in her best singles years. Nor power, nor mentality, nor fitness, nor hard work, nor endurance, nor resilience to injury, etc everything that are core requirements now. She wasn't an aggressive counterattacker like Kerber, not a defender like a Radwanska or Wozniacki. She was a finesse shotmaker who could make lots of nice shots but to which there was a limit when she played Graf back then or any of the power hitters Linday/Serena/Venus a little later on.

Serena, Venus etc all got much better with the power hitting doctrine. They didn't have much control in the early years. Which is why Hingis has decent h2h with them.

I've always been a Hingis fan actually since 1996. A realistic one. I know what she can't do. In 2009 when she had served her sentence and done her time, I wanted her to come back immediately to singles. That was the one window when she might have gone back to maybe a top 50 thing. The Woz years of 2010 and 2011 when everybody at the top seemed injured or out or something else. Hingis kept hanging around because I can sense her regret over 1999 French from her interviews. She knows she should have won that match. She played Legends doubles until it was embarrassing to watch her beating up older women with Davenport like Austin or Schett who were just in for a laugh. I said back then she should just get her butt back into main draw doubles which she FINALLY did after wasting years in Legends. Now she has her niche and place in doubles and is happy. I'm glad she's happy finally.
Great comment and cannot agree more. At CTL even Svitolina had figured her out by the end and Watson would have beaten her had she not leaked errors. And, of course, if it had been a 3 setter. Even by today's WTA standards, Hingis's serve is a real liability. Players are just going to take a big cut at it and make return winners.
 

tacou

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I'm sure it's been brought up already, but Hingis herself has said she's not up for it. Any reasoning or hypotheticals beyond that are pointless.
She doesn't want to and doesn't believe she can.
 

PDJ

G.O.A.T.
I'm not trying to trash Hingis. Only saying things have moved on a lot. Even the best of her then isn't good enough now.
But the best of her now, is (with Mirza) the best of the best.

Also, she didn't have it all her own way in the legends doubles - Austin and Rinaldi beat she and Kournikova at Wimbledon.
But, yes, generally, she was much better than everyone else. Even the more recently retired, not just the legends of yesteryear.
 

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Now, things like WTT or Legends or what not, she took VERY VERY SERIOUSLY. Like it was GS main draw. But the other way round.....

Of course in something like WTT, regular players are just trying to not harm themselves too much.

Core stuff : super fitness, super speed, super resilience. All that she always lacked. And super strength and super mentality.

All the finesse - or power - for that matter is worthless if you can't do anything with the ball because you don't have the speed to get there and the endurance to keep getting there.

I feel justified to say top players now are 10x her old level. Had she kept training and playing like a current player, it would be a different story.
 

edmondsm

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If she only plays dubs then the testers won't bother her. Gets to play tennis and use cocaine as she pleases.
 

Big_Dangerous

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It seems as if people in here forget what is necessary to be a top (singles) player: a lot of hard, really hard training. Talent is great but it won't do anything with you unless you work hard enough to use it.
Hingis may be quite competitive in doubles but her physical level is far away from anything to compete in singles.
I can't find the interview right now but I've read it several times that even she herself agrees with that and confirms that she wouldn't want to train that hard anymore.

These are worlds and she (who isn't and never was particularly physical) may never reach that at all by now. 35 in tennis years is old. Just because the ATP average top10-age has moved towards 30 doesn't mean that it's getting easier or the norm.
True that, although it's probably that way because a lot of these guys have been there for a while and so far none of the young guns have been able to knock many of them out at real high rate, nor have they been able to consistently stay in the top 10. Plus it's an era where we've got 3 of the best of all time the sport has to offer, and some honorable mentions thrown in the mix as well.
 

MLRoy

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If she only plays dubs then the testers won't bother her. Gets to play tennis and use cocaine as she pleases.
Sounds perfect to me. That'll teach her for not tipping. The others get away with it for some reason.
 
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