Does anyone care about clay season?

GRASScaraz said:
Can't wait for Rune to own Prime Sinner on clay
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Not really Without Nadal at full force it’s like fighting for the outhouse prize. Clay isn’t the same unless you’re going “I wonder if someone can take out Nadal this year”. Last year we just got cramps and djokovic playing ehh decent and still winning the thing

I figure Carlos will most likely win RG but interested to see what strides sinner makes on clay this year. And LOL Carlos will already have almost a career slam at 20 if he wins RG. Good lord homogenization


The whole thing about RG was who could get through the gauntlet and they face the Final Boss Nadal
 
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TheGoldenEra1990’s said:
Not really Without Nadal at full force it’s like fighting for the outhouse prize. Clay isn’t the same unless you’re going “I wonder if someone can take out Nadal this year”. Last year we just got cramps and djokovic playing ehh decent and still winning the thing

I figure Carlos will most likely win RG but interested to see what strides sinner makes on clay this year. And LOL Carlos will already have almost a career slam at 20 if he wins RG. Good lord homogenization
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But the Hitman fan denies this and does not accept that Nadal's level is the exact barometer to determine whether the clay tour is strong or not.
It is no coincidence to determine that the Serbian player has won his 3 RG titles when the Spanish player's level was low (2016, 2021) or he was absent (2023) on the clay tour.
Denying it is synonymous with being hypocritical!
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BeatlesFan said:
But remember you said yesterday, "Rafa was the only one that could stop Prime Sinner on clay. There's no one to save the tour now." ;)
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I'm too worried about Holger inconsistency and losing to journeymen at start of tournament. If he goes deep then he could stop Sinner (also needs to avoid Medvedev)
 
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Rattie said:
Love the clay. Far too much hard court for my liking.
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It's a shame that the tour is not more equitable with the percentage of tournaments on the three main tennis surfaces.
But in business, the power of earning more income with as little maintenance as possible, prevails in the sport of racquet.
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I guess I'm just spectating lol. But that goes for the whole tour no matter the surface. As long as Novak doesn't win anything, I have no stakes in the game and don't really care who wins events. Go.... everybody :D
 
DSH said:
But the Hitman fan denies this and does not accept that Nadal's level is the exact barometer to determine whether the clay tour is strong or not.
It is no coincidence to determine that the Serbian player has won his 3 RG titles when the Spanish player's level was low (2016, 2021) or he was absent (2023) on the clay tour.
Denying it is synonymous with being hypocritical!
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It’s like taking Gannon away from Zelda or Shao Khan and Shang Tsung away from mortal kombat. There’s no real final boss and ultimate surface GOAT of GOATs anymore to conquer Makes it far less prestigious now IMO. Nadal was the supreme measuring stick. Now it’s possible any old mug can win
 
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That’s another thing too. We never got a clay torch passing moment. From one final boss to the next. Nadal basically retired as champ LOL. We kind of got that Djoker-sinner torch pass at AO, Sampras to Fed Wimbledon and Fed to Djoker Wimbledon. No torching passing on clay
 
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TheGoldenEra1990’s said:
That’s another thing too. We never got a clay torch passing moment. From one final boss to the next. Nadal basically retired as champ LOL. We kind of got that Djoker-sinner torch pass at AO and Fed to Djoker Wimbledon. No torching passing on clay
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It was too late for Nadal to pass the torch on clay years ago lol. He could have lost in like 2019 And I wouldn't have called it that
 
MichaelNadal said:
It was too late for Nadal to pass the torch on clay years ago lol. He could have lost in like 2019 And I wouldn't have called it that
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Nadal should have won at least 16 Roland Garros titles and more titles on clay but his own body was his sword of Damocles.
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Love this swing -- the game on clay and the cities.

Plus as a huge Iga fan, it's an especially fun time of year.
 
DSH said:
Is she going to surpass Chris Evert's RG title record in your opinion?
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Very hard to say. 3 of the last 4 and still just 22. 6 should be very doable, 8 of anything is HARD.

Plus I also don't know if she's someone who will play a long time vs. do a Barty.

(Plus Chrissie has a big * since she would've won more RGs has she not be forbidden from play a few years during her peak)
 
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MichaelNadal said:
It was too late for Nadal to pass the torch on clay years ago lol. He could have lost in like 2019 And I wouldn't have called it that
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You are very right. Nadal in 2018 won his 11th Roland Garros.
Fed Djokovic and Stan won 1 each. All were post 30 and older than anyone who gets torch passed.

While Thiem was almost a decade younger than Nadal, he is a joke. Didn't even win a single clay masters so him winning is not possible.

Only possibility was if djokovic beat him in 2014 and then won 2014/15/16. Then it could be passing of the torch. But Djokovic was incapable of beating Nadal in 2014 and Stan in 2015.
 
Connor35 said:
Very hard to say. 3 of the last 4 and still just 22. 6 should be very doable, 8 of anything is HARD.

Plus I also don't know if she's someone who will play a long time vs. do a Barty.

(Plus Chrissie has a big * since she would've won more RGs has she not be forbidden from play a few years during her peak)
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Yes, she would have won at least 10 titles on French soil and would have made the record even more difficult for new generations.
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I love the clay court season. It shows you who has the brains, stamina, and power. It pushes you beyond your limits and exposes your weaknesses more.
If you're a player who switches from hard to clay you truly understand it's more challenging on clay due to longer points and strategy.
Yes, I'm older so of course I would say this ^^
 
TheGoldenEra1990’s said:
That’s another thing too. We never got a clay torch passing moment. From one final boss to the next. Nadal basically retired as champ LOL. We kind of got that Djoker-sinner torch pass at AO, Sampras to Fed Wimbledon and Fed to Djoker Wimbledon. No torching passing on clay
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The RG 2022 SF kinda felt like it would be (Alcaraz-Nadal) but then Carlos had to lose to freaking Zverev
 
@Kralingen what kind of results do you predict for Sinner this clay season?

I hope he channels his Inner Rublev 2022 4R killer game. He should win a masters
 
I'd be a little more excited if Rafa were healthy, but there are still plenty of compelling players - and lots of storylines.
And I do enjoy clay court tennis, itself.

Even if Rafa is out...and I still hold out some hope for RG, you have Novak, Alcaraz and Sinner at the top tier, a second tier (subjective) of Med, Zed, possibly Tsitsi, Ruud, Rune, and some interesting guys on the third tier as well. Not too bad.

Iga has the inside track for women, but it's not a foregone conclusion that she'll capture RG, let alone sweep all the tourneys she enters.
 
dking68 said:
@Kralingen what kind of results do you predict for Sinner this clay season?

I hope he channels his Inner Rublev 2022 4R killer game. He should win a masters
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No idea. That’s the thing. He appears to be the top contender at the moment but he disappoints during clay season usually. He has the game but does he have the physicality?
 
Kralingen said:
No idea. That’s the thing. He appears to be the top contender at the moment but he disappoints during clay season usually. He has the game but does he have the physicality?
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I think he’ll win a clay masters. If Zverev can do it, and Z is less talented than Sinner, I believe he can.

Also believe he can make a SF/F at RG. And yes, I don’t think he’ll win RG. It’s not impossible but I can’t see it happening. He’ll make a final max, if he’s the second seed and on the opposite half of the draw to Alcaraz
 
The Blond Blur said:
The European CC season along with the NA HC season are my two favorite times of the year as far as the ATP calendar goes. They feel like the most cohesive periods throughout the entire year since we have two proper “seasons” culminating into GS events. Contrast that to the AO where we have a couple of Mickey Mouse events leading up to it, and Wimby where the grass season is over before you know it.
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Precisely why the AO still trails the other 3 slams prestige wise, its just a bit of a lottery because there is no real lead up period. Same can be said for Wimbledon, but it is Lawn Tennis ultimately and Wimbledon is the oldest most historic event so has a sort of protected status, but i feel like you do, i love this time of year and the North American HC swing. I do love Indian wells though and would love that to be officially recognised as a slam event.
 
DSH said:
But the Hitman fan denies this and does not accept that Nadal's level is the exact barometer to determine whether the clay tour is strong or not.
It is no coincidence to determine that the Serbian player has won his 3 RG titles when the Spanish player's level was low (2016, 2021) or he was absent (2023) on the clay tour.
Denying it is synonymous with being hypocritical!
:censored:
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I'm a fan of myself?

You got that right.

And, 24 > 22.

:)
 
messiahrobins said:
Funny that as for many 22 wasn't greater than 20 as there were asterisks..............
Karma i guess is a thing really.
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I guess everyone needs to own it and move on.

Ultimately it is 24>22, unless either one adds more.

Great champions, both of them though. Federer too.
 
Hitman said:
I guess everyone needs to own it and move on.

Ultimately it is 24>22, unless either one adds more.

Great champions, both of them though. Federer too.
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It is a shame asterisks were introduced to muddy the waters really. Oh well, c'est la vie i guess. Be blessed we witnessed the Big 3 in their pomp.
 
messiahrobins said:
It is a shame asterisks were introduced to muddy the waters really. Oh well, c'est la vie i guess. Be blessed we witnessed the Big 3 in their pomp.
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And its a shame that many are struggling to own it, and want to bring in context, when before simply using a variation of 24>22 and telling people to move on was the way to go.

Big 3 were fantastic, but lets move on from these dinosaurs and get some fresh meat in here now.
 
Hitman said:
And its a shame that many are struggling to own it, and want to bring in context, when before simply using a variation of 24>22 and telling people to move on was the way to go.

Big 3 were fantastic, but lets move on from these dinosaurs and get some fresh meat in here now.
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I agree...the asterisked and context started Feb 2022 really which is a shame.
Agree again, the Big 3 were special, legends, and icons and all that, but their time has obviously passed, the new meat is here and it is damn tasty meat too, Sinner and Alcaraz are delicious no question.
 
messiahrobins said:
I agree...the asterisked and context started Feb 2022 really which is a shame.
Agree again, the Big 3 were special, legends, and icons and all that, but their time has obviously passed, the new meat is here and it is damn tasty meat too, Sinner and Alcaraz are delicious no question.
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24>22 is the best way to address the doubters and complainers of these two legends. All 46 slams, as legit as they come. (y)

Alcaraz will win RG. I predict he knocks out Djokovic on his way to the title.
 
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