Discussion in 'Tennis Tips/Instruction' started by Meaghan, Sep 13, 2009.
I have this grip, its an extreme western both fore and back.
Any comments and thoughts on it?
i kinda do i think i use a semi western for forehand and for 1hbackhand i use extreme backhand grip. i might make a slight adjustment if i want to drive the ball more flatly
I have thought about this before your post. so you are using the same side of the racquet to hit, like a ping pong player. The grips seems a little extreme for me, and I would think that you would have a hard time on low balls and driving shots.
Do you hit the ball on the same side of the racquet face?
Mcenroe does not change his grip much at all.
To make it clearer I mean I dont have to change grip. Its fine during rallies and yes I do struggle against guys who hit low sliders all the time. My main problem tho is return of serve (hard 1st) I do have to change grip as its a shorter stroke.
alberto beratesegui had a hawaiin grip which is a semi western backhand and a super extreme western western. How he hit that forehand without breaking his arm I dont know!
I think Alex Clayton does
I hit a the same forehand and 2 handed backhand grip (very extreme western forehand, back of my hand showing when I hit the ball), really works well for me. Really cuts down on the grip change problem for returning serve. I do hit the ball on the same side of the racquet every time.
Really the only problem with the grip is getting enough "plow through" on the forehand side, it becomes very easy to whip up on the ball a la Rafa.
However, be careful with this extreme of a forehand grip (the backhand isn't really that extreme). If you catch a lot of balls late, you can put a lot of undue stress on your wrist and end up with a triangular fibrocartilage tear (no fun, and lots of rehab, along with having to learn a new grip).
About the returning serve problem, you really just have to be sure to start the swing low. If you change to the short swing, but just try to swing in a flat plane, you end up driving into the ground. It can take a little getting used to, but you really can get to hit some very strong returns with this grip with practice.
If the technique is solid, and you pay attention, this grip setup can be very effective and lead you to great improvement.
I am actually of the camp that thinks that is great. Why change grips if you dont have to especially if you are using Extreme grips.
Sort of like the Continental for volleys.
I wouldn't care too much if others do that or not. You definetly have an advantage especially in service returns. I say go for it.
Careful, BreakPoint will crucify you for using the same side of the racket for forehands and backhand. He won't come up with any arguments, but he has so many posts and alternate accounts that he will find massive support.
Hahaha, let him.
Only slight problem, which can be overcome, is when you face the strong slicer/dicer dudes, who hit everything under/sidespun, and you're digging balls from around your shins every time. You overcome that by hitting HARDER and stronger, more forcing shots, of course.
Why would using one side of your racket face be such a problem?
When I get lazy against an easy opponent I'll just play a Continental grip and hit flat or slice on backhand. No big deal.
sorry Rob i should have made myself clearer Im talking about extreme grips here, every joe bloggs can play with a continental grip.
Looked on YouTube and it seems like he does, although it is hard to tell.
There were several big threads in the past where BP got into large arguments involving that. His point (which seemed like nonsense to me) was something about using the same side of the face requiring the player to rotate their arm in a way that would cause injury. In fact, when I saw this thread title, I clicked on it expecting to see him in here making the same argument. I was literally thinking "here we go again" as I clicked on it.
Same argument as usual from BP. Federer and Sampras didn't do this, and they won lots of slams, therefore it's incorrect technique and "prevents you from developing an effective all-court game", I think that's what he said.
I've actually thought about doing this. My top spin backhand grip is very very close to being exactly like my forehand grip. I've tried it and it feels weird.
I may use one grip to play FH and BH topspin shots so dont have to change grip for that but I change grip for volleys, slice etc etc. In fact I prob change grip less than fed or sampras so wouldnt that aid an all court game?
Also Im very double jointed and it doesnt feel like Im hurting wy wrist or straining my arm, it just feels natural to do that, in fact changing grip from fore to back when you can hit that shot seems foolish.
Liverpudlians do, what Essexians don't
They hit on one side, no casual affront
They fracture their grammar,
They slur, they stammer,
Queen's English isn't so easily said
By those who hit on one side of a Head
hmm i don't really understand this.
wouldn't be somewhat be like a inverse forehand? because the palm of your hand is facing the net, no?
Ha ha I lived not far from Essex in Ware not so long ago and we could easily change around the first line.
Im from south Liverpool, our accent is a little more gutteral and in fact when I was at a few parties in Essex the accent went down quite well. Posh scouse is actually quite a nice sound (MaGann bros etc).
Just hold the racket in a full western so that your racket face is parallel to the floor and the angle for backhand and forehand is the same. It takes a high starting loopy swingstyle. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8AJYfkJ4hc
Guga had a full western backhand and forehand and he also changed grip for both http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xW2He3mWk-g&feature=related
I suppose this is the question Im asking myself..... I changed grip from one to the other not unlike what Guga is doing in the vid. I still do it sometimes automatically but Im trying not to as I think all Im doing is turning the grip to the opposite side and using the other side of the racket face but with the same backhand grip as I do when I dont change grips.
All thats changing is the racket face side Im hitting the ball on. Why waste the time changing the grip, why dont more players who use extreme grips not do this? Or is it borne from having less extreme grips when they were younger so we needed to change grips constantly? Or maybe their backhand grip is just slightly less extreme?
Why don't more players do what you suggest?
Some folks actually serve and volley...still.
The Continental grip is by far the most universal, IMHO.
Sorry Robert you are definitaly missing the point!
This is a ground stroke issue moving from forehand to backhand and visa versa. It has nothing to do with serving and volleying.
I serve and volley all the time and use a continental to volley and an open eastern to serve. This does not preclude that I use extreme grips for groundstrokes.
Do you think I just play one grip all the time???
So, you change grip for:
3. Return of serve;
4. Ground strokes?
What point am I missing? That you like to use as many grips as humanly possible? Or, you like using the same grip for forehand and backhand?
I think you've complicated things unduly, but, hey, it's your game! Whatever works. But, this may be why you don't get invited to many parties!!! You need to GET A GRIP.
Looking at the swingweight of your racquet, you should be using two hands!
Oh Robert read the initial post again mate..........maybe you've had a few wines. The highlighted is what the threads about.
It may seem high but its only 7g of lead at 12" in the hoop. It raises SW significantly.
Im quite a big fella and have no problems with such SW, in fact most pros are in that region and there is certainly something about static weight and SW relationships for certain swing types and the ability to consistently time the ball.
Before people get on my back, Im not advocating Im anything like a pro tennis player, but Im 6"3 180lbs, fit and can play with this racket for a few hours before I become tired.
1. yes...open eastern/continental grip (depends on flat heavy serve/slice or kick)
3&4. no...extreme western fore and back
I think you'll find a lot of players will change grips for all these different situations.
I tried using the same grip for both forehand and backhand but it felt to awkward
And there in lies the real reason people don't change. It is awkward and it isn't a big enough deal to make the switch.
oh. when i first started out playing this was how i switched from forehand to backhand. heh. but i was using an eastern grip then. so my wrist had to contort rather weirdly. until i realised i should turn the racket instead.
but i just tried holding a western forehand. seems rather natural to hit a backahnd this way though.
jimmy connors uses the continental for his fh and bh, so he doesnt change at all.
Probably shouldn't mess with it. If you're already comfortable switching back and forth between the grips you use, then I don't see much of a reason to change anything.
I think that Jimmy Conners did this too.
Just for some clarification, I don't really think continental is what the OP is talking about. Going continental on both FH/BH is very traditional in tennis, even relatively recently with guys like McEnroe.
The OP is talking about something like having a full Western forehand and an Eastern one-handed backhand, and hitting both of those without changing his hand's position on the racquet. Which means doing things like hitting a forehand, and then hitting a backhand with the same side of the racquet face. Which is, safe to say, much less traditional.
I agree with BB and others that this is an acceptable method. If it works for you, then why not?
You mean rotating the racquet instead of the hand when moving from the FH to the BH? Sounds a bit awkward...
I used to do this with a SW FH and Extreme Eastern one hander.
Felt alright for groundstrokes, but I was having problems with the return.
It's just SW FH and Eastern BH now. I edge a little bit to the right of continental while returning serve.
Thanks fitzroy you're right, if you read my intro Im talking extreme grips here. Everyone learns to play continental, its no big deal.
Just to highlight the 'eastern' above, Ive got a FW forehand that is exactly on the same plane as my backhand.
Say you were holding the racket in a continental grip then keep the grip the same but move the racket face from parallel to the net to parallel the floor so that forehand and backhand are hit at the same angle either side.
I'll do some pics of it when I get chance......
Yes, and with a Continental you are hitting on both sides of the racquet face. With the Western/Full Eastern backhand setup, you would end up hitting on the same side as the racquet by sort of performing a "windshield wiping motion" to hit a forehand or backhand.
The skuttle-butt response to this is that you end up shortening the lifespan of your racquet since you hit only on one side. So let us think about this statement for a second.
1. Who is to determine that even if I hit on the same side of the racquet on one rally that I do the same the next? If I turn the handle to the opposite panel on the handle, aren't I hitting on a different side?
2. Where is the study performed that hitting on the same side shortens the lifespan of the racquet? Even if there is, why would it matter? Are we that concerned about the racquets well being? Or can the player just go get another racquet new or used?
3. For those that believe the Continental is the more effcient grip (compared to Easterns) for volleys because it eliminates or significantly reduces grip changes during an exchange, why wouldn't it be okay for a player to not have to change grip during groundstrokes and return of serves?
well, if I did not intepret wrongly, the backhand in this case is the end of the forehand WW follow through right (at the point where the dominant arm touches the shoulder)?
In a nutshell and without getting picky and technical, yes.
yes i agree...:neutral:
I do this a lot. Semi-western or full western forehand and eastern or semi western backhand. Just depends on the point, but I will often just flip the racquet over, make a slight adjustment and hit with the same side of the racquet. I do spin the racquet sometimes after I hit a forehand though so it's not always the same side of the racquet every time I hit the ball lol.
I started out this way because it was just easier for me to flip the racquet over then it was to twist the racquet and re-locate the correct grip. The habit just kind of stuck with me over the years. But like others have said, why switch grips all the time if you don't have to. It's just as easy if not easier to just keep the same grip, go to a neutral "ready" position, and then go back to your FH or BH side without moving your grip at all.
I have always wondered that myself.
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