Does Chris Evert have a legitimate case to be the GOAT
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You don't have to think Evert is the GOAT to believe she has a legitimate case though. Would you say for instance Graf doesn't have a legitimate case for instance just because you think it is Navratilova (I highly that, especialy as I am sure you are aware more people think Graf is than think Navratilova is, despite your opinion).
So you can still believe Evert has a legitimate case to be the GOAT, even if you don't believe she is the GOAT. The two are not one and the same.
I believe Evert does have a legitimate case as the female GOAT. She was the most consistent player in history, so that is already something you can build a possible argument around. She also holds the Open Era (shared at one) at two different slams, the only one to do so.
I don't believe she is the GOAT. I would rank her probably only 4th or 5th in fact behind Graf, Serena, Navratilova, and possibly Court and/or Wills. I do believe you could make a legitimate case though if you wanted to, and it wouldn't be wrong.
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Chris Evert OWES absolutely NOTHING to Tracy Austin in terms of Evert's legacy. NOTHING!
Tell me about the last time Evert and Austin played. Do tell.
MatsPhilander
Legend
How does Evert owe a lot to Austin? She was only around as a serious player for 4 years or so. Her 'legend enhancing' was mostly from her battles with Martina over a decade & Goolagong.
kiki
Banned
Austin was dominating her, inflicting her 6-1,6-2, 6-0 and so wonders when Evert found a way to turn that backwards and reverse the trend
Tracy was the one and only player that broke Evert´s 125 consecutive cc matches record at the 1979 Rome Open.But Tracy did not attend the 1979 and 1980 FO ( where she´d be heavily favoured to win) because of her serious intelectual aspirations as she had exams all through the month of May/June and elected not to play.
There was a mistery about the 1980 USO sf, a definite crossroads, toss up for Evert´s career that miraculously Chris won against Tracy after losing the first set.Score went 4-6, 6-1, 6-1.That boosted Evert for ten, yes, ten more years of career.
Tracy was the one and only player that broke Evert´s 125 consecutive cc matches record at the 1979 Rome Open.But Tracy did not attend the 1979 and 1980 FO ( where she´d be heavily favoured to win) because of her serious intelectual aspirations as she had exams all through the month of May/June and elected not to play.
There was a mistery about the 1980 USO sf, a definite crossroads, toss up for Evert´s career that miraculously Chris won against Tracy after losing the first set.Score went 4-6, 6-1, 6-1.That boosted Evert for ten, yes, ten more years of career.
MatsPhilander
Legend
This is a bit of a stretch.
Kiki, there was always going to be a 'first' to break a streak. If Austin hadn't, well Jaeger, or Mandlikoa or Navratilova or Garrison or Maleeva might have. They all beat her subsequently on a clay court. You can't put monumental meaning on that clay loss. That happened to be the moment, and the opponent Evert cracked and faltered under. And it certainly speaks well of Austin's courage and determination that she competed so well. It did not shoot Austin into a predominant queen of clay status. Had they both played the French, Austin would have been seen as potential trouble, a possible landmine in the draw, but not the odds on favorite, by any means. Evert almost always beat opponents she had just recently lost to, as she did the very next time they played each other. You overdramatize.
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kiki
Banned
For the good history trasmission to younger generations that have a gen
uine interest in those years, I think my duty is to really portray the atmosphere, reality and background of what was truly happening, both on and off court.
I think it is worthy.
Based on that, Tracy Austin was MOST DEFINITELY the biggest influence on Chris Evert career, at least her second half.Just a bit below coach daddy Jimmy
uine interest in those years, I think my duty is to really portray the atmosphere, reality and background of what was truly happening, both on and off court.
I think it is worthy.
Based on that, Tracy Austin was MOST DEFINITELY the biggest influence on Chris Evert career, at least her second half.Just a bit below coach daddy Jimmy
Was that supposed to be a rebuttal?
kiki
Banned
Not at all.I suposse complementary info
Kiki you don't have your monopoly on truth.
pc1
G.O.A.T.
To be honest Martina Navratilova may have been the biggest influence on Evert in that Evert had to raise her game, train more, and switch racquets to compete. When Evert beat Navratilova for the French I think in 1985 she may have said or hinted that win alone give her the confidence to play longer. Austin was a great player and would be tough for anyone to play.
The five victories that I think meant the most to Evert's career were probably her victory over Court in 70, Eisel in '71 Open, Goolagong at Wimbledon in '76, Austin in 1981 Open semis, and Navratilova in 1985 RG. I don't think the Austin victory was more important than any of these others but it did do a lot to cement her reputation as one of the all-time great problem-solvers and tacticians in the sport. It also once again showed Evert to be one stubborn, tenacious champion. That woman does not give up on a challenge. But folks in the sport knew that anyway.
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pc1
G.O.A.T.
Excellent points. By the way Austin is another one of those what if stories. She was a truly great player for a few years. Kramer was very high on her talent as he was with Pam Shriver. I frankly didn't understand why he was so high on Shriver but I guess if you reach the US Open final at age 16 you figure that player is going to be pretty good.
kiki
Banned
That is why Jesus picked 4 testament writters didn´t He?
All of them made their own reads and misreads
As Plant once stated to us " Sometimes words have two meanings"
I don´t pretend to have the truth but I do certainly defend MY truth
PDJ
G.O.A.T.
I would add the 89 USO match as her final hoorah- the icing on a rather magnificent career.
On a personal note, 89 QF Wimbledon v Golarsa as I watched it in person and there was absolutely no doubt of Evert's popularity and the incredible respect given her that day by those spectating- we got to say goodbye to a sporting legend in the best way possible, as Evert gave us a comback from the brink of defeat. A magical experience.
Happy New Year.
kiki
Banned
kiki
Banned
Wimbledon 81
PDJ
G.O.A.T.
There's no reason why you would have. But for Evert fans she's ingrained on our memory. Evert came back from 2-5 final set in her last Wimbledon match win. Very special. Actually, for me (being there) was magical.
Coming from *the* definitive expert on tennis. And Chris Evert.
Then, of course, we all know it must be "truth."
The definitive "expert" on Chris Evert never heard of Laura Golarsa?!
Do tell now, do tell how you acquired your "expertise" on Chris Evert as to know that, ahem, Tracy Austin was the single biggest influencer/factor in Chrissie's career?!
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70sHollywood
Guest
Laura Golarsa - The last player Evert beat at Wimbledon and the first player Serena beat at Wimbledon. Someone should track her down and ask her who was tougher.
kiki
Banned
You old Evert fans still have chills all over your back when recalling Miss Landsdorp don´t ya?
After all those years and you haven´t made peace with yourselves
kiki
Banned
PDJ
G.O.A.T.
Italy. Has an Academy now I think.
PDJ
G.O.A.T.
Aparently Evert (retired) was asked to speak to some current players and answer some questions: Golarsa was in attendance and pre-empted her question with "do you remember me?". Evert replied with a smile "I will never forget you"
PDJ
G.O.A.T.
Aparently Evert (retired) was asked to speak to some current players and answer some questions: Golarsa was in attendance and pre-empted her question with "do you remember me?". Evert replied with a smile "I will never forget you"
Here's my only beef with Miss Pipsqueak Austin.
The nerve of her to lose so often when in the same half of the draw as Chris Evert, or seeded to meet her in the finals of a tournament. She deprived Evert of so many devastating victories over Austin, it should be considered criminal!
kiki
Banned
Austin had a career aboout one fourth of Evert´s length and still dominates her HtH¡¡¡¡ can you imagine ahealthy Austin?
pc1
G.O.A.T.
A healthy Austin was a great player. She was the top seed at the 1980 US Open over Navratilova and Evert! And of course she won the 1981 US Open with Evert and Navratilova in the draw. She defeated Navratilova in the final 1-6 7-6 7-6. She was a very solid player with really no weaknesses.
Do I think she was more talented than Evert? It's close but I rank Evert a little higher in the talent area. Some thought she was more gifted than Evert.
PDJ
G.O.A.T.
Chris Evert: Richest Tennis Player of 2014:
Not sure how accurate this article is, but whether Evert is regarded the best ever player or not, her income is rather impressive! If you care about these things.... For me, it just reflects her continued popularity and relevance
http://en.mediamass.net/people/chris-evert/highest-paid.html
Not sure how accurate this article is, but whether Evert is regarded the best ever player or not, her income is rather impressive! If you care about these things.... For me, it just reflects her continued popularity and relevance
http://en.mediamass.net/people/chris-evert/highest-paid.html
To a large degree, it reflects the influence of Jimmy Evert's prudent sense towards money and investment, and his daughters trust in his judgment and integrity. He knew how to find the right folks. Evert said she knew nothing about money or investment until after she had divorced two of her husbands. Jimmy was everything that Sanchez -Vicario wish she had in a parent, evidently. Sometimes, once in a blue moon, it pays off.
PDJ
G.O.A.T.
Now darling, I know English is a second language. So I'll not fault you for being absolutely COMPLETELY CLUELESS on the meaning of the word "dominates". For the official FACTUAL record, something else I know you are COMPLETELY CLUELESS about, Austin held a slim - by a margin of exactly one, uno, singular (get it now???) H2H edge.
Ah yes, I can imagine. Tracy stays healthy enough to compete on tour full-time until Chris Evert retires in 1989. Austin and Evert play 10 more times. Evert wins all 10 matches in straight sets. Austin gets no more than 3 games in any set. And Chris wins another two double bagels over Tracy.
Ah, life is good!
kiki
Banned
Did you live those times? I have reached the conclusion that you just watched a Disney movie...
suwanee4712
Professional
What a blessing that was. When so many parents looked to their own personal gain, the Everts kept working and looked out for their daughter and HER money.
There are other examples of good tennis parents, but the Everts might just set the bar.
kiki
Banned
A conservative democrat.That is how he defined himself.
I wasn't referring to his politics but his investment/ savings philosophy.
kiki
Banned
I know but as a pure marxist would say, it is all part of his own " cosmo vision"
AngieB
Banned
I just wanted to point out that the ^^^above^^^ #referenced article is from a satire site. It's not exactly a "hoax" per se, but untrue nonetheless.
#Chris didn't sign a pre-nup with #AndyMill and was forced to equally divide her assets. I'm highly doubtful #GregNorman left her with millions as part of their divorce after a brief #marriage.
#Chris is wealthy, just not the "kind of wealthy" which is described in the #satirical article.
Note: PDJ, I #forgive you and I #apologize to you for anything negative I have said or inferred about you. No, I'm not on my #deathbed, or did I crawl out of bed to relay this information. I'm just saying.
If #JC could #forgive us for our #sins, then we should learn to #forgive one another #unconditionally. #Praise be and #hallelujah!
#PTL #JC4Ever
AngieB
AngieB
cc0509
Talk Tennis Guru
That site is a hoax site and is not reliable. At the time of her divorce from Andy Mill, Evert was said to be worth around $24 million and she had to pay Mill around $7 million. But then she married Greg Norman whose net worth was around $500 million. Estimates of her net worth today are around $32.5 million. She will always be able to make money on her name being a legend in the sport.
http://celebnetwealth.com/chris-evert-net-worth-after-divorce/
http://www.celebritynetworth.com/richest-athletes/richest-tennis/chris-evert-net-worth-2/
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