Does Djokovic have any chance of beating Medvedev from the baseline?

Beckerserve

Legend
Not really hypothetical. Djokovic utterly owns Nadal on HC for 7 years now. What is it, 19 sets in a row? o_O

2017 Fed also owned Nadal on HC. 4-0 whitewashing. If he’s fit then he would trash Nadal in 4.

be grateful fate allowed your hero to vulture a couple more USO:whistle:
Nadal 4-3 Djokovic. Deal with it and move on.You just are making hypothetical arguments. Embarrassingly desperate tbh.
 

GabeT

Legend
No. nadal is better than Djokovic at USO. That is a HC event.Djokovic is better in australian conditions. We are talking Majors here not qatar and beijing. Federer is GOAT on hard courts currently. No question about it. The USO is bigger than the AO. More weight has to attach to it. When Federer was in his prime that was not even a debate.
Novak is HC Co Goat. Nadal not in the same league, great as he is.

that is all
 

Beckerserve

Legend
Novak is HC Co Goat. Nadal not in the same league, great as he is.

that is all
Lol keep.making random arguments. Djokovic cannot be HC GOAT when his biggest rival has more USOs than he does when HC is not even Nadals best surface.
Federer is obviously HC GOAT.
 

NoleIsBoat

Hall of Fame
Nadal 4-3 Djokovic. Deal with it and move on.You just are making hypothetical arguments. Embarrassingly desperate tbh.
Don’t care lol. Djokovic is still better there despite the anomaly of Nadal having an extra title facing Berretini and Anderson :laughing: :laughing:
 

GabeT

Legend
Lol keep.making random arguments. Djokovic cannot be HC GOAT when his biggest rival has more USOs than he does when HC is not even Nadals best surface.
Federer is obviously HC GOAT.
HC Co Goat with Federer, May end up better When all is said and done
 

NoleIsBoat

Hall of Fame
Lol keep.making random arguments. Djokovic cannot be HC GOAT when his biggest rival has more USOs than he does when HC is not even Nadals best surface.
Federer is obviously HC GOAT.
Federer cannot be HC GOAT when a main rival has 2 (3) more AO and is owned in the HC slam h2h :whistle:
 

Beckerserve

Legend
Don’t care lol. Djokovic is still better there despite the anomaly of Nadal having an extra title facing Berretini and Anderson :laughing: :laughing:
You not care about the truth of 4-3 2-1. I think that is called being in denial.
Oh and Karatsev was lower ranked than any Nadal SF opponent so well done for your own goal lol
 

Beckerserve

Legend
Nadal is probably not even top 5 in HCs. Novak and Fed are co HC GOATs although many already think Novak is the HC GOAT. But I see only small differences.
Nadal has 4 USOs. At worse he is top 4 on HC. Federer is better than Djokovic on hard courts.
 

NoleIsBoat

Hall of Fame
You not care about the truth of 4-3 2-1. I think that is called being in denial.
Oh and Karatsev was lower ranked than any Nadal SF opponent so well done for your own goal lol
Nadal is more accomplished I accept that truth. He isn’t better though. I don’t accept just adding numbers up with no analysis or insight.
 

Beckerserve

Legend
connors, Sampras, Agassi. otters can decide if Nadal is top 5 in HC.

Novak and Fed are Co GOATs, for now
Agassi has 2 USOs. As much as i like him 4 USOs puts Nadal higher up as when Agassi played the AO never had as strong a draw as USO. Sampras is better than Nadal.on hard. Connors perhaps. Federer the GOAT on HC.
 

GabeT

Legend
Anyway nice attempt at diversion. Back on topic. How on earth does Djokovic outlast Medvedev?
I don’t know, we’ll find out soon enough. I do recall though that Nadal did not lose so much as a one service game in the 5 matches prior to the AO19 final yet it helped little in the end. novak has a way of rising to the occasion. Let’s see what he manages on Sunday.
 

Rosstour

Hall of Fame
Novak's most productive periods have been largely due to incredibly consistent depth on his groundstrokes, and in tennis, depth wins. If he keeps the ball very deep, he has a very good chance.
Problem for Novak is that Medvedev hits very hard and flat. And his strokes are short so he can take time away.

Djok is like Nadal ultimately a retriever and they are vulnerable to guys who can hit through them with big flat shots. On a fast court this will be an even bigger problem.

Also, Medvedev is very long and has great reach in addition to great legs and anticipation. He's going to get to a lot of balls.
 

Winner

Semi-Pro
Djokovic is better at the USO too. Him having 3 and Nadal on 4 is an anomaly and just luck. Djokovic defeated many more ATG and top 10 than Nadal there, very bad luck to be injured in 16,17,19 the a freak accident in 20.

Nadal won his recent 2 USO because the best HC players of the year were both injured. 2017 - Federer. 2019 - Djokovic.Superb vulturing.
Nadal missed USO 2012 and 2014. He's been unlucky as well.
 

Beckerserve

Legend
I don’t know, we’ll find out soon enough. I do recall though that Nadal did not lose so much as a one service game in the 5 matches prior to the AO19 final yet it helped little in the end. novak has a way of rising to the occasion. Let’s see what he manages on Sunday.
Yes he does. If Djokovic plays his best he will win. I am excited as i love these type of matchups where the two best on a surface meet in a final.
I just think on current form Medvedev is favourite. But Djokovic knows what he needs to do.
 

Winner

Semi-Pro
be grateful fate allowed your hero to vulture a couple more USO:whistle:
The irony of this. Winning a slam over Medvedev is now called vulturing, one day before Djokovic plays for AO title against... :D

If winning over DelPo, Anderson SF-F is vulturing, what are Noles slam wins in 2018, where he played his finals against...
 

Beckerserve

Legend
History does not apply to modern day, all the slams are equal now.
Im not sure about that. As time goes on AO may become the most prestigious as it is a fabulous modern event but at the moment i think it is still Wimbledon although im not sure how the young players see it.
 

D.Nalby12

Legend
Well he'll need to, because Medvedev is the superior server.
Unless Djokovic can become a net player overnight, because that is how Nadal beat Medvedev at 2019 US Open Final....

2019 Wimbledon Final had 422 points.
Federer came to the net 65 times (won 51).

2019 US Open Final had 341 points.
Nadal came to the net 66 times (won 51).
What does your avatar show? What is the point?
 

Beckerserve

Legend
Ok, I hope to see a thread from you praising Novak! :eek: :eek: :p
Btw Djokovic path to glory is a clear as day. Short points and break down the Medvedev FH. Get into the net on his FH as his passing shots on that side are erratic. The BH though is lethal .
 

Winner

Semi-Pro
Nadal missed USO 2012 and 2014. He's been unlucky as well.
The only thing Nadal missed in those years was more defeats to Djokovic.
:-D
The year that was between 2012 and 2014 was 2013, the exact year Nadal defeated Djokovic in the USO final.

Generally, I think plural is inappropriate when refering to Djokovic beating Nadal at USO. He hasn't multiple wins, he has 1.

In 2017 and 2019 Federer and Djokovic were heavy favourites vs Nadal on HCs
Yes, Djokovic was a huge favourite over Nadal in 2017, he was peak Nole right, losing to Denis Istomin at his pet slam, twice to Nick Kyrgios. 2017 Nole was unbeatable.
 

NoleIsBoat

Hall of Fame
:-D
The year that was between 2012 and 2014 was 2013, the exact year Nadal defeated Djokovic in the USO final.

Generally, I think plural is inappropriate when refering to Djokovic beating Nadal at USO. He hasn't multiple wins, he has 1.


Yes, Djokovic was a huge favourite over Nadal in 2017, he was peak Nole right, losing to Denis Istomin at his pet slam, twice to Nick Kyrgios. 2017 Nole was unbeatable.
Yes but only one man to blame for that, losing from 2 sets up to Fognini 2 rounds before a guaranteed straight set thrashing from peak Djokovic :whistle:

I mean Federer was the favourite in 2017, Djokovic in 2019. Their injuries was a stroke of luck for Nadal.

Even Federer in 2019. I’d give him the edge if his back held up and he put
 

Winner

Semi-Pro
Yes but only one man to blame for that, losing from 2 sets up to Fognini 2 rounds before a guaranteed straight set thrashing from peak Djokovic :whistle:
Yeah probably. 2015 Nadal was bad, everybody knows that. Then again, there's only one man to blame for 4-3 and 2-1, and it's Novak Djokovic for being the HC GOAT and winning a heroic 3/15 USOs in his career.
 
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DSH

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Yes but only one man to blame for that, losing from 2 sets up to Fognini 2 rounds before a guaranteed straight set thrashing from peak Djokovic :whistle:

I mean Federer was the favourite in 2017, Djokovic in 2019. Their injuries was a stroke of luck for Nadal.

Even Federer in 2019. I’d give him the edge if his back held up and he put
:oops::rolleyes:o_O
Federer barely defeated Nadal on fast plexicushion but was he going to do it on slow Decoturf?
Not to mention that the Swiss stopped being a threat in Flushing Meadow for a long time, so being a favorite at 38 is a bad joke.
Regarding Djokovic, I don't know what his fans think who believe that because he is almost invincible in Australia he is also invincible in the US Open when the evidence shows otherwise: his negative record is finals there is reliable proof that your idol is much more vulnerable in NY than in Melbourne.
Hence his outburst last year for suffering with players like PCB and his correct disqualification for committing an irregular act that violated the rules of the tournament.
I know that it hurts the most ardent fans like you that Nadal is better and more successful than the Serbian in the US Open, and that he did not play the 2012, 2014 and 2020 editions where he could have won a title or two in addition to the 4 that he achieved.
:cool:
 
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NoleIsBoat

Hall of Fame
:oops::rolleyes:o_O
Federer barely defeated Nadal on fast plexicushion but was he going to do it on slow Decoturf?
Not to mention that the Swiss stopped being a threat in Flushing Meadow for a long time, so being a favorite at 38 is a bad joke.
Regarding Djokovic, I don't know what his fans think who believe that because he is almost invincible in Australia he is also invincible in the US Open when the evidence shows otherwise: his negative record is finals there is reliable proof that your idol is much more vulnerable in NY than in Melbourne.
Hence his outburst last year for suffering with players like PCB and his correct disqualification for committing an irregular act that violated the rules of the tournament.
I know that it hurts the most ardent fans like you that Nadal is better and more successful than the Serbian in the US Open, and that he did not play the 2012, 2014 and 2020 editions where he could have won a title or two in addition to the 4 that he achieved.
:cool:
Djokovic owned Nadal for 7 years on HC now buddy since 2013 fall season. Federer 6-0 on HCs since 2015.
 

Slasher

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The title of this thread should correctly read:

Does Medvedev have any chance of beating Djokovic from the baseline?

Answer: No!
 
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