Does Djokovic have any chance of beating Medvedev from the baseline?

DSH

G.O.A.T.
Djokovic owned Nadal for 7 years on HC now buddy since 2013 fall season. Federer 6-0 on HCs since 2015.
Yeah, but Wawrinka own your guy at Slams since 2015, unlike Nadal for example, who has not have trouble to defeat him, in spite for his bizarre result at the AO 2014.
And Federer has not won the Open since 2008, so the mention of him as favourite number 1 there is a big joke.
:D
 

vex

Hall of Fame
Hahahahahaha

Djokovic has better FH, BH, serve, return, net play, movement, anticipation, defence.
Med’s pretty locked in on groundstrokes atm. While I agree Djoker has the better strokes, Med is playing better defense and will win the long rallies. Djoker needs to dictate and keep the points in the 6-8 shot range.
 

NoleIsBoat

Hall of Fame
Yeah, but Wawrinka own your guy at Slams since 2015, unlike Nadal for example, who has not have trouble to defeat him, in spite for his bizarre result at the AO 2014.
And Federer has not won the Open since 2008, so the mention of him as favourite number 1 there is a big joke.
:D
Federer has been healthy at the USO once since 2014 and he ran into the BOAT at his peak. Losing 3 times to HC Goat generally will cost you USO titles :-D:-D:-D:-D:whistle::whistle::whistle::whistle:
 

vex

Hall of Fame
FH yes. BH not this event. Serve yes. Return yes. Net play yes. Movement no. Anticipation no. Defence no.
Dude it is 2021....not 2011.
I don’t know how anyone could possibly have watched Djokovic and Med play the last 5 months and think Djokovic has better movement and is playing better defense.

Med has peaked in terms of movement and defense and his peak is pretty awesome. That’s why he’s had the big results.
 

Winner

Semi-Pro
Let’s be honest, 2015 form peak Federer would’ve won any year from 2016-2020 except 2018. Unfortunate for him to play BOAT at his peak :whistle:
Basically every argument of yours is based on hypotheticals.

BOAT is losing to Chung, Istomin, Murray, Wawrinka, Nishikori, etc. in HC slams. He's won the USO 3 times in his career. Yet you're saying he'd win every hypothetical match against Nadal/Fed. Maybe he should start winning actual matches.
 

vex

Hall of Fame
Djokovic won 3 of his 6 Majors matches v Nadal within 6 months in 2011-2012. So actually for the vast majority of their careers Nadal has utterly owned Djokovic at the Majors. Best of 3 sets it is the other way round.
Not a super strong argument considering people recall Rafa getting bounced in plenty of events before he could even reach Djokovic
 

DSH

G.O.A.T.
Federer has been healthy at the USO once since 2014 and he ran into the BOAT at his peak. Losing 3 times to HC Goat generally will cost you USO titles :-D:-D:-D:-D:whistle::whistle::whistle::whistle:
And so Nadal at the AO; so too Djokovic at RG.
At the end of the day they FAILED to increase their success in unfavourable conditions!
:)
 

Slasher

New User
Djokovic is the most stable, reliable and dependable returner on hard courts in the open era and he has a reasonable first and second serve.

Djokovic has a unique stance, position and angle designed to contain any shot and return any shot, sees the ball early and amazing insight regarding negating, extinguishing and smothering the opponent.

The GreenSet surface and the Dunlop balls should advantage Medvedev in the Australian Open singles final 2021.

I would be very surprised if Djokovic does not win more male grand slam singles titles than any other male singles player in history given his suitability and superiority on hard courts which have two grand slams per year.
 

DSH

G.O.A.T.
Djokovic is the most stable, reliable and dependable returner on hard courts in the open era and he has a reasonable first and second serve.

Djokovic has a unique stance, position and angle designed to contain any shot and return any shot, sees the ball early and amazing insight regarding negating, extinguishing and smothering the opponent.

The GreenSet surface and the Dunlop balls should advantage Medvedev in the Australian Open singles final 2021.

I would be very surprised if Djokovic does not win more male grand slam singles titles than any other male singles player in history given his suitability and superiority on hard courts which have two grand slams per year.
8 (until to now) to 3, what does it tell you?
:sneaky:
 

NoleIsBoat

Hall of Fame
Basically every argument of yours is based on hypotheticals.

BOAT is losing to Chung, Istomin, Murray, Wawrinka, Nishikori, etc. in HC slams. He's won the USO 3 times in his career. Yet you're saying he'd win every hypothetical match against Nadal/Fed. Maybe he should start winning actual matches.
No hypothetical bud. Nadal has been destroyed by Djokovic since 2013 and Federer 2015. The h2h makes for painful reading.
 

Pandora Mikado

Semi-Pro
Btw Djokovic path to glory is a clear as day. Short points and break down the Medvedev FH. Get into the net on his FH as his passing shots on that side are erratic. The BH though is lethal .
Djokovic should bring Med off the baseline into the NET. To do this go for sharp angled shots from a wide position. Med is smart however, avoiding those kinds of cross court sharp angles and rarely goes wide unless it’s a winner.

Only obvious weakness I see of Med is at the NET. My guess is we might see quite a bit of drop shots to unnerve the big Russian and throw off his baseline rhythm.
 

Sunny014

Hall of Fame
Federer cannot be HC GOAT when a main rival has 2 (3) more AO and is owned in the HC slam h2h :whistle:
Federer is the GOAT on HCs as on today.

3 Slams on Rebound Ace
3 Slams on Plexicushion
5 Slams on Deco Turf
6 World Tour Final Titles
71 Titles on Hard Courts

Most complete players on HCs.

Djokovic will need 2 more slams on HCs because 1 slam will take him to 12 while Fed is on 11 but Fed is on 6 WTF titles while Novak is on 5..

So he needs 2 more slams on HCs to reach 13 Slams become the Co-GOAT

To become Absolute GOAT he will need 14 slams to have a clear cut 3 lead over Federer's 11.
 

Krish0608

Hall of Fame
Novak's most productive periods have been largely due to incredibly consistent depth on his groundstrokes, and in tennis, depth wins. If he keeps the ball very deep, he has a very good chance.
Exactly what Med is good at too. He was getting crazy depth on his groundies against Tsitsipas. And he can also get into junk ball mode and give Novak no pace to work with.
 

Beckerserve

Legend
Djokovic should bring Med off the baseline into the NET. To do this go for sharp angled shots from a wide position. Med is smart however, avoiding those kinds of cross court sharp angles and rarely goes wide unless it’s a winner.

Only obvious weakness I see of Med is at the NET. My guess is we might see quite a bit of drop shots to unnerve the big Russian and throw off his baseline rhythm.
Only thing is Novak has gone away from drop shots this event
 

Sport

G.O.A.T.
FH yes. BH not this event. Serve yes. Return yes. Net play yes. Movement no. Anticipation no. Defence no.
Dude it is 2021....not 2011.
Serve no. Medvedev servebotted Djokovic in straight sets in the last Nitto ATP finals. Djokovic's serve doesn't come close to that. People are overhyping Djokovic's serve for just one match (against Zverev ehere he made 28 aces). But even in that match he lost his service game in 3 out of 4 sets. Nadal made 23 aces against Müller at WB 2017, it doesn't mean his serve improved that much.
 

vex

Hall of Fame
Djokovic should bring Med off the baseline into the NET. To do this go for sharp angled shots from a wide position. Med is smart however, avoiding those kinds of cross court sharp angles and rarely goes wide unless it’s a winner.

Only obvious weakness I see of Med is at the NET. My guess is we might see quite a bit of drop shots to unnerve the big Russian and throw off his baseline rhythm.
I think your probably right. Trading with Med on the baseline isn’t a good idea. Djoker needs to work variety
 

Slasher

New User
The GreenSet surface and the Dunlop balls used in the Australian Open singles final 2021 make drop shots and drop volleys very difficult (if not impossible) to win a point against the opponent - there is far too much bounce and carry through. The balls are zipping through, flying off the surface and taking off once they land.

Nadal is more likely to have a hair transplant or toupee than win a singles match against a higher ranked opponent on hard courts from this point forward.

Federer is semi retired and too old to win a grand slam on a hardcourt now - unless all the higher ranked players get knocked out or retire.

Djokovic should have a few clear years to win the grand slams on hardcourts unopposed - without any real challenge from any decent opponent on the horizon - with Nadal on the decline on hardcourt and Federer semi retired / too old.
 
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Medvedev is the inferior server, and what he has over Djokovic as energy and speed has to compensate for Djokovic's superior precision and angles.

Some quite odds threads regarding that match: Medvedev is the challenger, not the favourite.

:cool:
I'll make a deal.

You stop writing "odds threads" and I'll stop writing "finales"...
 

Slasher

New User
When Medvedev is moving around the court and playing ground strokes, he seems to stumble around everywhere and when he goes to strike the ball, his legs extend out in one diagonal and his arms and torso in the opposite diagonal. It is like he is drunk.

Yet, he strikes and times the ball so well and doesn't always follow through fully or fully extend through his ground strokes. He always looks so awkward on the ground strokes and moving around the court. It is like he is injured or can't move properly.

Also, he has no muscle bulk. His arms and legs are very slender - more slender than most of the women professionals.

I don't think I have ever seen a player quite like Medvedev before.

Is he the first grand slam finalist to ever use a Tecnifibre frame?

I would think the longer the match goes, the more it will disadvantage Medvedev.

Having said everything to indicate Djokovic will be victorious, I could well be eating my words in just a few hours.
 
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