Nadal 4-3 Djokovic. Deal with it and move on.You just are making hypothetical arguments. Embarrassingly desperate tbh.Not really hypothetical. Djokovic utterly owns Nadal on HC for 7 years now. What is it, 19 sets in a row?
2017 Fed also owned Nadal on HC. 4-0 whitewashing. If he’s fit then he would trash Nadal in 4.
be grateful fate allowed your hero to vulture a couple more USO
Lol keep.making random arguments. Djokovic cannot be HC GOAT when his biggest rival has more USOs than he does when HC is not even Nadals best surface.
Don’t care lol. Djokovic is still better there despite the anomaly of Nadal having an extra title facing Berretini and Anderson
HC Co Goat with Federer, May end up better When all is said and done
Why has he lost 3 times to Medvedev....
Federer cannot be HC GOAT when a main rival has 2 (3) more AO and is owned in the HC slam h2h
You not care about the truth of 4-3 2-1. I think that is called being in denial.Don’t care lol. Djokovic is still better there despite the anomaly of Nadal having an extra title facing Berretini and Anderson
Federer 5 USO Djokovic 3. USO the main HC Major historically.Federer cannot be HC GOAT when a main rival has 2 (3) more AO and is owned in the HC slam h2h
There is no co anything lol. Djokovic has less USOs than Nadal. Federer does not. Federer is HC GOAT.
Nadal is probably not even top 5 in HCs. Novak and Fed are co HC GOATs although many already think Novak is the HC GOAT. But I see only small differences.
well said.
Nadal has 4 USOs. At worse he is top 4 on HC. Federer is better than Djokovic on hard courts.
Historically yes. Not in modern era bud.
Nadal is more accomplished I accept that truth. He isn’t better though. I don’t accept just adding numbers up with no analysis or insight.
You admit i am right. Thank you. History matters. Took a while but we got there. Federer HC GOAT. Glad we agree finally.
connors, Sampras, Agassi. otters can decide if Nadal is top 5 in HC.
You have to otherwise it is just opinion.
Agassi has 2 USOs. As much as i like him 4 USOs puts Nadal higher up as when Agassi played the AO never had as strong a draw as USO. Sampras is better than Nadal.on hard. Connors perhaps. Federer the GOAT on HC.
Anyway nice attempt at diversion. Back on topic. How on earth does Djokovic outlast Medvedev?Some people live in the past
I don’t know, we’ll find out soon enough. I do recall though that Nadal did not lose so much as a one service game in the 5 matches prior to the AO19 final yet it helped little in the end. novak has a way of rising to the occasion. Let’s see what he manages on Sunday.
Co GOAT. For now
Nadal missed USO 2012 and 2014. He's been unlucky as well.
Yes he does. If Djokovic plays his best he will win. I am excited as i love these type of matchups where the two best on a surface meet in a final.
History does not apply to modern day, all the slams are equal now.
We disagree. Ill agree if Djokovic wins on Sunday as i will be full of praise.
be grateful fate allowed your hero to vulture a couple more USO
Fair enough, I prefer to look at numbers with context but I respect your way.
Im not sure about that. As time goes on AO may become the most prestigious as it is a fabulous modern event but at the moment i think it is still Wimbledon although im not sure how the young players see it.
In fairness i understand what you are saying but to debate your way requires a whole day in a pub going through it!! Hard to do on message board so i opt for the easy option.
I promise i will if he wins.Ok, I hope to see a thread from you praising Novak!
Btw Djokovic path to glory is a clear as day. Short points and break down the Medvedev FH. Get into the net on his FH as his passing shots on that side are erratic. The BH though is lethal .Ok, I hope to see a thread from you praising Novak!
Yes, Djokovic was a huge favourite over Nadal in 2017, he was peak Nole right, losing to Denis Istomin at his pet slam, twice to Nick Kyrgios. 2017 Nole was unbeatable.
Djokovic has yet to face an elite returner in this tournament
Yes but only one man to blame for that, losing from 2 sets up to Fognini 2 rounds before a guaranteed straight set thrashing from peak Djokovic
The year that was between 2012 and 2014 was 2013, the exact year Nadal defeated Djokovic in the USO final.
Generally, I think plural is inappropriate when refering to Djokovic beating Nadal at USO. He hasn't multiple wins, he has 1.
Yes, Djokovic was a huge favourite over Nadal in 2017, he was peak Nole right, losing to Denis Istomin at his pet slam, twice to Nick Kyrgios. 2017 Nole was unbeatable.
Medvedev stands too far back for me on return and Novaks slice serve is the best on tour so Medvedev has to move up the court.
Yes, med would have to change his position, I agree about that, sir.
Yeah probably. 2015 Nadal was bad, everybody knows that. Then again, there's only one man to blame for 4-3 and 2-1, and it's Novak Djokovic for being the HC GOAT and winning a heroic 3/15 USOs in his career.Yes but only one man to blame for that, losing from 2 sets up to Fognini 2 rounds before a guaranteed straight set thrashing from peak Djokovic
Don't engage with him. He is Fedal fanboy , salty that this Sunday has nothing to do with both.
Of course. Technically Roger not on tour currently. He will be soon.Yes, med would have to change his position, I agree about that, sir.
As for the bolded part....
Roger Federer
Yes but only one man to blame for that, losing from 2 sets up to Fognini 2 rounds before a guaranteed straight set thrashing from peak Djokovic
I mean Federer was the favourite in 2017, Djokovic in 2019. Their injuries was a stroke of luck for Nadal.
Even Federer in 2019. I’d give him the edge if his back held up and he put
Djokovic owned Nadal for 7 years on HC now buddy since 2013 fall season. Federer 6-0 on HCs since 2015.
Federer barely defeated Nadal on fast plexicushion but was he going to do it on slow Decoturf?
Not to mention that the Swiss stopped being a threat in Flushing Meadow for a long time, so being a favorite at 38 is a bad joke.
Regarding Djokovic, I don't know what his fans think who believe that because he is almost invincible in Australia he is also invincible in the US Open when the evidence shows otherwise: his negative record is finals there is reliable proof that your idol is much more vulnerable in NY than in Melbourne.
Hence his outburst last year for suffering with players like PCB and his correct disqualification for committing an irregular act that violated the rules of the tournament.
I know that it hurts the most ardent fans like you that Nadal is better and more successful than the Serbian in the US Open, and that he did not play the 2012, 2014 and 2020 editions where he could have won a title or two in addition to the 4 that he achieved.
Yet since 2013 both Djokovic and Nadal have won 2 USOs, and Fed 0.
