Does Djokovic have the least number of fans?

Man, you sure know how to twist and misinterpret another person's words. Who told you India has little to no tennis tradition?
Heard of Vijay Amritraj? Ramanathan and Ramesh Krishnan? Leander Paes? Mahesh Bhupathi? Sania Mirza? Perhaps if you haven't heard of them, it shows your knowledge of tennis is lacking?

Whatt Maratha warrior stated that the countries he mentioned don't have slams or masters hosted there. Nowhere has he said "there is no tennis tradition".

Your implied assumption that someone from India or China has less of an understanding or passion for the game than, say, an American or Australian or European is offensive. You might not have intended it, but you came across as a patronising jerk.

A bird doesn't make a Spring, and having a player or two out of a billion and a half is hardly a reference to the tennis culture ruling in India. I have heard of (and watched) all those players. None of them were a factor in the tennis landscape with the possible exception of Paes/Bhupathi and Mirza (know mostly for her co-teaming with Hingis).

You need to understand what "tennis tradition" means: it means that tennis is in fact considered an important sport, with the relevant historical interest. It is not simply having players that play the sport. If it were so, the Dominican Republic also has an established "tennis tradition".

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Are you into willful misinterpretation, or do you have comprehension problems? The poster you replied to, stated the opposite of what you just claimed. Where has he stated the majors are NOT televised? He said they are! I've been watching tennis since the late 80s, on TV, thank you very much. The kind of patronising assumptions yoh make about tennis fandom in India smacks of a snobbish mindset. Sad to see.

You need to work on your own comprehension: he explained that the recent uptick in the popularity of a certain player is not (only) due to SM, and, since he refused to give further details as to what else could it be, the only other thing that could explain it is his mentioning of the SF/F in the Majors being televised. Since that consistent uptick in popularity wasn't a thing before, the only explanation in that regard is that previously they were not televised, and by previously I mean before Djokovic came along (otherwise his explanation wouldn't make sense).

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Jai

Professional
A bird doesn't make a Spring, and having a player or two out of a billion and a half is hardly a reference to the tennis culture ruling in India. I have heard of (and watched) all those players. None of them were a factor in the tennis landscape with the possible exception of Paes/Bhupathi and Mirza (know mostly for her co-teaming with Hingis).

You need to understand what "tennis tradition" means: it means that tennis is intact considered an important sport, with the relevant historical interest. It is not simply having players that play the sport. If it were so the Dominican Republic also has an established "tennis tradition".

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Thanks for proving your snobbery. We now know you for what you are. Look up Vijay Amritraj for instance, he was very popular in India in his time, reached a career high singles ranking of No 11, IIRC.

Your assumption and insinuation that tennis in India, in your words is not "considered an important sport, with the relevant historical interest" is patronising and snobbish. Thanks for proving your ingrained superiority complex.
 

McEncock

Professional
When the crowd is cheering for Tsitsipas against you in a slam final..... :whistle::whistle::whistle:
French crowd would have cheered for Tsitsipas against Nadal.
They are very conservative, love the OHBH, and don't have a drop of tennis knowledge.

Having FO crowd againt you is a proof of greatness.
 

Jai

Professional
You need to work on your own comprehension: he explained that the recent uptick in the popularity of a certain player is not only due to SM, and, since he refused to give further details as to what else could it be, the only other thing that could explain it is his mentioning of the SF/F in the Majors being televised. Since that consistent uptick in popularity wasn't a thing before, the only explanation in that regard is that previously they were not televised, and by previously I mean before Djokovic came along (otherwise his explanation wouldn't make sense).

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I've been keenly following tennis since the late 80s. I don't know how old Maratha warrior is, so I can't answer for him. But YOU need to get off your high horse about your diagnosis of India not having a tennis tradition. You are being a boorish snob.
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
He's from Bosnia, and that's closer to Wimbledon ... and God ... presumably.

Man, you sure know how to twist and misinterpret another person's words. Who told you India has little to no tennis tradition?
Heard of Vijay Amritraj? Ramanathan and Ramesh Krishnan? Leander Paes? Mahesh Bhupathi? Sania Mirza? Perhaps if you haven't heard of them, it shows your knowledge of tennis is lacking?

What Maratha warrior stated was that the countries he mentioned don't have slams or masters hosted there. Nowhere has he said "there is no tennis tradition".

Your implied assumption that someone from India or China has less of an understanding or passion for the game than, say, an American or Australian or European is offensive. You might not have intended it, but you came across as a patronising jerk.

Are you into willful misinterpretation, or do you have comprehension problems? The poster you replied to, stated the opposite of what you just claimed. Where has he stated the majors are NOT televised? He said they are! I've been keen following and watching tennis since the late 80s, on TV, thank you very much. The kind of patronising assumptions yoh make about tennis fandom in India smacks of a snobbish mindset. Sad to see.
 
Thanks for proving your snobbery. We now know you for what you are. Look up Vijay Amritraj for instance, he was very popular in India in his time, reached a career high singles ranking of No 11, IIRC.

Your assumption and insinuation that India, for instance, in your words does not "considered an important sport, with the relevant historical interest" is patronising and snobbish. Thanks for proving your ingrained superiority complex.

I know Vijay, and I know his son Prakash, so you are out of your revier.

There is nothing patronising and snobbish in telling it like it is. I thought that most Djokovic fans were about being 'real". Apparently innocuous statements severely rock their boats.

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Jai

Professional
I know Vijay, and I know his son Prakash, so you are out of your revier.

There is nothing patronising and snobbish in telling it like it is. I thought that most Djokovic fans were about being 'real". Apparently innocuous statements severely rock their boats.

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Own up to your patronising, snide assumptions, dude. You have been going on non stop that India has no tennis tradition or history and therefore fans from India have less of a tennis understanding than from other countries. This is boorish, offensive and UNTRUE. Educate yourself first, before claiming to be knowledgeable or truthful.
 
Own up to your patronising, snide assumptions, dude. You have been going on non stop that India has no tennis tradition or history and therefore fans from India have less of a tennis understanding than from other countries. This is boorish, offensive and UNTRUE. Educate yourself first, before claiming to be knowledgeable or truthful.

You need to own up to the fact that you don't know who you are talking to, which explains your persistence in ad hominem just so that you attempt to belittle the opinion that you don't like. In India tennis is a second rate sport (at best). Serbia (and its predecessor as a country Yougoslavia) has ten times the tennis tradition India has, and Serbia is barely a nation of several millions, AND also has other sports as their major interest (like Football, Basketball, Volleyball and Water polo). Consider that for a moment.

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Jai

Professional
You need to own up to the fact that you don't know who you are talking to, which explains your persistence in ad hominem just so that you attempt to belittle the opinion that you don't like. In India tennis is a second rate sport (at best). Serbia (and its predecessor as a country Yougoslavia) has ten times the tennis tradition India has, and Serbia I barely a nation of several millions. Consider that for a moment.

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Your snide assumptions about India are pathetic, and again, show you in very poor light. Tennis is not "second rate" here. Yes, cricket and soccer are more popular, but there is a lot of knowledge about tennis and passion for the game, too. Considering the limitations of a developing country for many years, with the corresponding difficulty in sports facilities, I would in fact state we have a good tennis tradition in having many players who competed in the pro Circuit - did moderately well upto a level in Singles, and very well indeed in Doubles.

Ignoring all that, and making taunting asides about tennis knowledge of an entire country of 1.25 billion people.....shows YOU for the kind of person you are.

Good day to you. I will not engage with you further on this thread. I do not like snobs. And I don't "need to know who I'm talking to" in your words, in order to see the boorish assumptions you make about an entire country.
 
Your snide assumptions about India is pathetic, and again, shows you in very poor light. Tennis is not "second rate" here. Yes, cricket and soccer are more popular, but there is a lot of knowledge about tennis and passion for the game, too. Considering the limitations of a developing country for many years, with the corresponding difficulty in sports facilities, I would in fact state we have a good tennis tradition in having many players who competed in the pro Circuit - did moderatelt well upto a level in Singles, and very well in Doubles.

Ignoring all that, and making taunting asides about tennis knowledge of an entire country of 1.25 billion people.....shows YOU for the kind of person you are.

Good day to you sir. I will not engage with you further on this thread. I do not like snobs.

So, you just said that due to financial and historical constraints tennis was in fact with a short tradition in India, yet my statements anger you. How about you first get a grip of what you really want to say before saying it?

You also say that tennis doesn't qualify in the tier one sports in India, yet it isn't "second rate"?

I too don't like people that are talking out of their derriere's just because they are looking for ways to get offended over nothing.

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Jai

Professional
So, you just said that due to financial and historical constraints tennis was in fact with a short tradition in India, yet my statements anger you. How about you first get a grip of what you really want to say before saying it?

You also say that tennis doesn't qualify in the tier one sports in India, yet it isn't "second rate"?

I too don't like people that are talking out of their derriere's just because they are looking for ways to get offended over nothing.

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You are an amazingly skilful person at twisting words to meet your own sinister agenda. Patronising to the core.

I DID NOT say short tradition, READ and understand before shooting your mouth off. I simply stated that considering the financial constraints, India has done well in terms of having a tennis tradition and players and passion and knowledge for the game. Where did you get "short tradition" from that??

A sport which is not THE MOST popular in a country does not become "second rate" as you dismissively state. If that was the criteria, tennis is not even a second rate sport in the USA. Do you think that's true?

You know what, if you want to improve your own understanding as a person, look into the kind of snide assumptions you make. Sickening.
 
You are an amazingly skilful person at twisting words to meet your own sinister agenda. Patronising to the core.

I DID NOT say short tradition, READ and understand before shooting your mouth off. I simply stated that considering the financial constraints, India has done well in terms of having a tennis tradition and players and passion and knowledge for the game. Where did you get "short tradition" from that??

When you are looking for ways to explain why the tennis tradition is not what it should be, to be considered serious, it already says a lot about what you consider that tradition to be, and for perspective, I already told you that the players with some acknowledged relevance to the tennis sport have been the ones in the less influential, and some would say, less demanding part of the sport, and also players of the last 20 years or so. That IS a short tennis tradition, as established by the presence of Indian players on the highest level.

A sport which is not THE MOST popular in a country does not become "second rate" as you dismissively state. If that was the criteria, tennis is not even a second rate sport in the USA. Do you think that's true?

Currently tennis is second rate in the USA, yes. Does that surprise you?

You know what, if you want to improve your own understanding as a person, look into the kind of snide assumptions you make. Sickening.

What kind of person thinks that something is "sickening" just because he disagrees with the opinion of the opponent? Nothing untoward has been said. Having a short tennis tradition is not offensive in any way. It is what it is.

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jeroenn

Professional
Besides, how exactly is this relevant to their respective achievements? If anything, the fact that Novak has achieved so much in the face of chronic crowd indifference (sometimes even boorish hostility from a section of fans) , makes it even more remarkable and laudatory.

I have mixed feelings about the above quote. First of aff, yes, he's the least liked of the big 3 for obvious reasons (for me personally, that means some of his past behaviour). I agree it is sort of relevant to his achievements, perhaps in positive way as you described, but to me that doesn't really fly, as he himself is the primary cause of that hostilty. He could have made it a lot easier for himself by trying to avoid that. Tennis is a very intense mental sport and to me the abilitty to control your emotions to a certain extend as Fed and Nad have displayed is part of that greatness. For Fed because he's been able to turn the page on his past bad behaviour (he was a complate utter basketcase in his early days) and for Nad because he never even trashed a single racket (he might be one of very few players indeed like that). Both things are impressive and the invitation has been open to Nole to try to do the same (and credit to him, it seems he's been trying to. That's why his neanderthaler screams at the end of the QF was so off putting to me. Then again, giving that stick to that kid was crazy cool). This is also one of the reasons I've grown to like Kyrgios - though I couldn't stand him in the past. He's still in that process of change, but if you follow him on social media, you can see honest effort and the process involved to deal with his bagage. To me that goes a lot further than the 'like me, like me, like me' actions of Nole that can come off as fake(ish). I think for now I can describe it best as Fed and Nad being ambassadors for the sport, and Nole being an ambassador for Nole. I think most people respond better to the first than to the latter.
As a side note, you can't really fault a person for the actions of his dad, but Djokovic Senior should really STFU and my appreciation for Nole would rise substantially if he were to denounce some of his old man's actions/statementss.

I read a post here a few days ago that Federer is slated for the same destiny as Sampras, that since he's been overtaken in records, people don't remember him for the qualities he had anymore. Perhaps. But one day that will be true for Nole as well, as one day his records will be trashed (be it sooner or later). Then what will his legacy be? That he's just one in a long row of people who raised the bar like sampras, fed, etc? And by the way, who took out a line judge by hitting her with a ball or acting like a DB at certain times? Or can he show growth there as well? Would be interesting to see for sure!
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
You've spotted the technique accurately: accuse others of ad hominem attacks up front, and then throw in a few truck loads of personal attacks.

Good Lord. Amazing that he can claim such snide and patronising assumptions about India. And he claims to be respect classy behaviour.
 

Jai

Professional
You've spotted the technique accurately: accuse others of ad hominem attacks up front, and then throw in a few truck loads of personal attacks.
I'm not engaging with him anymore on this thread. It's not worth it, I wouldn't interact with a person who made such patronising, snide assumptions IRL, I won't subject myself to that here, either.
 
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vive le beau jeu !

Talk Tennis Guru
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... a tsitsitoastas?! :eek:

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weakera

Talk Tennis Guru
Yes, he is the least popular by far. Here's some telling information: Djokovic has been the least popular of the big three by far, even since 2011 when he became the dominant force on the tour:

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According to the data, Djokovic is only the most popular player in Serbia, Bosnia and Croatia.
 

Jai

Professional
I have mixed feelings about the above quote. First of aff, yes, he's the least liked of the big 3 for obvious reasons (for me personally, that means some of his past behaviour). I agree it is sort of relevant to his achievements, perhaps in positive way as you described, but to me that doesn't really fly, as he himself is the primary cause of that hostilty. He could have made it a lot easier for himself by trying to avoid that. Tennis is a very intense mental sport and to me the abilitty to control your emotions to a certain extend as Fed and Nad have displayed is part of that greatness. For Fed because he's been able to turn the page on his past bad behaviour (he was a complate utter basketcase in his early days) and for Nad because he never even trashed a single racket (he might be one of very few players indeed like that). Both things are impressive and the invitation has been open to Nole to try to do the same (and credit to him, it seems he's been trying to. That's why his neanderthaler screams at the end of the QF was so off putting to me. Then again, giving that stick to that kid was crazy cool). This is also one of the reasons I've grown to like Kyrgios - though I couldn't stand him in the past. He's still in that process of change, but if you follow him on social media, you can see honest effort and the process involved to deal with his bagage. To me that goes a lot further than the 'like me, like me, like me' actions of Nole that can come off as fake(ish). I think for now I can describe it best as Fed and Nad being ambassadors for the sport, and Nole being an ambassador for Nole. I think most people respond better to the first than to the latter.
As a side note, you can't really fault a person for the actions of his dad, but Djokovic Senior should really STFU and my appreciation for Nole would rise substantially if he were to denounce some of his old man's actions/statementss.

I read a post here a few days ago that Federer is slated for the same destiny as Sampras, that since he's been overtaken in records, people don't remember him for the qualities he had anymore. Perhaps. But one day that will be true for Nole as well, as one day his records will be trashed (be it sooner or later). Then what will his legacy be? That he's just one in a long row of people who raised the bar like sampras, fed, etc? And by the way, who took out a line judge by hitting her with a ball or acting like a DB at certain times? Or can he show growth there as well? Would be interesting to see for sure!
Hmmm....a lot of points here :) Some I agree with, some I don't at all. Here goes:

1) Srdjan's media bytes- True, they are reprehensible. He should, definitely, STFU :) But I don't think it's reasonable to expect Novak to denounce his father's statements. Parent--child bonds, especially in closely knit families (as the Djokovic's definitely are) - are very strong indeed, and I don't think Novak would at all feel it's appropriate to publicly castigate his father/ remonstrate with him. He has said, though, on a couple of occasions, that he does not agree with everything his father says. In private, ofc I agree, he should definitely be telling Srdjan to zip it, and most likely he would already have done so.

2) Yes, Novak's behaviour several times has not been stellar. Though I am a very keen fan, I do agree about this. But, as you said, he's been improving this - a lot. I genuinely find it odd that people still tend to harp more on the bad side, not on the multiple instances of good, thoughtful and considerate behaviour. And those examples abound, too. They far outnumber his missteps. I find it interesting too, that you just state the others' good behaviour as a blanket be-all and end-all, without recognizing that there is some nuance, some tics, some chinks in their behaviour too. I don't want to get on a fan war here at all, I like Rafa almost as much as Novak, and I respect Fed's beautiful game though I am not a fan of his. The point is, both these great players also have missteps. Fed has sounded extremely ungracious and prissy - see his interview after 2011 USO loss, or the years in which he would give left handed compliments to Rafa as "perhaps the greatest clay court player" - even the years when Rafa had the h2h lead in outdoor hard! He's mellowed with time to become a more gracious person. But the nuance and shades of behaviour exist, for all 3. I do not agree with you at all, in your statement that Fed and Rafa are ambassadors for the sport while Novak is for himself. That is really far too reductive, please see his efforts for lower ranked players, for example- which those players themselves attest to.

3) I find it odd - really, really odd- that you should reference Kyrgios as an example of improving behaviour in this context. What are you comparing it to? With his horrendously crude, sexist comment about Donna when he was trying to "sledge" Wawrinka? That is the pits of bad behaviour, are you saying that his present antics are not as bad so it's OK? See, I am not saying Kyrgios is Satan incarnate or anything- I'm sure he has a good side as well. But overall, he is bumptious, rude, given to virtue signalling rather than genuinely displaying a good heart. He is also given to cynically playing to the gallery a lot, in my opinion. I do not agree at all, with your conclusion that Kyrgios' attempts are genuine while Novak's are "fake-ish". Do try to view the latter with less of a jaundiced eye, and who knows, you might change your opinion?

4) As to your last para - Yes, Novak should have been careful where he flung the ball, and ofc it was a terrible mishap that he hit the line judge. But your words almost seem to indicate he did it deliberately (I know you didn't intend it that way, but the way you phrased it carried that import). It was a flash of temper, it was wrong, and he paid for it with the DQ. Personally, I thought that a game penalty was the suitable punishment there, but it is what it is. I agree with you on the hope that he would work on controlling his anger in the future.

But overall, I would say that he is a Great Champion, with an iron will and a tremendous heart. I think his place in the legacy of the sport as one of the Very Greatest is secure, and will endure. He is not perfect, but he certainly is showing a lot of growth, and personally I strongly feel that audiences (though they may not designate him their favourite), do owe him respect for his magnificent achievements. And yes, I would reiterate that the fact he has overcome a mostly indifferent - and at times howlingly hostile- crowd to win so very often, is a further testament to his greatness. Nothing can excuse the behaviour of the crowd at the USO 2015 final, for example - it was so horrendous that almost all sports writers remarked on it. To a lesser degree, the same happened in Wimbledon 2019 - though it was definitely less boorish.

Though we disagree on many respects, I would thank you for the civil tone you have used in your reply to my earlier post above. It has been sadly lacking in some of the other posters here - and no, they are not Novak fans, who normally get accused of bad behaviour. :)
 
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GabeT

G.O.A.T.
One of the least popular number one players in part because of his bad attitude on the court sometimes screaming with anger, abusing balls, breaking rackets, but also because his game although efficient is just very boring to watch… However I hear that he has some fans in Serbia.

Welcome to the board! :giggle:
Please keep posting! :giggle: :giggle: :giggle:
Don't you all see, since @USO arrived on the scene, he has been nothing but good luck to Novak, whatever he says, the opposite is happening.

Since he joined, Djokovic became the HC GOAT with 12 slams, tied Sampras for most year end number ones, became the longest reigning world number one in history, defeated Nadal at RG, won 2 slams back to back, completed the double career slam, has pulled to within one of the slam record and.....overtook Federer on Instagram. Lol

Keep posting @USO you are Novak's good luck charm.
 

Jai

Professional
In years gone by, India produced some truly beautiful tennis players.
He won't listen. He has made post after post on this thread, snidely and patronisingly commenting on the "little to no tennis tradition and education" in India.
 
He won't listen. He has made post after post on this thread, snidely and patronisingly commenting on the "little to no tennis tradition and education" in India.

A word of advice: if you commit to not addressing someone, you don't continue to make backhanded comments towards him. Otherwise it looks like you never meant it.

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Arak

Legend
You need to get rid of this narrow minded assumption that Novak only has Serbian fans :)
I do not have this narrow minded assumption. In the contrary, I’m saying that not even all the Serbs are Djokovic fans. And the ones who are not are actually civilized unlike the average Djokovic fan.
 
When you consider he’s been the most overall dominant player across all surfaces since laver and most achieved, he really isn’t that popular for what he has accomplished. That is the truth. He should be considered god like (and talked about like Ali, Jordan etc,, maybe not for his game but his achievements) for what he has accomplished. Yet many just look at him like”meh yea it’s djokovic. Great player but not that interested”

I think a lot of it has to do with his style of game which isn’t flashy. He’s a solid consistent player but is just missing that flare on the court that guys like Sampras, Nadal, Federer, Agassi had
 
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Jai

Professional
I do not have this narrow minded assumption. In the contrary, I’m saying that not even all the Serbs are Djokovic fans. And the ones who are not are actually civilized unlike the average Djokovic fan.
Ok, you just made another terrible assumption, so that's fine. What you are effectively saying is that the average Djokovic fan is not civilised. Cool. Shows how civilised you are, making these broad brush assumptions.
 

tonylg

Legend
He won't listen. He has made post after post on this thread, snidely and patronisingly commenting on the "little to no tennis tradition and education" in India.

Oh, I'm pretty sure he knows about the rich history of Indian tennis.

If you can put that aside for a moment, how do you explain the lop-sided explosion in measured social media interest in ********? Is it that millions tennis purists who embrace India's rich tennis history all decided to suddenly follow your boy .. or is there another explanation?
 

zagor

Bionic Poster
I think all of this builds to my theory that the type of person who buys tickets to Grand Slam SFs and Fs is largely a Federer or older fan and probably would like all of Spencer Gore’s posts on here.

I sincerely doubt Spencer Bore watched a single match before Nadal's time. Also he obssesively hates Fed, why would any Fed fan like his posts if he were to register here?
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
Have you done any social scientific research on 'the average Djokovic fan'? If not then you are engaging in a rather crass smear.

I do not have this narrow minded assumption. In the contrary, I’m saying that not even all the Serbs are Djokovic fans. And the ones who are not are actually civilized unlike the average Djokovic fan.
 

Federer and Del Potro

Bionic Poster
Anecdotal evidence is shoddy I know but when I played club tennis at school Djokovic had a bigger fanbase than Fedal. The start of this schooling started right when he was really taking off, so it's not like he had a bunch of slams. He didn't.

I also went to the Cincy 2012 final and he had tons of fans there. Tons. Federer fans just tend to be the loudest/most obnoxious not necessarily indicative of the crowd support.

My former boss was an older guy and a huge Djokovic fan.

His popularity is grossly understated because he's not a PR drone like his contemporaries are.
 

Jai

Professional
Have you done any social scientific research on 'the average Djokovic fan'? If not then you are engaging in a rather crass smear.
I can't get my head around some of the crass comments being thrown about here targeting all Novak fans with broad-brush strokes, - and then, ironically enough, they will claim Novak fans are aggressive and abusive. o_O
 

Jai

Professional
Oh, I'm pretty sure he knows about the rich history of Indian tennis.

If you can put that aside for a moment, how do you explain the lop-sided explosion in measured social media interest in ********? Is it that millions tennis purists who embrace India's rich tennis history all decided to suddenly follow your boy .. or is there another explanation?
Frankly I have not "analysed" the reason as to why Novak is so highly popular in India, or indeed in many Asian countries as is reported. Does it really need analysis? It is what it is. If Fed can be so popular in say, England, why should another great player not be very popular elsewhere? There have been a number of posts out here claiming that "only Serbians like Novak/ cheer for him/ will remember him" - which is completely erroneous.

I can state, however, that claiming all Indian supporters of Djokovic have a) less tennis knowledge or "education" or b) started watching tennis after 2011, is FALSE.
 

BGod

G.O.A.T.
Out of curiosity: which countries are considered "Eastern Europe" nowadays?

As an Eastern European with a lot of friends and family in that part of the world there are a few tiers I suppose:

1. Russia, Ukraine, Belarus, Moldova, Bulgaria, Romania, Serbia, Slovakia are the most stereotypical in the cultural sense although Romania is an outlier in their language and some customs.
2. The Baltics & Poland are an iffy one sometimes because of the regions and the languages. But overall I'd say they wouldn't be rooting for Spaniards if you catch my drift.
3. Bosnia, Macedonia, Montenegro and Georgia (yes) would again not be classified in the traditional sense but unlikely to view Spaniards favorably.

Now with Serbia's location specifically, you have central europe as a strong tourist zone and Belgrade specifically a party reputation pre-pandemic. So I mean getting back to Novak's popularity I


Yes, he is the least popular by far. Here's some telling information: Djokovic has been the least popular of the big three by far, even since 2011 when he became the dominant force on the tour:

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According to the data, Djokovic is only the most popular player in Serbia, Bosnia and Croatia.

Yeah except you're using google. There is zero and I repeat ZERO chance Nadal is more popular than Novak in freaking Russia. Federer still #1 though.
 

Jai

Professional
Anecdotal evidence is shoddy I know but when I played club tennis at school Djokovic had a bigger fanbase than Fedal. The start of this schooling started right when he was really taking off, so it's not like he had a bunch of slams. He didn't.

I also went to the Cincy 2012 final and he had tons of fans there. Tons. Federer fans just tend to be the loudest/most obnoxious not necessarily indicative of the crowd support.

My former boss was an older guy and a huge Djokovic fan.

His popularity is grossly understated because he's not a PR drone like his contemporaries are.
:) oh dear. That narrative will not be accepted by the person who stated above, that the average Novak fan is not civilized. :-D
 

Federer and Del Potro

Bionic Poster
:) oh dear. That narrative will not be accepted by the person who stated above, that the average Novak fan is not civilized. :-D

A lot of people on this website don't seem to know a world exists outside of it. While I concede anecdotal evidence is not a great way to reliably measure things, I can confidently say here in the real world Djokovic is extremely popular. At least everywhere I've been in the States.
 
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It seems that the load balancers are quite expensive these days.
 
As an Eastern European with a lot of friends and family in that part of the world there are a few tiers I suppose:

1. Russia, Ukraine, Belarus, Moldova, Bulgaria, Romania, Serbia, Slovakia are the most stereotypical in the cultural sense although Romania is an outlier in their language and some customs.
2. The Baltics & Poland are an iffy one sometimes because of the regions and the languages. But overall I'd say they wouldn't be rooting for Spaniards if you catch my drift.
3. Bosnia, Macedonia, Montenegro and Georgia (yes) would again not be classified in the traditional sense but unlikely to view Spaniards favorably.

Now with Serbia's location specifically, you have central europe as a strong tourist zone and Belgrade specifically a party reputation pre-pandemic. So I mean getting back to Novak's popularity I




Yeah except you're using google. There is zero and I repeat ZERO chance Nadal is more popular than Novak in freaking Russia. Federer still #1 though.

I asked because the geographical definition has absolutely nothing to do with anything: might as well not talk about Eastern Europe at all, or talk about it in vague terms, just like when you say Northern Europe, but don't make a distinction between Germany and Norway, for example. Nowadays that term is strongly used by the Russians, who want to re-establish their influence on the part of Europe as it was determined after the WW2. Needless to say, that works only in their interest, but not in the interest of the very countries upon which they want to impose their alleged "claim", so it is actually damaging to the perception of the souverentiy of those countries.

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Kralingen

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A lot of people on this website don't seem to know a world exists outside of it. While I concede anecdotal evidence is not a great way to reliably measure things, I can confidently say here in the real world Djokovic is extremely popular. At least everywhere I've been in the States.
My experience with most people in the States is that they are complete front runners :) i.e. Djokovic fans in 2015 would be Federer fans in the mid-2000s easily. I really think the gap between fanbases is mostly generational, and most will support the player who's winning the most tbh
 

Federer and Del Potro

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My experience with most people in the States is that they are complete front runners :) i.e. Djokovic fans in 2015 would be Federer fans in the mid-2000s easily. I really think the gap between fanbases is mostly generational, and most will support the player who's winning the most tbh
Definitely get that a lot. Even when Djokovic was not the titan he is today though he had a lot of fans where I was at least.
 
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