Does Djokovic win another M1000?

Does Djokovic win another M1000?

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zvelf said:
LOL. Djokovic has nothing to regret about his career, certainly not any aspect to regret for eternity. He has every significant record other than number of career titles, leads the h2h against his two biggest rivals. He doesn't need to win another slam or masters title to feel fulfilled.
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Yeah. If anything he massively overachieved
 
Rosstour said:
Yeah. If anything he massively overachieved
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How exactly? He's been to 37 Slam finals and won 24 of them. That's about a 65% win rate which is good but not astounding. He even left Slams on the table (2020 USO, 2022 AO and USO) and had one canceled in the middle of his romp, (2020 Wimbledon). Even so, if he was winning Slams at the rate Sampras was once he got to a Slam final (14/18 or 78%), he would have 29 of them. Throw in a couple he left on the table or were canceled out of his control, and that would be 31 Slams. Then you could say he massively overachieved. Lol.
 
NoleFam said:
How exactly? He's been to 37 Slam finals and won 24 of them. That's about a 65% win rate which is good but not astounding. He even left Slams on the table (2020 USO, 2022 AO and USO) and had one canceled in the middle of his romp, (2020 Wimbledon). Even so, if he was winning Slams at the rate Sampras was once he got to a Slam final (14/18 or 78%), he would have 29 of them. Throw in a couple he left on the table or were canceled out of his control, and that would be 31 Slams. Then you could say he massively overachieved. Lol.
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Before 2011 novak was nowhere in the big 3 league.
Fast forward 2025 he is best among big3.
Massive overacheivement. Surely he was supossed to win 2 or 3 more but IF IF IF same metric applied to fedrer and nadal they could also won more than their tally.
All thing being equal Novak is the winner and that is bottom line
 
gamelovergold said:
Before 2011 novak was nowhere in the big 3 league.
Fast forward 2025 he is best among big3.
Massive overacheivement. Surely he was supossed to win 2 or 3 more but IF IF IF same metric applied to fedrer and nadal they could also won more than their tally.
All thing being equal Novak is the winner and that is bottom line
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Before 2003, Federer had 1 Masters title, was Slamless, and had never been ranked above #6. So what does what he had before 2011 have to do with where he ended? He has most the Slam finals and the most Masters finals, winning between 65-66% of those finals in both. I don't see how that's a "massive overachievement". He achieved more because he put himself in position more to reach where he is.
 
zvelf said:
LOL. Djokovic has nothing to regret about his career, certainly not any aspect to regret for eternity. He has every significant record other than number of career titles, leads the h2h against his two biggest rivals. He doesn't need to win another slam or masters title to feel fulfilled.
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:D

 
zvelf said:
LOL. Djokovic has nothing to regret about his career, certainly not any aspect to regret for eternity. He has every significant record other than number of career titles, leads the h2h against his two biggest rivals. He doesn't need to win another slam or masters title to feel fulfilled.
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The only thing he needed to be fulfilled, he got last year around this time. Everything else is a bonus. He could lose a slam from match points up against Sinner, and it wouldn't change anything.
 
Aabye5 said:
As he approaches the end of his career, Novak has turned his focus to the majors, not unexpectedly. However, in the current field, he still well ahead in some ways to every player not named Sinner and Alcaraz giving him a chance to capture more of the level 2 events on Tour.

So, weighing his mental orientation towards the majors against his continued high level, does Novak win another M1000?
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With Alcaraz out, Sinner possibly tired from Beijing (he did seem to suffer against Demon today) and given it's one of Djokovic's most successful Masters... Maybe Shanghaï can be an opportunity. He reached the final in Miami without dropping a set so if Sinner doesn't make it to the Semis, he has a chance. Maybe. It will be one of his best chances.

Bercy indoors is also one of his best chances IF he plays. Sinner doesn't want to overplay and get exhausted before his ATP Finals in Torino. Alcaraz is still learning in Indoors.

Not sure he cares much though. 40 is a good number.
Unless Sinner or Alcaraz start winning at least 4 or 5 Masters per year very soon, they aren't going to catch this up.
 
zvelf said:
LOL. Djokovic has nothing to regret about his career, certainly not any aspect to regret for eternity. He has every significant record other than number of career titles, leads the h2h against his two biggest rivals. He doesn't need to win another slam or masters title to feel fulfilled.
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Keep telling yourself that. He would have been retired by now if your analysis was correct. As i said after RG2022 QF loss to Nadal ,Djokovic was going to try and right that wrong. Obviously Nadal was basically retired after their massive match, but Djokovic saw Sinner and Alcaraz as the counter to all the weak era arguments. problem is they keep pasting him at the biggest events and if you know anything about Djokovic you will know a losing h2h at the slams v Nadal Sinner and Alcaraz will not sit well at all.
 
welcome2petrkordaland said:
Novak’s mental outlook vs. Sinner/Alcaraz at majors came about bc of his loss of physicality relative to theirs, so it’s physical primarily—obv. overall stamina, agility, speed, power, reaction time, coordination, & balance. On the whole, his steep increase in recovery time between points, between sets, between matches, and between events (although his light sched. neutralizes this to a large degree) is what does him in, and he knows it.

It’s amazing how long it actually took for his body to diminish from a phys. standpt! The definite undisputed Longevity GOAT!
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Logevity GOAT i agree with. My issue is though Djokovic is getti ng pasted from point 1 against Sinner and Alcaraz which does raise questions about Djokovics status in the goat rankings. Im not just whaling on Djokovic here, i do wonder if the game has moved on from the Big 3 tbh in terms of Sinneraz.
 
Aabye5 said:
Do you think Djokovic is really at a mental disadvantage to Sinner/Alcaraz? I see that as his strength!
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Yes judging at how he came out v Sinner at W and Alcaraz at USO. I knew before a ball was hot he was losing both matches in straight sets. Ive seen that look with Djokovic many times v Nadal at the slams.

Djokovic is a fabulous player, arguably along with Sampras Federer and Alcaraz the most naturally gifted ever to pick up a racket. Mentally though he has always been suspect in the biggest moments against his biggest rivals. That goes back 20 years.
 
If he can reach 4 Slam Semi in a year. Still good level to win an MS1000.

Maybe his heart not in it.

No Sinceraz in Canada. Had Djokovic played, very likely wins the event.
 
yama said:
Let's appoint Andy as coach in 2028 and win back-to-back Olympic gold medals.
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i dunno whether hes indeed trying again to win it but tbh i find it quite silly trying to reach that goal again, after winning it finally after so so many years awaiting, besides those chances are really low.. will be there
 
messiahrobins said:
Yes judging at how he came out v Sinner at W and Alcaraz at USO. I knew before a ball was hot he was losing both matches in straight sets. Ive seen that look with Djokovic many times v Nadal at the slams.

Djokovic is a fabulous player, arguably along with Sampras Federer and Alcaraz the most naturally gifted ever to pick up a racket. Mentally though he has always been suspect in the biggest moments against his biggest rivals. That goes back 20 years.
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Really?! First Fed, now Novak. What next? Rafa was a head case who couldn't win close matches because of 2012 AO?

Feel like we are rewriting history here.
 
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This is the chance he's been waiting for!

Good opportunity, so long as he can handle the heat. I believe it's going to get less hot, too, from now on.
 
The term “overachiever” is a compliment in my book. I wish that I was an overachiever. Everybody should want that.

Overachieving is a great thing. Look at Jerry Rice in the NFL. He outworked everybody. Look at his records. Was he the most talented? The scouts didn’t think so with his rather pedestrian 4.7 40 time. Big deal. He shattered all of the records. And those records still stand today. His work ethic was 2nd to none. And he’s now looked at as the GOAT wide receiver(almost universally). And his teammates that tried to hang with him in a workout gassed out early. This guy was the most intense player ever.
 
mike danny said:
Mentally he hasn’t been able to summon the goods against them
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I think he's just not as good as them now, maybe he flopped mentally against Sinner at RG and should have won one set at least, but other than that mentality wasn't much a problem. In any case, he "overachieved" a bit against Alcaraz lately due to being mentally stronger, except at the USO, of course.
 
Pheasant said:
The term “overachiever” is a compliment in my book. I wish that I was an overachiever. Everybody should want that.

Overachieving is a great thing. Look at Jerry Rice in the NFL. He outworked everybody. Look at his records. Was he the most talented? The scouts didn’t think so with his rather pedestrian 4.7 40 time. Big deal. He shattered all of the records. And those records still stand today. His work ethic was 2nd to none. And he’s now looked at as the GOAT wide receiver(almost universally). And his teammates that tried to hang with him in a workout gassed out early. This guy was the most intense player ever.
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Agreed. Overachiever is a compliment.

What you don't want to be is the player everyone says have far more abilities than what your results show. In other words an underachiever.
 
gamelovergold said:
Before 2011 novak was nowhere in the big 3 league.
Fast forward 2025 he is best among big3.
Massive overacheivement. Surely he was supossed to win 2 or 3 more but IF IF IF same metric applied to fedrer and nadal they could also won more than their tally.
All thing being equal Novak is the winner and that is bottom line
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If you delete Djokovic's first two slam matches with Fed when he just turned 19, then his record of 11-4 actually outranked Nadal's record of 10-4 vs Fed.
 
zagor said:
Physical and mental issues are very much connected, especially in an individual sport like tennis.

It's far easier to be clutch when you're at your physical peak.
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Yes I agree. I think the biggest reason for instance post stabbing Seles was not as mentally strong, was not the mental demons as some say (although likely still part of it) but that she was nowhere near as physically fit, and physical fitness or lack thereof ties into mental fitness. Also thinking of how Navratilova became very mentally strong, almost as mentally strong as Evert, once she became super fit, while was mentally weak during her early fat years. Borg and Graf were known for their mental toughness, yet also known for their supreme fitness, which probably went hand in hand.
 
zagor said:
Physical and mental issues are very much connected, especially in an individual sport like tennis.

It's far easier to be clutch when you're at your physical peak.
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True, but even the clutchest player is going to have problems if they can't compete physically.
 
Aabye5 said:
True, but even the clutchest player is going to have problems if they can't compete physically.
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That goes without saying.

However my point was that mental strength doesn't exist in a vacuum.

A player is mentally tougher at 25 at his physical peak than in his 30s. Simply because he has more confidence in his ability because of peak physicality.

Experience as a factor is very overrated in tennis, it won't beat younger legs.
 
zagor said:
That goes without saying.

However my point was that mental strength doesn't exist in a vacuum.

A player is mentally tougher at 25 at his physical peak than in his 30s. Simply because he has more confidence in his ability because of peak physicality.

Experience as a factor is very overrated in tennis, it won't beat younger legs.
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That may be a general consensus, with which I also agree, but not always the case. Wawrinka's mental strength and belief grew more in his later 20s into his 30s because he found the correct coach.

If you say that the perfect combination is in their early to mid 20s, yes, it is, but in reality, it doesn't always work that way.
 
Hitman said:
That may be a general consensus, with which I also agree, but not always the case. Wawrinka's mental strength and belief grew more in his later 20s into his 30s because he found the correct coach.

If you say that the perfect combination is in their early to mid 20s, yes, it is, but in reality, it doesn't always work that way.
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Yeah but Wawrinka is very much the exception to the rule, a very late bloomer. Hard to think of a similar example, maybe Rafter is the closest.
 
zagor said:
That goes without saying.

However my point was that mental strength doesn't exist in a vacuum.

A player is mentally tougher at 25 at his physical peak than in his 30s. Simply because he has more confidence in his ability because of peak physicality.

Experience as a factor is very overrated in tennis, it won't beat younger legs.
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but it doesnt go without saying. My argument is that Djokovic kept the scores close because he is mentally strong. If he was not as strong mentally, these would have been blowouts.

And no, I don't think experience is overrated in tennis. Connors said it right in my book.
 
I've enjoyed watching him for almost two decades. I'd hate to see him drop off the radar.
But I don't expect him to stay on the courts forever, much as it'd be great to have him take up doubles seriously.
 
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