Does Federer’s Halle loss remove him from the GOAT debate?

#18
Both are the GOATS. Federer leads but Nadal is younger so it’s normal. They are very similar.
Is a 13 slam differential in real tennis slams, 6 title differential in WTFs, couple year differential in weeks at #1, dozens of total titles differential, and 15 more sportsmanship awards from ATP players plus another 16 from fans.... really that "similar"?
 
#23
He'll always be "Sampras' Rosol".
Nah, Sampras' Steve Darcis, no? Just a junkballer with no weapons no?
The most disappointing thing was his lack of grass court play. Too much sitting back and trading ground strokes with Coric. Not enough chip and change, S&V etc.

Wish sometimes he’d bring his 2014 Fedberg style to 2018.
People forget that although S&V tends to shorten points, it is more physically demanding than neutral baselining.
 
#31
I think so. You can't seriously include someone in the GOAT discussion who has lost - what is it now? - three Halle finals??

Taking a look at Nadal for example, (who has a 1 - 3 record in Halle with that fabulous win over Lukas Lacko) he has NEVER lost a Halle final. Also when you take into account that Federer has only ever won 3 GAMES at Queens, it's a no brainer. We have to start reconsidering his GOAT status.
 
#44
Ever tried to S&V exclusively? There's a fair bit of ground that you need to cover in a certain amount of time, every time you serve. On top of that, covering the whole width of the net from passes requires a lot more athleticism than it would appear, not to mention the amount of running you have to do if you get too close to net and get lobbed.

With baselining, there is an element of predictability due to Wardlaw's directionals (think CC exchanges), so you only need that burst of speed if your opponent is hitting hard all over the place yet still keeping it in. Of course it becomes increasingly a physical game the longer the rallies go, but S&V is actually very demanding physically.
 

Tennis_Hands

Talk Tennis Guru
#47
Ever tried to S&V exclusively? There's a fair bit of ground that you need to cover in a certain amount of time, every time you serve. On top of that, covering the whole width of the net from passes requires a lot more athleticism than it would appear, not to mention the amount of running you have to do if you get too close to net and get lobbed.

With baselining, there is an element of predictability due to Wardlaw's directionals (think CC exchanges), so you only need that burst of speed if your opponent is hitting hard all over the place yet still keeping it in. Of course it becomes increasingly a physical game the longer the rallies go, but S&V is actually very demanding physically.
Everyone knows that the best S&V era were wimps.

Look at Mac, does he even have a biceps?

In case that the irony doesn't transfer very well, Mac was quite an athlete

:cool:
 
#49
Ever tried to S&V exclusively? There's a fair bit of ground that you need to cover in a certain amount of time, every time you serve. On top of that, covering the whole width of the net from passes requires a lot more athleticism than it would appear, not to mention the amount of running you have to do if you get too close to net and get lobbed.

With baselining, there is an element of predictability due to Wardlaw's directionals (think CC exchanges), so you only need that burst of speed if your opponent is hitting hard all over the place yet still keeping it in. Of course it becomes increasingly a physical game the longer the rallies go, but S&V is actually very demanding physically.
Yeah, according to old pros s&v was more strenuous to the body.
 

Pheasant

Hall of Fame
#50
Andy Roddick is the goat Roddick was injured during the 21 matches that he lost to Fed. However, both were at their peak during Andy’s 3 wins. Also, Andy finsished world #1 in 2003 when Fed was at his absolute peak.

Donskoy shredded Fed during their only meeting. So losing to Coric at his best event was to be expected, even though Fed is now re-entering his 2nd peak(first peak was 1998-2003).

At this stage, Fed is lucky to crack the top 500 in history.
 
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