Does Federer Actually Play With the RF97?

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  1. ProStaff forever

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    This is gold lol

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    This is gold lol
    Thanks for all design and proud owner of your works, do you mind to share the background of the drastic change between the 2014 and 2016 RF97A paint jobs? Thanks in advance.

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    I get what you mean: ive hit with the red RF and felt its heavy like a rock. Ive hit with the latest one and it felt solid, in a good way, with alot of control and feedback. Hopefully its only me.

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  4. gplracer

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    Peter this is too much! If other manufacturers do this as well it would explain why the Babolat Aero Drive made my elbow hurt years ago when I played with it.
     
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    My best guess is that this regretfully is mainly due to the rather wide tolerances in manufacturing/QC.
     
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    Here is a screen shot of the video in EPSN article about Rogers racquet at the USO 2017. Even his butt cap is different.

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    Reminds me of the Wilson Blade 2015 pro stock butt caps which were red/silver metallic and retail was black.
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  9. moon shot

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    I did notice in photos that Ron has posted the info, silhouette, and hologram are back in the throat.
     
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    I think something else is holding you back. Maybe a better eye out there can put their finger on the problem by watching this:

     
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  11. racquetreligion

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    when Feds stick is checked for flex ratings we will have the answer
     
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    I'm actually crying :D:D:D
     
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    Buckle down! You can't properly ANALyze this through tears!:p:D
     
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    Approach shot at 1:30 was top notch. Movement seems to be limited. Maybe he has a back injury :eek:
     
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    Tennis warehouse was selling some Dunlop pro stock frames (Option 2, biomimetic paintjob, extended length of 27.5', 16x19, 100 sq in headsize) in the vintage section and I was lucky enough to get a matched pair (365 sw, 12.1 oz, 65 Ra) strung but since the balance was only 1 pt HL I added 10 grams of lead tape to the handle and with an overgrip and it's now 360 sw;6pts HL;359 grams and despite the extended length frame and more oval head shape very similar to your modded autograph. This is my first hit with a extended length prostock frame (though I have hit with the prokennex ki5 pse and a modified Becker 11 se) and while serving is a challenge for me , the plowthru and stability are amazing even though I can hit effectively for an hour or so. I don't know which pro played with a Dunlop option 2 (I know robredo used a 2C).
     
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    This butt cap is actually found on the current Triad frames
     
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    On the Triad Three, but not the Triad XP frames that just came out. I was about to question you but then found it.

    It is similar but it looks like Federer's doesn't have a hole to pop the trap door, which makes sense on his frame. His edge also appears to have the recessed face and raised rounded lip the same as the traditional wilson buttcap, while the Triad has no recessed face.
     
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    Good point @moon shot
    I would also think that Federer uses a Pro Staff butt cap as opposed to the non Pro Staff butt cap found on the non Ultra XP Triads
     
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    Good eye but I still think its a bit different. I loved the pro stock Wilson Blade 2015 butt caps.
     
  20. Say Chi Sin Lo

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    Umm, no.

    These are just the BLX buttcaps painted in red. BLX buttcaps are the only ones with a clear bubble covering the W.
     
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    Not quite, it doesn’t have a trap door or size markings, but it does look similar.
     
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    It follows the style and design of those BLX buttcaps. He wouldn't need trap doors, not like he does any customization himself.
     
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    I wonder why Wilson is going back to the BLX styled buttcaps on these racquets, where as the main stream ones are still on the current (quite honestly, ugly) buttcaps.

    I loved that little bubble on my PS90.
     
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    I think it was initiated by the Sony sensor redesign. I think this model isn’t compatible.
     
  26. Povl Carstensen

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    Just like his grip shape supposedly is copied/modelled from an old favourite, he could very well be sticking to an "old" shape buttcap.
     
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    I think Ron Yu has explained a number of times over the years that Federer's butcaps are just whatever they have enough of the same of to do a whole batch of his frames when setting them up initially.
     
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    These red buttcaps were sent to us with the hairpins, so we are using them. If it ain't broke, don't fix it, I guess.
     
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    Hey Ron,

    Hope life is treating you well!

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    So, has anyone in this thread had in their hands an RF97 played by Roger and measured its SW?
     
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    Ron Yu of course :)
     
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    Hey Ron, given Wilsons terrible quality control in the retail market could you please just confirm the RA that Wilson are sending Roger for his frames before customisation?

    I read that you notice it doesn't vary by more than 1 or so RA on your machines but not sure what that figure is. It isn't divulging any of his specs I hope, just to see if Wilson are choosing a specific range for Fed. General manufacturers variances are +/- 3 RA according to Chris here:

    https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/ind...weight-in-tennis-rackets.389019/#post-5852556

    This would put the RF97A range between 65 and 71. I would guess the ones you are getting are between 65 and 66 given his previous frames?
     
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    Lots of answers here and something special @ 3:40 seconds

     
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    The GOOD news: It’s the same hairpin. His is modified. Yours can be too. In fact you can buy a few and shoot for different SW’s based on a number of published measurements of his actual frames.

    The BAD news: It’s not the frame!




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    With his main rivals (especially the older players) polarizing and playing at higher swing weights, highly unlikely Roger plays with 335 SW non polarized hoop racquet. Especially when you see his strokes, wrist flicks...much more likely guys at P1 put some lead at 12 o'clock (in fact, it's unbelieveable no one present here still didn't get one of Roger's racquet to confirm or disprove this). Not to mention siliconing of the handle so the other end gets polarized too.

    So, bad news...RF97A, it's not really Roger's specs as suggested. But funny how he can say 'it's the same racquet' even if his is clearly customized.

    Then, no confirmation Roger actually plays with as stiff racquet, which many suspect (like racquetnerd on his blog site, for example). If his pro stocks are flexier, so again more bad news: it's not the same hairpin as retail either!

    So what is the same as his racquets then, if not specs (customization), not racquet (custom handle side) or not even hairpin (flexier pro stocks)? Even if Roger believes it's the same, 1) he doesn't need to know every detail about different flex on his pro stocks and actual retail; 2) he obviously doesn't care about difference in specs which result from customization, as he clearly shows.
     
  37. Povl Carstensen

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    We have been over these points many times. It is quite commonly accepted that Federer plays with some lead in the hoop and lighter pallets (no lead). Whether the hairpin is different, everyone is allowed to believe what they want, but there are statements to the opposite.
     
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    Only people involved with Wilson have statements to make about these, but you know...
     
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    Wilson needs to sell racquets. In the first iteration of RF97A, everyone here was complaining how much of a log it feels due to its 335-340 SW. The second iteration dropped the SW and everyone is in awe about it. If Wilson were to sell it in Roger's specs at 355+ SW, nobody would buy it.

    At least we are able to buy the same hairpin that Roger is using. And I'm grateful for that.

    Btw, based on the pictures I've seen with P1 customizing racquets, carving out handles and removing the metal, it is very likely they start with the same racquets available in store.
     
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    holy Momma mia..........No wonder Roger is Losing his hair and needs a hair transplant................

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    Price is only 12605 Euros
     
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    Looks like @PeterFig and all others saying tht you can replicate his specs on a racket off the shelf were right....a little lead tape here n there and you can achiece 340 swingweight 9pt HL balance and 366g static easy...wonder what tin foil hatters will say now :D:p
     
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    And his RA is not low as claimed but the same as the commercial one
     
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    Make me one and I will pay you 12.6 Euros
     
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    Sure, and I'll throw in coaching lessons for free...
     
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    TW's Automated Customization tool provides three solutions. The simplest is to add 0.3 oz slightly above 6:00.
     
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    Thanks to Wilson qc mine had the same exact specs as alleged Rf specs for sale on twe
     
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    I am natural born skeptic so I have to ask:What is the proof that this is actual racquet that Roger plays matches with?

    Sounds like an easy $12350 euros
     
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    DNA test the overgrip
     

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