Does Federer Actually Play With the RF97?

yonexRx32

Semi-Pro
Where are they saying that? Endorsements and manufacturer insiders are very different things.
What's your point? That Federer's racket is a retail, off the shelf unit? You cannot get a SW of 350 with retail racket short of performing surgery on it. Given that, you believe that Wilson gives Federer foam filled, weigthed up, retail rackets so that P1 technicians can spend time removing the grip, the handle, grind it to the bare pin, remove foam and weight from the handle, THEN go on and customize it? Why is Wilson painting and providing XL H22 and H19 rackets to all their pros then, instead of giving them off the shelf rackets? It simply doesn't add up. Your 'insiders' are either clueless shmocks, BS artists, or are simply telling you stories because that's the party line.

Have your 'insiders' checked Roger's rackets and showed that the RA is 68, like the retail version?
 
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PeterFig

Professional
What's your point? That Federer's racket is a retail, off the shelf unit? You cannot get a SW of 350 with retail racket short of performing surgery on it. Given that, you believe that Wilson gives Federer foam filled, weigthed up, retail rackets so that P1 technicians can spend time removing the grip, the handle, grind it to the bare pin, remove foam and weight from the handle, THEN go on and customize it? Why is Wilson painting and providing XL H22 and H19 rackets to all their pros then, instead of giving them off the shelf rackets? It simply doesn't add up. Your 'insiders' are either clueless shmocks, BS artists, or are simply telling you stories because that's the party line.

Have your 'insiders' checked Roger's rackets and showed that the RA is 68, like the retail version?
Your timing could not be any better. From earlier today here are Roger's foam filled racquets at Priority 1 ready for new grips moulded. Roger's batch don't get the moulded grip from the factory, but that's the only difference. :)



Credit: Instagram / Priority1
 

chikoo

Hall of Fame
Your timing could not be any better. From earlier today here are Roger's foam filled racquets at Priority 1 ready for new grips moulded. Roger's batch don't get the moulded grip from the factory, but that's the only difference. :)



Credit: Instagram / Priority1
and the grip plays a huge part in how it balances & swings :)
 

yonexRx32

Semi-Pro
What's your point? That Federer's racket is a retail, off the shelf unit? You cannot get a SW of 350 with retail racket short of performing surgery on it.
Your timing could not be any better. From earlier today here are Roger's foam filled racquets at Priority 1 ready for new grips moulded. Roger's batch don't get the moulded grip from the factory, but that's the only difference. :)



Credit: Instagram / Priority1
Gee, I thought they were retail. Now they're not. That's the only difference? Cross your heart?
 

Faris

Professional
Gee, I thought they were retail. Now they're not. That's the only difference? Cross your heart?
Where did he say they are not retail? Dude, stop being a d bag, seriously. You're trolling now. Did you even read up on Peter Fig and Wilson officials previous posts on numerous threads here? They always maintained that Federers batch was same as retail minus grip and Fed sent it for customization afterwards. So bottomline: Its a damn retail racquet which is given to him without the grip, and Priority One take care of grip mold. How hard is it for you to understand that grip mold can have an affect on final specs of the racquet, jeez!
 
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yonexRx32

Semi-Pro
Dude, stop being a d bag, seriously. Did you even read up on Peter Fig and Wilson officials previous posts on numerous threads here? They always maintained that Federers batch was same as retail and Fed sent it for customization afterwards. So bottomline: Its a damn retail racquet without the grip mold which P1 takes care off. So yeah, it bottomline.
We know that Wilson officials would never lie...
 

jmacdaununder2

Hall of Fame
Your timing could not be any better. From earlier today here are Roger's foam filled racquets at Priority 1 ready for new grips moulded. Roger's batch don't get the moulded grip from the factory, but that's the only difference. :)



Credit: Instagram / Priority1
Damn!! That is so cool!! Thanks for the pic.:)
 

yonexRx32

Semi-Pro
Don't you see the custom sticker?

Not what you can get in IKEA, therefore those are not the exact same IKEA boxes!

Sorry.

:(

P.S. Are you an IKEA official?
That's blasphemy. These are certaily NOT Ikea boxes, as Wilson "insiders" will immediately attest. They are the special boxes Wilson makes for Roger and that you too can purchase for a cool $249, exactly like the racket they sell you. The boxes, like the rackets, are made in the exact same factory as Roger's boxes. Then they are customized by P1.
 
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Big_Dangerous

Talk Tennis Guru
Your timing could not be any better. From earlier today here are Roger's foam filled racquets at Priority 1 ready for new grips moulded. Roger's batch don't get the moulded grip from the factory, but that's the only difference. :)



Credit: Instagram / Priority1
That's awesome! I was going to inquire about whether or not Roger adds any weight to his frames now, but it appears that isn't the case. It kind of figures because that racquet in it's strung form is already 12.6 ounces, so it doesn't really lend itself to adding much weight at all, unless you want something up around 13 ounces! :eek:

I'd also be curious to find out how the racquet plays too. Probably won't make the switch to it, but then again my racquet of choice (Volkl PB 10 Mid) was recently discontinued, so I only have about 4 frames. :(
 
That's awesome! I was going to inquire about whether or not Roger adds any weight to his frames now, but it appears that isn't the case. It kind of figures because that racquet in it's strung form is already 12.6 ounces, so it doesn't really lend itself to adding much weight at all, unless you want something up around 13 ounces! :eek:

I'd also be curious to find out how the racquet plays too. Probably won't make the switch to it, but then again my racquet of choice (Volkl PB 10 Mid) was recently discontinued, so I only have about 4 frames. :(
I think you should go back and read the thread. In short, consensus seems to be that while these hairpins are retail, Federers racket is lighter in the handle (because the retail has some lead in the grip pallets). On the other hand Federers rackets has some ekstra weight in the head, so higher swingweight than retail.
My RF 97 with overgrip and POSG 16 was 356 grams, so I added 4 grams of lead tape to each side of the racket head, to get it closer to the often cited 364 grams of Federers racket, and somewhat closer to the ballpark of his sw. Makes the racket more solid, powerfull, and not that much harder to swing.
 

gplracer

Hall of Fame
Both of mine are 364g. They are missle launchers! A ton of pace and spin can be generated with this racket. I am really surprised at the significant difference over the PS97. I had lead tape on the PS97 too.
 

PeterFig

Professional
We actually buy our bins at Target.
See with that one Target reference Ron, you just ruined the following conspiracy chain:

Roger's racquets are in an IKEA box >
IKEA is from Sweden >
Like Sweden, Switzerland is a country in Europe beginning with an "S" >
Switzerland is Roger's home >
Lindt is from Switzerland >
Roger's racquets are made from Lindt chocolate and not graphite like retail
= Roger's racquets are different from retail

The truth is now out.
 

dgoran

Hall of Fame
That's awesome! I was going to inquire about whether or not Roger adds any weight to his frames now, but it appears that isn't the case. It kind of figures because that racquet in it's strung form is already 12.6 ounces, so it doesn't really lend itself to adding much weight at all, unless you want something up around 13 ounces! :eek:

I'd also be curious to find out how the racquet plays too. Probably won't make the switch to it, but then again my racquet of choice (Volkl PB 10 Mid) was recently discontinued, so I only have about 4 frames. :(
That should last you you entire life
 

SpinToWin

Talk Tennis Guru
Whether or not there is an answer to this, it would seem logical that there is a tighter QC for these rackets.
I believe it's been reported before that P1 gives Wilson a spec range for the hairpin, which Wilson then selects out and sends to P1 for customisation.

Edit: ^prime exhibit for why the human memory and/or the internet isn't reliable :oops:
 
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RJYU

Rookie
I believe it's been reported before that P1 gives Wilson a spec range for the hairpin, which Wilson then selects out and sends to P1 for customisation.
That would be incorrect. The manufacturer and player come to an agreement as to what racquet the player will use. Our job is to customize whatever racquet that is, into something that the player wants. We don't have nearly the authority to tell the manufacturers what we want to work with. I'd love it if we could because that would make my job so much easier.
 

SpinToWin

Talk Tennis Guru
That would be incorrect. The manufacturer and player come to an agreement as to what racquet the player will use. Our job is to customize whatever racquet that is, into something that the player wants. We don't have nearly the authority to tell the manufacturers what we want to work with. I'd love it if we could because that would make my job so much easier.
Oh, so you DO have to work for your money! ;) :p

Jokes aside, thanks for correcting me, lots of misinformation on the web :)
 

sureshs

Bionic Poster
That would be incorrect. The manufacturer and player come to an agreement as to what racquet the player will use. Our job is to customize whatever racquet that is, into something that the player wants. We don't have nearly the authority to tell the manufacturers what we want to work with. I'd love it if we could because that would make my job so much easier.
Do they, however, do some pre-screening from their side without being asked, for example, close compliance to published specs?

Also, if you know, what is the procedure with shoes? It seems to be that a top pro like Roger wears new shoes to every match or does he break them in first? That was the first question.

Second question is, is there a compliance-check by Nike when they send him shoes? Rackets are important, but playing with a shoe which is pinching your toe is probably very uncomfortable. How does this work?
 

RJYU

Rookie
Do they, however, do some pre-screening from their side without being asked, for example, close compliance to published specs?

Also, if you know, what is the procedure with shoes? It seems to be that a top pro like Roger wears new shoes to every match or does he break them in first? That was the first question.

Second question is, is there a compliance-check by Nike when they send him shoes? Rackets are important, but playing with a shoe which is pinching your toe is probably very uncomfortable. How does this work?
I have no idea what they do before they send us racquets. For all I know, they just grab some and send them to us, or just as likely, they meticulously check all the racquets before sending us particular frames. We don't need to know their procedures since we're able to customize all the ones they send us to his final desired specs.

As for shoes, you'll need to talk to the people that customize shoes for pro players. I have absolutely zero knowledge as to what goes into designing/manufacturing/promoting/distributing shoes.
 

Geoff

Hall of Fame
That would be incorrect. The manufacturer and player come to an agreement as to what racquet the player will use. Our job is to customize whatever racquet that is, into something that the player wants. We don't have nearly the authority to tell the manufacturers what we want to work with. I'd love it if we could because that would make my job so much easier.
Hello @RJYU. I remember seeing a pile of handles you removed that you posted (Twitter possibly) so that being said you are obviously not always (maybe never?) receiving frames in hairpin form. Your insights are greatly appreciated.
 

rockbox

Semi-Pro
I have no idea what they do before they send us racquets. For all I know, they just grab some and send them to us, or just as likely, they meticulously check all the racquets before sending us particular frames. We don't need to know their procedures since we're able to customize all the ones they send us to his final desired specs.

As for shoes, you'll need to talk to the people that customize shoes for pro players. I have absolutely zero knowledge as to what goes into designing/manufacturing/promoting/distributing shoes.
I'm curious about the process you go through to customize handles. Do you use the same process the manufacturers use to create the foam handles, or do you glue on foam pallets or some other technique.
 

mtommer

Hall of Fame
See with that one Target reference Ron, you just ruined the following conspiracy chain:

Roger's racquets are in an IKEA box >
IKEA is from Sweden >
Like Sweden, Switzerland is a country in Europe beginning with an "S" >
Switzerland is Roger's home >
Lindt is from Switzerland >
Roger's racquets are made from Lindt chocolate and not graphite like retail
= Roger's racquets are different from retail

The truth is now out.

So you admit IT!!!! Liar, all this time!!!!!!!!!! :D
 

Harry_Wild

G.O.A.T.
Here how to get the real, actual tour player's racquet with no charge at all! Just go and qualify to be a top 20 tour player and the racquet companies will be more then happy to give you a racquet of a top 10 player to try out! And if you want to try it immediately, I am sure that anyone of them in the locker room that you will be sharing will just say keep it or bring it back when you are done with it unless you make enemies of the person before hand! LOL!
 

Sambuccashake

Hall of Fame
We don't need to know their procedures since we're able to customize all the ones they send us to his final desired specs.
Have you come across anyone who is so picky/meticulous that even though the final spec is 100% exactly on point, prefer racquet A to racquet B beacuse the individual customization method is different between the two? (lead placement and so on)
 
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