Does federer do any 1 thing better than anyone?

Andres

G.O.A.T.
Best fearhand, best single-handed backhand, best serve for a 6'1" player, best slices, best drop shots, best overheads, best backhand smash, best half volleys, best footwork, best trick shots and just best OVERALL.

Damn what's not to like?
From watching hundreds of tennis matches.
U have watched hunderds of matches and claim he has best serve for a 6'1" player ? Are u kidding me or what ? What kind of importance it has ? Federer compete in a league all players shorter than 6'1'' ?

If Federer doesnt have the best serve, or volley or backhand please dont say such a childish things like he has best serve for a 6'1'', he has the best half volley, he has the best quarter volley bla bla bla !!

BTW if you are interested Federer doesnt have the best one handed backhand ( gasquet and wawrinka have ), drop shots ( no one has the best one, its not a kind of specific shot )
No need to be angry mate, i agree Federer is the greatest, and has too many great sides to talk about. However comment like, has the best serve for a 6'1'' player, doesnt make him any better. Roger federer doesnt have anything best about his serve on the tour let alone in histroy !

Raonic, Karlovic, Isner have better serve ( and better second serves too ). Del potro, Berdych, Roddick, Tsonga all have same level of serve with Federer.
Really? Did you see his 25 aces in the 2007 Wimby final? Or the 50 aces int he 2009 Wimby final? How many times has Federer's serve bailed him out of huge pressure situations in big matches?
I believe you're forgetting another server at 6'1



I don't know. I heard the guy was pretty good at serving
 

okdude1992

Hall of Fame
Federer in his peak has the best FH, best drop shot, and best ROS on big servers. One could argue that his movement is the best(not the fastest so don't get your manties in a twist NSK) due to low impact nature.
Can for sure agree with this. You could probably add slice backhand in there also. No way his serve (1st or 2nd), topspin backhand, volleys, lobs or overheads are the best. They are all very good though.

Basically if you take an all court player with virtually no weaknesses whose every shot is clearly above average, you have a great player. If you add one of the best forehands ever, one of the best returns for neautralizing the first serve, some of the most precise and efficient movement ever then you have Roger Federer. Oh and throw in some ridiculous creativity and a great tennis brain for fun also.
 
Can for sure agree with this. You could probably add slice backhand in there also. No way his serve (1st or 2nd), topspin backhand, volleys, lobs or overheads are the best. They are all very good though.

Basically if you take an all court player with virtually no weaknesses whose every shot is clearly above average, you have a great player. If you add one of the best forehands ever, one of the best returns for neautralizing the first serve, some of the most precise and efficient movement ever then you have Roger Federer. Oh and throw in some ridiculous creativity and a great tennis brain for fun also.
And you have the GOAT 8)
 

Magnus

Legend
Yeah right
like murray surpassed federer in wimbledon...

look
the federer is human
sometimes he wins, sometimes he loses
and only GS count
and the guy at 31 bageled Nadal and Djokovic the same year
etc
etc
I strongly disagree with the bolded part. No FH is better than Federer's, even today.
When Fed is on, yes, he has the best FH, and nobody can surpass him. But let's be real, how many times do you see a really "on" Federer these days. Wimbledon was a good run, followed by a rather lucky at the Olymipcs (was lucky to win silver and got destroyed by Murray in the final). Fed's FH misses a lot at recent times, it no longer that big weapon that paints the lines and taken earlier than anyone's. I just can't say that today.
 

Gaz77

New User
I think Fed's movement sets him apart from everyone else. Does anyone else glide around the court like he does, no one thats fact.

Sure the likes of Nadal (when fit), Novak and Murray all move well and Novak's almost doing the splits to retrieve some balls back but you'll never see Fed doing that. I hope i dont jinx him but thats why Fed's very rarely injured and his longevity will out live any other players on the tour.
 

Gaz77

New User
Despite having an awsome forehand, i love the way Fed can kill the ball with a slice volley and just plop the ball over the net with huge back spin so the ball just dies, such a great shot i must rewind my Sky+ box (Tivo) like 10 times over before i get over what an amazing shot ive just seen.
 

Gaz77

New User
I believe you're forgetting another server at 6'1



I don't know. I heard the guy was pretty good at serving

Well i wouldnt say Wawrinka has a better backhand than Federer at all. Federer's is definately more graceful. I remember watching a tennis match, must have been the Davis Cup or perhaps even Olympics and the commentator said he's heard that Federer was giving Wawrinka tips on how to make his backhand better !!!
 

cknobman

Legend
Lets say Fed does not do any 1 thing better than anyone, Ok plausible enough.

What we can say is he does EVERYTHING better than 98% of EVERYONE. Proof? His career.
 

tennisplayer1993

Professional
He is just good at everything pretty much

He doesnt have the best 1st serve, 2nd serve, return, net play, footwork,speed
, the list goes on and on.


I was just wondering what people think he does better than anyone and compared to other top players.

Kind of like borg, did borg do any one thing better than anyone?
Aloe like Borg and he has a top 5 serve I wouldn't say best
 

Gaz77

New User
Yeah right
like murray surpassed federer in wimbledon...

look
the federer is human
sometimes he wins, sometimes he loses
and only GS count
and the guy at 31 bageled Nadal and Djokovic the same year
etc
etc

Some of the things you say i'd sort of agree with but what your forgetting and most importantly is age. Federer's in his 30's now Murray's mid 20's in this elite sport fitness and mindset is everything. Federer will still have great shots when he's in his 50's, why because he's just that great of a player but his speed and midset will change, just like it has now, but ask yourself this 'will Murray, Novak etc be as good as Federer is now when they are his age', i dont think so.

Will there ever be another 'Federer' at some point in the future when RF retires, the pro's better hope not because if anyone in the future can surpas Federer's current achievements, he's going to one hell of a player.
 

Steve0904

Talk Tennis Guru
When Fed is on, yes, he has the best FH, and nobody can surpass him. But let's be real, how many times do you see a really "on" Federer these days. Wimbledon was a good run, followed by a rather lucky at the Olymipcs (was lucky to win silver and got destroyed by Murray in the final). Fed's FH misses a lot at recent times, it no longer that big weapon that paints the lines and taken earlier than anyone's. I just can't say that today.
How was he lucky to win silver? Because he won an epic match where he was always in the lead in the third set? That makes no sense. If Delpo was serving for it, and he choked that would be different, but he never was.

He's "on" more often than not even today. Who's FH would you rate better today? Berdych, Tsonga, and Delpo are too inconsistent so it has to be one of the other top 3 because it's no one outside of them. Djokovic and Murray have improved their FH, and Nadal's is great, but even today nobody wants to get into a FH to FH battle with Federer, and I mean nobody.
 

anubis

Hall of Fame
He doesn't have the best footwork in the game because he doesn't need to. He teleports to the ball.
 

TheFifthSet

Legend
Forehand-Lendl

Second serve-Sampras

Drop shot- Albert Portas :)

Volley- let's say Edberg...
Wasn't the discussion about who was the best in todays game? None of these players play today. And even so, while Lendl had a great forehand it's AT BEST comparable to Federers . . . not superior.

And nobody today has better footwork (movement could be a different story), nobody.
 

Gonzo_style

Hall of Fame
Wasn't the discussion about who was the best in todays game? None of these players play today. And even so, while Lendl had a great forehand it's AT BEST comparable to Federers . . . not superior.

And nobody today has better footwork (movement could be a different story), nobody.
I don't know, OP mentioned Borg.

Federer has a much better service than Lendl, because that I think Lendl forehand is better, but that's just my opinion. If we look only forehand, regardless of other shots and movement, maybe guy in my avatar had a best.
 

TheFifthSet

Legend
I don't know, OP mentioned Borg.

Federer has a much better service than Lendl, because that I think Lendl forehand is better, but that's just my opinion. If we look only forehand, regardless of other shots and movement, maybe guy in my avatar had a best.
Yes, you're certainly entitled to your opinion.

Thing is, nobody has a stroke that is unanimously considered the best so we could argue about this for years. Who had the best serve? Sampras, Krajicek, Gonzales, Karlovic, Ivanisevic, etc. Best FH? Probably Fed but it might be Segura, Lendl etc. etc. BH? Budge, Connors, Agassi, Murray, Djokovic, Nalby, Safin, Guga. Volley? Edberg, McEnroe, Roche, Laver, etc. Return? Connors, Agassi, Borg, Chang, Hewitt, Murray, Djokovic.

So we could have this discussion about any all-time great. Out of all those though, Federers forehand seems to have the most decisive advantage over the others (in terms of how it's regarded by others.) Federers forehand, Sampras' second serve and Rosewall's slice are all pretty universally regarded as the best, and the least open to debate, but even then I suppose a stubborn-minded person could argue against them. It's all open to interpretation.
 
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Steve0904

Talk Tennis Guru
Yes, you're certainly entitled to your opinion.

Thing is, nobody has a stroke that is unanimously considered the best so we could argue about this for years. Who had the best serve? Sampras, Krajicek, Gonzales, Karlovic, Ivanisevic, etc. Best FH? Probably Fed but it might be Segura, Lendl etc. etc. BH? Budge, Connors, Agassi, Murray, Djokovic, Nalby, Safin, Guga. Volley? Edberg, McEnroe, Roche, Laver, etc. Return? Connors, Agassi, Borg, Chang, Hewitt, Murray, Djokovic.

So we could have this discussion about any all-time great. Out of all those though, Federers forehand seems to have the most decisive advantage over the others (in terms of how it's regarded by others.) Federers forehand, Sampras' second serve and Rosewall's slice are all pretty universally regarded as the best, and the least open to debate, but even then I suppose a stubborn-minded person could argue against them. It's all open to interpretation.
I get your point, but you'd have to be pretty stubborn to argue against some choices, but I suppose there are more than enough people on this board like that.

If we assume all these people are in their primes, and we're talking all time then my breakdown would go like this. Of course technology has played a huge role. If Laver was in his prime today for example, he may have the undisputed best BH or some other category.

Best FH I would give to Federer, beyond a shadow of a doubt.

Best serve overall (1st and 2nd) goes to Sampras, no questions asked. Some of the taller guys just have big serves because they're tall, which is kind of an unfair advantage.

Best ROS, I would heavily favour Djokovic there, although I suppose cases could be made for Connors or Agassi, Fed could get mention for his ability to return huge serves which is part of his insane reflexes and crazy good anticipation.

I'd also probably favour Djokovic for best BH, but at the same time I think a SHBH, and a 2 hand BH could be put in totally different categories, and I think that one is a lot more open to interpretation. Agassi, for example hit his BH flatter because of the speeds of the courts at the time.
 
I get your point, but you'd have to be pretty stubborn to argue against some choices, but I suppose there are more than enough people on this board like that.

If we assume all these people are in their primes, and we're talking all time then my breakdown would go like this. Of course technology has played a huge role. If Laver was in his prime today for example, he may have the undisputed best BH or some other category.

Best FH I would give to Federer, beyond a shadow of a doubt.

Best serve overall (1st and 2nd) goes to Sampras, no questions asked. Some of the taller guys just have big serves because they're tall, which is kind of an unfair advantage.

Best ROS, I would heavily favour Djokovic there, although I suppose cases could be made for Connors or Agassi, Fed could get mention for his ability to return huge serves which is part of his insane reflexes and crazy good anticipation.

I'd also probably favour Djokovic for best BH, but at the same time I think a SHBH, and a 2 hand BH could be put in totally different categories, and I think that one is a lot more open to interpretation. Agassi, for example hit his BH flatter because of the speeds of the courts at the time.
Being tall is not an unfair advantage. Might as well say Sampras had an unfair advantage, because he was strong. Anyway Karlovic has the best serve ever in tennis. The stats back this up.
When comparing first and second serves then Roddick's is not too far behind Pete's either.

Return of serve for me goes to Agassi, since he played on a faster court and faced bigger servers. Djokovic has never had to face the likes of Sampras, Roddick, Scud, Stich, Krajicek and Goran on fast surfaces. Djokovic even has a relatively poor head to head with bigger servers like Tsonga and Roddick, whilst he has struggled with Steps in the past.

As for best backhand you have missed out Safin. Safin's backhand much like Agassi's had no weakness. Was great on every surface against every shot and brilliant at passing.
 

Steve0904

Talk Tennis Guru
Being tall is not an unfair advantage. Might as well say Sampras had an unfair advantage, because he was strong. Anyway Karlovic has the best serve ever in tennis. The stats back this up.
When comparing first and second serves then Roddick's is not too far behind Pete's either.

Return of serve for me goes to Agassi, since he played on a faster court and faced bigger servers. Djokovic has never had to face the likes of Sampras, Roddick, Scud, Stich, Krajicek and Goran on fast surfaces. Djokovic even has a relatively poor head to head with bigger servers like Tsonga and Roddick, whilst he has struggled with Steps in the past.

As for best backhand you have missed out Safin. Safin's backhand much like Agassi's had no weakness. Was great on every surface against every shot and brilliant at passing.
I still say best overall serve goes to Sampras because of his 2nd serve. You've also used a pretty flimsy argument because being naturally tall has to do with genetics, whereas anybody can get strong if they work out enough.

In Djokovic's defense his ROS hasn't really been GOAT quality for that long, but as I said, cases could be made for Connors or Agassi, and that is pretty much the one I was thinking about. Djokovic did lose to Isner this year, and he hasn't really had much chance to face a truly big server, (i.e Isner, Karlovic, Raonic, Roddick,) 2011-present. His returns against Delpo were great this year at the USO, but his serve is not quite up there with those guys.

I didn't miss out on Safin. As I said, it's more open to interpretation. I could've used Safin as my example, but I chose Agassi. It was only an example.
 
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He has this slice dropshot that curves sideways, typically to the opponents right. He's the absolute best at it. I've seen him do it several times where opponents are running from far left. That curve just makes it even more difficult for opponents to get to. I saw him do it against Murray at a WTF, forgot which year though.

I think he's the only player that does it.
 

Steve0904

Talk Tennis Guru
He has this slice dropshot that curves sideways, typically to the opponents right. He's the absolute best at it. I've seen him do it several times where opponents are running from far left. That curve just makes it even more difficult for opponents to get to. I saw him do it against Murray at a WTF, forgot which year though.

I think he's the only player that does it.
I know which year it was if we're on the same page. It was 2008. Here it is:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQNX2OC_ttk

It's the match against Murray as you said. Funniest part about it is that he struts a bit after he hits it as if to say "Get to that b****. Of course, he also had back problems in that match which is why he could be walking as if he's crippled, but full credit to Murray.
 
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Alchemy-Z

Hall of Fame
well considering how most of the tour grinds...I would say he gets the most done with you smallest amount of wasted energy.

sometimes this backfires for him...but really his early strike tennis is I think his #1 strength
 
I know which year it was if we're on the same page. It was 2008. Here it is:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQNX2OC_ttk

It's the match against Murray as you said. Funniest part about it is that he struts a bit after he hits it as if to say "Get to that b****. Of course, he also had back problems in that match which is why he could be walking as if he's crippled, but full credit to Murray.
Yeah, that's the shot. At 0:36.

I love how he walks away like the point is over and Murray is still chasing that ball down. Federer knows there's no way in hell he's getting that shot. Lol.
 

Bobby Jr

G.O.A.T.
..Federer has a much better service than Lendl, because that I think Lendl forehand is better, but that's just my opinion. ...
I still don't know how anyone can actually watch tennis and think Lendl's forehand is in the same ballpark as Federer's.

This specific example seems to be one of the most oft-used tennis myths which relies more on romantic misremembering than having any real basis in fact.

The fact that there is tons of actual footage of them at their respective peaks easily available on youtube makes it even more astonishing that people would continue to think Lendl's forehand even comes close to Federer's.
 

smoledman

G.O.A.T.
I still don't know how anyone can actually watch tennis and think Lendl's forehand is in the same ballpark as Federer's.

This specific example seems to be one of the most oft-used tennis myths which relies more on romantic misremembering than having any real basis in fact.

The fact that there is tons of actual footage of them at their respective peaks easily available on youtube makes it even more astonishing that people would continue to think Lendl's forehand even comes close to Federer's.
But Lendl didn't get to play with the poly strings.
 

SLD76

G.O.A.T.
He obviously chooses barbers well, the hair is always magnificent...although it was looking uncharacteristrcially limp after
cincy.
 

TennisCJC

Legend
Federer's movement may be the best ever. I have been watching tennis for 35+ years and don't remember anyone moving so well.

Also, his forehand is certainly one of the all time best and his serve is near all time best category. Personally, I think Sampras' serve was slightly better by a very, very small margin.
 

dimeaxe

Semi-Pro
He obviously chooses barbers well, the hair is always magnificent...although it was looking uncharacteristrcially limp after
cincy.
I think he shaves with the newest Gillette model, likely that's part of the obligations in contract;)By the way, is there any RF sig model???:)
 
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