Does going to work just suck for you ???

#53
Leninism was about work! It was about workers getting paid right and not being exploited. Actually it was about workers finding work in the first place without needing to curry favors. The idea emerged in the industrial revolution when people could not sustain themselves by agriculture, and flocked to cities to work for factory owners under inhuman conditions, when they were allowed to work at all. Every morning they stood in line hoping that the owner would like their face and invite them in.

When the conditions improved, it became less and less relevant.

My utopia is not Leninism, Marxism, socialism, populism, or capitalism. No ism survives forever because conditions change, and when it does, it is only in name and actually becomes a hybrid of other isms.

My utopia is no work at all. Robots do the work, those who want to program robots do that work and get highly rewarded for it. The rest (or the same person who no longer wants to program robots) enjoys universal basic income for tennis and other needs, and gets free health care.

That is already what those born into wealth do today. To prevent the masses from rioting, they pretend to work with a serious face, and also throw in some philanthropy on the side to fool the people.

But what you described previously was classic Communism.
 
#54
I used to think that the boredom would be unbearable. But having seen several players at my club retire, I have changed my mind. They say that they don't miss work at all, and are having a lot of fun playing tennis daily, visiting children and grandchildren, and pursuing their other hobbies. As the old joke goes, no one ever said after retirement that I wish I had worked more.
Yep...retired two years ago, I play a lot of tennis, and travel.
 
#56
Other than sleep, work is usually the activity we spend the most time on, so years ago I told myself I will only do work I enjoy or find rewarding in some way.

Some jobs have been so enjoyable that after working 22 straight hours I still didn't feel tired.
Which is awesome.
 

sureshs

Bionic Poster
#57
But what you described previously was classic Communism.
Pure isms don't work. So-called capitalism is not pure capitalism at all, but a mixture with socialism and populism. Without them, capitalism will collapse.

What we need is to give up comparison with past isms and start with a clean slate. Robots do whatever work is needed and generate wealth, people who want to help design the robots and take everything to the next level make a lot of money, those who want to opt out of the rat race get basic income and health care and do whatever they want.
 
#59
Right now in the current world what would you say is working?
How’d I get to cure the world’s ills?

Empirically capitalism worked out pretty well for me....but that’s as far as I can comment.

Did I get a few breaks, yes I did, but so did everyone who is successful...tha’s just the way it is.
 
#60
Pure isms don't work. So-called capitalism is not pure capitalism at all, but a mixture with socialism and populism. Without them, capitalism will collapse.

What we need is to give up comparison with past isms and start with a clean slate. Robots do whatever work is needed and generate wealth, people who want to help design the robots and take everything to the next level make a lot of money, those who want to opt out of the rat race get basic income and health care and do whatever they want.
So communisim with a slight twist...your ideal discounts human nature and the drive of the id, ego & super-ego.
 

sureshs

Bionic Poster
#61
So communisim with a slight twist...your ideal discounts human nature and the drive of the id, ego & super-ego.
Not much of id, ego and super-ego is left when suffering from a disease without health benefits. Chanting "freedom" and waving the flag won't prevent peeing in your diapers.
 
#62
Not much of id, ego and super-ego is left when suffering from a disease without health benefits. Chanting "freedom" and waving the flag won't prevent peeing in your diapers.
What does healthcare have to do with incontinence? In many cases, it can't be fixed.
 
#64
Not much of id, ego and super-ego is left when suffering from a disease without health benefits. Chanting "freedom" and waving the flag won't prevent peeing in your diapers.
What?!? That came outta left field...what an evasive response. So you’re the kinda guy that just can’t admit to being incorrect....gotcha
 
#66
I used to think that the boredom would be unbearable. But having seen several players at my club retire, I have changed my mind. They say that they don't miss work at all, and are having a lot of fun playing tennis daily, visiting children and grandchildren, and pursuing their other hobbies. As the old joke goes, no one ever said after retirement that I wish I had worked more.
Surely the real agenda is more time for The AYCE Buffet?
 

sureshs

Bionic Poster
#67
For all of you who think your work is important, if you truly reflect on it, you will realize it is mostly work that can be automated or done cheaper by somebody else. So basically, you really don't deserve the money you make. You are just a placeholder for the time till which you can be replaced.

Think about it.
 
#68
For all of you who think your work is important, if you truly reflect on it, you will realize it is mostly work that can be automated or done cheaper by somebody else. So basically, you really don't deserve the money you make. You are just a placeholder for the time till which you can be replaced.

Think about it.
I forwarded this to your boss and coworkers and posted it on your Facebook page.
 
#69
For all of you who think your work is important, if you truly reflect on it, you will realize it is mostly work that can be automated or done cheaper by somebody else. So basically, you really don't deserve the money you make. You are just a placeholder for the time till which you can be replaced.

Think about it.
I am a huge proponent of evolution but after 15 months in Vegas I am doubting it
 
#81
I enjoy my job and the impact, social significance. I’m very passionate about it. But I don’t like the lack of funding and attention it deserves. I graduated only a few years ago and it hurts to see a lot of people I knew do jobs that have little social impact or are socially irresponsible yet they make astronomically more money and seem to be able to do more because of it. I want to believe that years of grunt work will pay off.
 

Raul_SJ

Hall of Fame
#82
I'm commuting right now and experiencing schadenfreude by reading of @dgold44 's misery.

Speaking of virus, one just tried to invade my phone when I tried to research a really dangerous place to live. Surprised to see my Orlando at #3 behind only St. Louis and Hotlanta. Lost Wages didn't make top 10.
Orlando is dangerous?! DisneyWorld's back yard? Home of Mickey Mouse.

:(
 
#84
I enjoy my job and the impact, social significance. I’m very passionate about it. But I don’t like the lack of funding and attention it deserves. I graduated only a few years ago and it hurts to see a lot of people I knew do jobs that have little social impact or are socially irresponsible yet they make astronomically more money and seem to be able to do more because of it. I want to believe that years of grunt work will pay off.
I see this in the millennial generation - my son has a job that has impact on the lives of many others and he finds it rewarding and the pay is decent; but I've told him that he could make twice as much in the corporate world (at least where I work) but he'll be a small cog in a big machine and a lot of stuff that many workers don't like (politics, process, bureaucracy) are here as they are in most of the corporate world.

If you want to make money, you may have to do a lot of things that you don't enjoy doing or even don't want to do, like playing politics and stepping over other people.
 
#87
pros

I have no jerk boss

Cons

Rude customers all day
Boring repetitive tasks
Semi dangerous surrounding area
Mentally Ill and psychotic customers
Feels like I am in a prison
Any place one doesn't like being is a prison. You have two options:
1. Do something you like doing
2. Learn to change how you relate to the situation. You have to learn how to let things go that bother you and throw it away. That way you can travel light.
 
#88
I see this in the millennial generation - my son has a job that has impact on the lives of many others and he finds it rewarding and the pay is decent; but I've told him that he could make twice as much in the corporate world (at least where I work) but he'll be a small cog in a big machine and a lot of stuff that many workers don't like (politics, process, bureaucracy) are here as they are in most of the corporate world.

If you want to make money, you may have to do a lot of things that you don't enjoy doing or even don't want to do, like playing politics and stepping over other people.
I’m not worried about money, I am lucky in that regard. I went to school in a small town in a rural state and was offered an office job with a salary within my industry if I had chosen to stay. I think my ignorance and lack of experience in the working world as well as dislike of rural culture led me to a hasty decision to move to a bigger city of my liking. I assumed that it would be easy to find the same job that I was offered and was disappointed to see how much more competitive it was and had to lower my expectations. I’m sure I’ll get there in a couple years but they just don’t prepare you for work in undergrad unfortunately. The money factor to me only comes up when I see my friends doing things I can’t afford basically. Can’t help the slight jealousy. But at the same time it’s helped me focus energy into things that cost less like outdoor rec activities. I know I’m just paying my dues and money will come later. It just came as a shock because in undergrad it really goes unmentioned as to how to apply your degree- for liberals arts in my experience anyhow.
 
#92
Communism...history has already proven that its a nice idea on paper, but it doesn’t work in practice.
I believe the concept behind it was roughly that it was the democratically proposed final step in a very slow and gradual transition from capitalism that generates money, technology, and resources to equal distribution. It cant work without enough resources too distribute. Every economy in the world is already mixed. So certain amounts of Capitals critique are already in practice and not questioned. Im no expert however.
 
#94
I'm commuting right now and experiencing schadenfreude by reading of @dgold44 's misery.

Speaking of virus, one just tried to invade my phone when I tried to research a really dangerous place to live. Surprised to see my Orlando at #3 behind only St. Louis and Hotlanta. Lost Wages didn't make top 10.
Has Orlando really become that dangerous ???

I would probably commite suicide if I had to live in boca raton with those NY types of schmendricks
 
#95
I believe the concept behind it was roughly that it was the democratically proposed final step in a very slow and gradual transition from capitalism that generates money, technology, and resources to equal distribution. It cant work without enough resources too distribute. Every economy in the world is already mixed. So certain amounts of Capitals critique are already in practice and not questioned. Im no expert however.
The entire dna of communism is pure olagarichy and they simply trick the peasants into believing this schmendrick uptopia is their to help them
It’s a huge fraud where the oligarchs live like kings and every one else like surfs
 
#97
The entire dna of communism is pure olagarichy and they simply trick the peasants into believing this schmendrick uptopia is their to help them
It’s a huge fraud where the oligarchs live like kings and every one else like surfs
you think Holland and Sweden is utopia lol

the population is drowned in taxes and drugs and they are too weak to even protect their own people
You sure sound like an expert ;)
 
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