Does Nadal deserve his no2 position

[itrium84]

...since he earned less points than Thiem in 2020?

 

[CYGS]

It is what it is. Does Federer deserve to retire? Yes and yes.

 

[Rafa4LifeEver]

It is what it is. Does Federer deserve to retire? Yes and yes.

Why does a legend like Roger deserve to retire, sir?? He has a great run left in him.

 

[octobrina10]

...since he earned less points than Thiem in 2020?

Does Fed deserve his No.5 position since he has earned only 720 points this year?

 

[weakera]

So Federer should be ranked in the 90's?

 

[mike danny]

Does Fed deserves his No.5 position since he has earned only 720 points this year?

The answer for both questions is no.

 

[junior74]

Why does a legend like Roger deserve to retire, sir?? He has a great run left in him.

Hate is strong within @CYGS.

 

[Phoenix1983]

It is what it is. Does Federer deserve to retire? Yes and yes.

If he retired before March 2021, he would at least be able to say he retired with the most week at No 1!

 

[aldeayeah]

Nadal tends to outperform Thiem in the clay and grass seasons and there wasn't much of either this year.

It's a weird year.

 

[vive le beau jeu !]

anyway, he doesn't even deserve to be ranked.​

 

[NatF]

I think Thiem was probably the second best player of the year, but I wouldn't phrase it as "Nadal doesn't deserve to be #2".

 

[USO]

anyway, he doesn't even deserve to be ranked.​

The only reason for that is because Nadal skipped Cincinnati and the USO where he would have most likely won more than 600 pts combined. Both Nadal and Thiem would deserve the no.2 spot, there's nothing wrong with either choice.

 

[pj80]

anyway, he doesn't even deserve to be ranked.​

damn Roger 29, imagine Roger vs Novak or Rafa round 3 at AO

 

[pj80]

The only reason for that is because Nadal skipped Cincinnati and the USO where he would have most likely won more than 600 pts combined. Both Nadal and Thiem would deserve the no.2 spot, there's nothing wrong with either choice.

You wouldn't say the same if Novak was in Rafas place and got the record for top 2 finishes

 

[CYGS]

Why does a legend like Roger deserve to retire, sir?? He has a great run left in him.

He's done enough for the sport so his retirement is well-deserved if he chooses to do so.

 

[weakera]

anyway, he doesn't even deserve to be ranked.​

Do you think Nadal skips USO if it wasn't for covid lol?

 

[Bamoos]

He's done enough for the sport so his retirement is well-deserved if he chooses to do so.

Same with N0-vax. Listen to the fans, they want new blood. He should retire immediately for the good of the sport

 

[itrium84]

The only reason for that is because Nadal skipped Cincinnati and the USO where he would have most likely won more than 600 pts combined. Both Nadal and Thiem would deserve the no.2 spot, there's nothing wrong with either choice.

Oh boy, I like it so much when someone shows his bias so transparently, when opinion is based solely on the current circumstances with no underlaying principle of any sort. Just imagine this guy's perception if Novak was in Rafa's place, and Rafa was in Thiem's place.

Now to answer this "woulda" argument - I agree. Yeah. Rafa is woulda coulda shoulda goat for a long time now. He would win 40 GSs by now, he could be 500+ weeks and 10+ years no1, he should be goat because he could, and definitely would.

I just don't get why Rafa's fans force this weak line of (un)reasoning!? I mean, he is soooo successful in real world, why making up an imaginary one?

 

[Gorecki]

Does Fed deserve his No.5 position since he has earned only 720 points this year?

I love the fact you have a whoopie cushion for a brain and still manage to live a half functional life....

 

[irishnadalfan1983]

The only reason for that is because Nadal skipped Cincinnati and the USO where he would have most likely won more than 600 pts combined. Both Nadal and Thiem would deserve the no.2 spot, there's nothing wrong with either choice.

Yeah kind of feels like they have both being second best player in the world this year.....

 

[Devtennis01]

Nadal won a legit slam.

 

[aldeayeah]

Interesting stuff!

2-6 are super close, we may see big shake ups in 2021

 

[Born_to_slice]

Do you think Nadal skips USO if it wasn't for covid lol?

If schedule of 2020 remained the same, for whatever non-viral reason, he'd still skip USO. You know it's true.

 

[Shaolin]

Yes #2 is an apt description

 

[Bender]

He's done enough for the sport so his retirement is well-deserved if he chooses to do so.

Nice save

 

[USO]

You wouldn't say the same if Novak was in Rafas place and got the record for top 2 finishes

Yes I would be extremely happy for Novak, a great guy.

 

[blablavla]

Does Fed deserve his No.5 position since he has earned only 720 points this year?

Nadal devotee, aren't you the first one to complain when someone brings Roger or Novak into a thread about Nadal?
Why are you bringing Roger now into a thread about Rafa?

 

[blablavla]

The only reason for that is because Nadal skipped Cincinnati and the USO where he would have most likely won more than 600 pts combined. Both Nadal and Thiem would deserve the no.2 spot, there's nothing wrong with either choice.

which he might not have done if the points were dropped, but ATP announced rule change, and Nadal made a wise choice.

 

[Cortana]

Rankings should reflect how good someone is. No point in putting Federer at 29 to let him meet Nadal/Djokovic in the 3rd round of a slam lol. Or putting Thiem at 2 so that the real slam final might take place before the actual final (like RG2013).

Current ranking seems fine.

 

[aldeayeah]

If schedule of 2020 remained the same, for whatever non-viral reason, he'd still skip USO. You know it's true.

Nah, don't think so. He'd play both "Cincy" and USO. If anything, because he would badly need the practice.

 

[aldeayeah]

Rankings should reflect how good someone is. No point in putting Federer at 29 to let him meet Nadal/Djokovic in the 3rd round of a slam lol. Or putting Thiem at 2 so that the real slam final might take place before the actual final (like RG2013).

Current ranking seems fine.

I mean, in the last 6 slams since RG 2019, Thiem has had the same amount of major finals as Nadal and Djokovic (3 apiece). He'd be a deserving #2. As things stand, he's a strong #3.

 

[r2473]

Yes #2 is an apt description

 

[Cortana]

I mean, in the last 6 slams since RG 2019, Thiem has had the same amount of major finals as Nadal and Djokovic (3 apiece). He'd be a deserving #2. As things stand, he's a strong #3.

Nadal won 3 of them, Djokovic 2 and Thiem 1?

 

[MasterZeb]

Nope

 

[Im(moral) Winner]

He should give it to Federer.

 

[octobrina10]

Nadal devotee, aren't you the first one to complain when someone brings Roger or Novak into a thread about Nadal?
Why are you bringing Roger now into a thread about Rafa?

You are wrong. Fed was brought into the thread in post #2.

 

[blablavla]

You are wrong. Fed was brought into the thread in post #2.

post #2 is irrelevant for what I am saying.
let's leave DCGS alone, life was hard on him/her either way.

you are always complaining when someone brings Fed or Novak into the threads about Rafa.
why are you bringing Roger into a thread about Rafa?
by this you are invalidating your own complaints.

 

[daggerman]

He's number 2, so he deserves to be number 2.

 

[Phoenix1983]

He's done enough for the sport so his retirement is well-deserved if he chooses to do so.

Wow, that's almost a compliment.

 

[CYGS]

Wow, that's almost a compliment.

Yes just retire as an ATG gracefully.

 

[dropshotlikeitshot]

Voted Thiem for going 2-0 vs Nadal.

 

[King No1e]

It is what it is. Does Federer deserve to retire? Yes and yes.

Who's Federer? I've only heard of Cow.

 

[Start da Game]

who really cares? thiem can have that no.2 spot, i am ok to give it to him.........all nadal and his fans care about is grandslam victories at this point.........

 

[blablavla]

who really cares? thiem can have that no.2 spot, i am ok to give it to him.........all nadal and his fans care about is grandslam victories at this point.........

there is a strong correlation between the chance of winning the GS and ranking.
if you are #3, or #4, you will almost guaranteed have to defeat Novak and then Rafa.

If you are #2, there is a chance that Novak and Rafa will play one SF, tire each-out, and then you have to defeat only 1 of them.

that's why there was so much fuzz about Fed's Wimbledon seeding from Rafa and Novak, when they realized that Rafa and Novak might get to play the SF, perhaps another 5 setter, and then proceed to play vs Fed.

or take RG 2019, if instead of Thiem, Rafa would have played 5 sets with Novak, who knows how that final would end.

 

[octobrina10]

I love the fact you have a whoopie cushion for a brain and still manage to live a half functional life....

I wonder why you pretend not to notice the title of the thread & OP.

 

[Start da Game]

there is a strong correlation between the chance of winning the GS and ranking.
if you are #3, or #4, you will almost guaranteed have to defeat Novak and then Rafa.

If you are #2, there is a chance that Novak and Rafa will play one SF, tire each-out, and then you have to defeat only 1 of them.

that's why there was so much fuzz about Fed's Wimbledon seeding from Rafa and Novak, when they realized that Rafa and Novak might get to play the SF, perhaps another 5 setter, and then proceed to play vs Fed.

or take RG 2019, if instead of Thiem, Rafa would have played 5 sets with Novak, who knows how that final would end.

i am ok with any draw for nadal........

 

[ChaelAZ]

Protected rankings for the top guy's win.

 

[Gorecki]

I wonder why you pretend not to notice the title of the thread & OP.

I dont. i find the subject debatable, and i actually think Nadal is fully deserving of his current ranking, given that the rules put in place award him that!

however. unlike you, i dont feel the moronic need to flail like a bumbling imbecile in defense of any given player, and even less the pathological need to engage in brainless whataboutism!

 

[MusterCoriaKuerten]

No

Thiem does

Corrupt ATP officials gifted him that ranking

 

[octobrina10]

I dont. i find the subject debatable, and i actually think Nadal is fully deserving of his current ranking, given that the rules put in place award him that!

however. unlike you, i dont feel the moronic need to flail like a bumbling imbecile in defense of any given player, and even less the pathological need to engage in brainless whataboutism!

Your comment applies to yourself: "feel the moronic need to flail like a bumbling imbecile in defense of Fed and the pathological need to engage in brainless whataboutism!" [Slightly edited between quotation marks.]