Does Nadal deserve his no2 position

Who deserves 2020 no2 more?

  • Nadal

  • Thiem


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pj80

Professional
The only reason for that is because Nadal skipped Cincinnati and the USO where he would have most likely won more than 600 pts combined. Both Nadal and Thiem would deserve the no.2 spot, there's nothing wrong with either choice.
You wouldn't say the same if Novak was in Rafas place and got the record for top 2 finishes
 

itrium84

Professional
The only reason for that is because Nadal skipped Cincinnati and the USO where he would have most likely won more than 600 pts combined. Both Nadal and Thiem would deserve the no.2 spot, there's nothing wrong with either choice.
Oh boy, I like it so much when someone shows his bias so transparently, when opinion is based solely on the current circumstances with no underlaying principle of any sort. Just imagine this guy's perception if Novak was in Rafa's place, and Rafa was in Thiem's place. :)

Now to answer this "woulda" argument - I agree. Yeah. Rafa is woulda coulda shoulda goat for a long time now. He would win 40 GSs by now, he could be 500+ weeks and 10+ years no1, he should be goat because he could, and definitely would.

I just don't get why Rafa's fans force this weak line of (un)reasoning!? I mean, he is soooo successful in real world, why making up an imaginary one?
 

irishnadalfan1983

Hall of Fame
The only reason for that is because Nadal skipped Cincinnati and the USO where he would have most likely won more than 600 pts combined. Both Nadal and Thiem would deserve the no.2 spot, there's nothing wrong with either choice.
Yeah kind of feels like they have both being second best player in the world this year.....
 
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blablavla

Legend
The only reason for that is because Nadal skipped Cincinnati and the USO where he would have most likely won more than 600 pts combined. Both Nadal and Thiem would deserve the no.2 spot, there's nothing wrong with either choice.
which he might not have done if the points were dropped, but ATP announced rule change, and Nadal made a wise choice.
 

Cortana

Hall of Fame
Rankings should reflect how good someone is. No point in putting Federer at 29 to let him meet Nadal/Djokovic in the 3rd round of a slam lol. Or putting Thiem at 2 so that the real slam final might take place before the actual final (like RG2013).

Current ranking seems fine.
 

aldeayeah

Legend
Rankings should reflect how good someone is. No point in putting Federer at 29 to let him meet Nadal/Djokovic in the 3rd round of a slam lol. Or putting Thiem at 2 so that the real slam final might take place before the actual final (like RG2013).

Current ranking seems fine.
I mean, in the last 6 slams since RG 2019, Thiem has had the same amount of major finals as Nadal and Djokovic (3 apiece). He'd be a deserving #2. As things stand, he's a strong #3.
 

blablavla

Legend
You are wrong. Fed was brought into the thread in post #2.
post #2 is irrelevant for what I am saying.
let's leave DCGS alone, life was hard on him/her either way.

you are always complaining when someone brings Fed or Novak into the threads about Rafa.
why are you bringing Roger into a thread about Rafa?
by this you are invalidating your own complaints.
 

blablavla

Legend
who really cares? thiem can have that no.2 spot, i am ok to give it to him.........all nadal and his fans care about is grandslam victories at this point.........
there is a strong correlation between the chance of winning the GS and ranking.
if you are #3, or #4, you will almost guaranteed have to defeat Novak and then Rafa.

If you are #2, there is a chance that Novak and Rafa will play one SF, tire each-out, and then you have to defeat only 1 of them.

that's why there was so much fuzz about Fed's Wimbledon seeding from Rafa and Novak, when they realized that Rafa and Novak might get to play the SF, perhaps another 5 setter, and then proceed to play vs Fed.

or take RG 2019, if instead of Thiem, Rafa would have played 5 sets with Novak, who knows how that final would end.
 

Start da Game

Hall of Fame
there is a strong correlation between the chance of winning the GS and ranking.
if you are #3, or #4, you will almost guaranteed have to defeat Novak and then Rafa.

If you are #2, there is a chance that Novak and Rafa will play one SF, tire each-out, and then you have to defeat only 1 of them.

that's why there was so much fuzz about Fed's Wimbledon seeding from Rafa and Novak, when they realized that Rafa and Novak might get to play the SF, perhaps another 5 setter, and then proceed to play vs Fed.

or take RG 2019, if instead of Thiem, Rafa would have played 5 sets with Novak, who knows how that final would end.
i am ok with any draw for nadal........
 

Gorecki

G.O.A.T.
I wonder why you pretend not to notice the title of the thread & OP. :unsure:
I dont. i find the subject debatable, and i actually think Nadal is fully deserving of his current ranking, given that the rules put in place award him that!

however. unlike you, i dont feel the moronic need to flail like a bumbling imbecile in defense of any given player, and even less the pathological need to engage in brainless whataboutism!
 

octobrina10

G.O.A.T.
I dont. i find the subject debatable, and i actually think Nadal is fully deserving of his current ranking, given that the rules put in place award him that!

however. unlike you, i dont feel the moronic need to flail like a bumbling imbecile in defense of any given player, and even less the pathological need to engage in brainless whataboutism!
Your comment applies to yourself: "feel the moronic need to flail like a bumbling imbecile in defense of Fed and the pathological need to engage in brainless whataboutism!" [Slightly edited between quotation marks.]
 
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