Discussion in 'General Pro Player Discussion' started by Andy270211, Jan 22, 2008.
Looks like it. No really.
why cause his butt is so big ??
I totally agree. Its caused by all the steroids he injects up his ass before each game, hence the twitches.
^^you are so vulgar and not impressive with that comment, try to be articulate and maybe try to muster up a good comment which is both constructive and intelligent. Some advice if you have nothing nice to say why not say NOTHING
I think what the OP and others are trying to say is that many of his quirks if you will are very indicative of someone with at least some degree of OCD. The way his bottles have to be placed just so, he even twists the caps the same number of times. His socks must be just right, even the butt picking that everyone seems to always make a deal about on here. He may not have a severe case but all of these things are somewhat OCD. At the end of the day it doesn't really matter as none of these things hurt anyone else and it is a way for him to be comfortable.
Can someone define this for me, OCD - I mean you poeple have these fancy names for simple things and I was wondering for some time what is this.
its where you have to have everything perfectly organized and in line with eachother.
Yes nadal is OCD.
If so I dont think he has OCD. I mean he scratches his butt but maybe its a wrong choice of underwear , Sharapova looks like a better candidate for that, she really does everything same every time and is ticked off if anything is not her way.Nadal used to be like that but lately I see him changing his routine on serve and other things.
Clinical diagnostic criteria as per the DSM-IV-TR is here: http://www.biologicalunhappiness.com/DSM-OCD.htm
It is clear that despite his quirks, it does not impede normal daily human function. There is no psychologist who would give Nadal a positive diagnosis.
Sharapova is just affraid that her dad'll shoot her if she forgets something.
I don't think it's OCD, I think it's superstition.
MANY athletes have their routines from which they will not get away. Goaltenders in hockey usually don't like to talk come gameday, some baseball players don't step on the lines, football players wear the same stinking rags under their shoulder pads, etc
Remember tennis is their profession. If you look around where you work, you will find people arranging the icons and windows on their monitor in exactly the same way, eating the same lunch, making a list of to-do things, getting upset if something is off, adjusting the car mirrors the same way, etc. Difference is a million people are not watching them.
He may have OCD, but a very mild case off it.
Its more likely superstition that makes him do the things he does.
That what I believe I remember him saying about his routine...
although he might just be saying that to cover himself from the stigmas associated with mental disabilities. I don't know what the perception of them are in Spain, but in countries like japan it is a humiliating thing to have a mental disability.
David Beckham has OCD.
Yes, he has a pretty bad case of it. The water bottles thing is a very extreme example. Notice how focused he is when straightening the water bottles before going on the court. And I didn't see it, but someone posted on here about how a trainer came on court to help Rafa, and when he moved the water bottles, Rafa was noticeable upset. That's OCD. That doesn't make him bad. Rather, I think it's good in his case, because it allows him to focus better. Once he straightens the water bottles, it's almost as if his brain is saying 'Okay, now we can play.'
And I wouldn't care if I was like Sybil if I was #2 in the world and one of the, if not THE, most popular athletes in Europe.
Statements done in poor taste reflects a persons personality, didn't your parents teach you that?
One word for this post: classless.
OCD=Obsessive Compulsive Disorder. It can manifest itself in a variety of ways. Most commonly, a person with OCD will not step on cracks in the sidewalk, or they will wash their hands after touching things (especially doorknobs and objects handled by the public), or they will count a certain number of times before doing something or before accepting that something has been done. For example, they might count to 3 before they walk past something, or they might have to open and close a door 6 times before they can walk away, etc. It is obsessive in that it is abnormal behavior. Most people walking on a sidewalk do not care about whether or not they have walked on a crack. But the OCD person will literally retrace their steps to before the crack, and then walk over that crack, before they can continue their walk. Rafa does have OCD, but like I said, I think it is good for him. Severe OCD is very, very problematic, and can become a state of psychosis. Rafa is far from severe.
Mm. See who cares if Nadal has OCD? Everyone's got problems, its not like everyone is perfect. Nadal's OCD-ness, butt picking, sock fixing that doesnt matter to me and neither should annoy anyone, he is always giving his best out there no matter what and thats what I think the game is all about. So stop picking on Nadal. He is a great player. And to me its not even OCD its just part of his whole focusing part of the game.
Im surprised that no one has pointed out any other players might have OCD. Djokovic for example just look at how many times he bounces the ball? Or how Federer always puts his hand into his pockets, or how Sharapova does her whole serving ritual or how Ivanovic doesnt step on the lines before serves or how Roddick smells his armpit before serves. Its just part of the "ritual" or the process of focusing.
Or should we say "bun"-worthy in keeping with the context......
Definitely, lets ban everyone who makes an off-color comment that we don't like, especially if its about a player we do like. It will make the world a better place, and rather quiet.
nah comeon give him a chance. Just let him off with a warning. I'm sure he won't do it again.
It's true, Taurus is the most possessive, obsessive sign of the zodiac. They may very well give you the shirts off their backs, but don't touch. If you knew the effort they put into acquiring every little item, you'd understand why. Don't touch!!
Maybe it's the Gemini/Taurus energy interchange, Rafa is a Gemini with Taurus moon. Was Bjorn Borg like this, he too is a Gemini w/ Taurus moon.
Andre Agassi, a Taurus w/ heavy Gemini in his chart, was also obsessed with everything being in its place. I'm a Gem (hehe) with heavy Taurus, and I'm pitbullish about people touching my things or comingling theirs w/ mine. And I do prefer when things are in order.
Really, or you're joking? Because he's a bull too.
...and this is just a random tidbit from a random post, but Mr. Goose-Step from late 30's Germany was heavily Taurus.
A lot of athletes have quirks. Even players I play with in tennis and softball have quirks. Even people at work and among my friends have quirks - in fact we spent a night at the bar discussing this very fact. None of this is OCD which is a real disease and a serious one.
But the whole water bottle thing does seem a bit out of the ordinary.
umm. do you guys realise almost every player on tour has "ocd"
look at all the players before they serve, its more noticeable with some people, eg: sharapova, nadal, but from the actions they do, to the little hand movements such as fixing up shirts/caps/hair, all the way down to the expression on their face is always exactly the same
As I said in the "water bottles" thread, I think that Nadal has OCD. Many players, not only pros, have those little routines they do at certain points, but often we don't see them. Nadal does the water bottle thing. He have to have 2 bottles and drink in a specific order, place the water bottles correctly, I think with the label facing the court (laces out Dan!! ), he touches his socks ( he really doesn't fix the socks, he just touches them with the same fingers in the same order) and does the thing with his underpants. I don't think his underpants are causing him some discomfort, because after 2 years of doing this, I think he'll have figured out to change his shorts or underpants, so they don't get stuck. In Paris masters I noticed that he'll only use one side of the towel, I think there was a small mark on the end of the towel that he always looked after when sitting down, and he had to find that mark and fold the towel in the correct way before using the towel.
The big question is, does this OCD only come across on the tennis court, or does it also affect his life off the court?
I don't think Nadal has a bad case of OCD, but it's there for sure. I wonder what he would say if someone confronted him with this.
Nah its just habit. Everybody has things that they must have right.
Whatever it is, it's certainly annoying. What bugs me more is that he'll get a warning for time violations then nothing will happen afterwards. Why warn him if you aren't going to follow it up?
That is quite annoying, we probably spend just as much time, if not more time waiting for the serve than actual point (excluding the opponents serve). this goes for Djokovic too. He bounces the ball at least 10 times.
most tennis players do
tennis as a sport is very ocd... hitting a ball over and over again (who would enjoy that except someone who is OCD.
most pro athletes are OCD to some extent... u need to be to practice as much as they do. (to do an action over and over again until you have mastered it)
any master at anything are OCD to some degree (music, sports, art etc...)
I like that you're thinking outside the box, here.
I don't believe there is any proven correlation between the use of PED's and obsessive-compulsive manifestation, so that's a reason to question your analysis.
I also don't believe it's common to inject PED's in the particular physical manner which you described above.
The two might still be related, however. It could be that Nadal's obsessive-compulsive behavior is just one of a number of socially awkward "quirks" that have emerged because he's been forced to repress his natural human ethical instinct. If (and I stress...if) he is involved in the use of PED's (and some evidence DOES suggest this rather strongly, of course), it would be just another sort of clearly unethical behavior -- to be added to the laundry list with his blatant stalling tactics, his clear solicitation of in-match coaching, his acceptance of preferential treatment in draws, etc., etc.
All these things would wear on the psyche of even the most antisocial wretch. We're all born with an urge toward fairness and right, after all; society just steals it away from most. But as a result of the extent to which it's been pushed in this case, you'd be bloody likely to encounter the symptoms you see from Nadal. The twitching. The arsepicking. The cross-dressing. The obvious disdain for personal hygiene. The purported same-sex romantic preference.
It's clear that the poor guy is battling personal demons of some sort. And I think vigour here may have tapped into the source, even if he did so a bit crudely. From the mouths of babes...
I rate this thread five stars for compelling content.
Seems more like supersitition rather than OCD, as has been pointed out. A lot of tennis and other players like to stick to a routine. Helps to keep mind focused on game.
Also, during a game such things can take your mind off the previous point or set or mistake.
Some tennis players adjust their strings between points to refocus. One even bounces balls 17 times
otoh, Roger has this compulsive habit of winning which is very disruptive to others players lives
i dont think he has it.. maybe he has CODP. ( control of defensive play). he sure knows how to stay in a point ..
I think what folks here should keep in mind is that the D in OCD means disorder. That's a serious term, not something to be thrown around flippantly because a behavior doesn't suit your fancy.
on a more serious note..... that kind of illness or disorder shouldnt be ridiculed.. or be tossed around like a joke.
he definately exhibits more than his share of rituals.
What we don't know is what goes on in his head when he can't do his rituals or they are disrupted. That's for trained people to examine.
He's no Mr. Monk but he isn't normal either.
No one is normal, especially someone who achieves the #2 ranking in men's tennis. Normal is the last thing most people aspire to be.
although i am a rafa fan and my opinion is most likely going to go in favor of nadal, lets be serious. i think nadal's habits are just more noticeable than others. many, MANY tennis players have weird habits before serving, returning, a match, etc. do you think because people adjust their strings between EVERY point mean they have OCD? or when people line up to serve, they adjust their hat, do they have OCD? djokovic bounces the ball 3 trillion times before he serves, baghdatis and federer pull their hair behind their ears, monfils hits his buttcap, and their a ton more. do they all have OCD? mcenroe used to do the sock thing, do people think he also has OCD?
c'mon, lets be serious.
As someone who really has OCD I hate how the term is misused nowdays...well any awareness is good I guess :-?
If rafa has OCD it wont disappear when hes off court...but Im not saying its completely out of the question wheter he has the disorder or not. Like supernatural_serve sayd the most important thing is what goes on in hes mind...if we knew that we would know if he really has the disorder.
Rafa to me appears to be Hyper active and highly strung but mainly on the court in a match. Most sports people have good luck.bad luck habits and they easily dev. habits that self regulate, especially if one is is as highly strung as i feel Rafa is.
I donot ever see OCD on or off the court. It would rears its destructive head everywhere and especially under timesof stress.
There was a good profile on Nadal over the summer in GQ. The author followed Nadal for several days and also noted many obsessive behavioral tendencies. But that isn't necessarily indicative of actual OCD.
I meant it in diagnostic sense not a layman's sense. Like a medical lab test that says "Normal" or not.
And people do aspire to be normal in many ways, even tennis greats. They long for the day when they can lead a "normal" life meaning away from all the travel, struggles on and off the court, family, everyone wanting a piece of them.
People with exceptional abilities often crave normal relations with friends and family even if they are incapable of having them.
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