Does Nadal Need to Have Another Season with 2 Grand Slams to Be Considered Great

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McEnroeisanartist

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As we all know, Nadal only has two seasons where he won at least two grand slams. In 2008, he won 2 grand slams and in 2010, he won 3 grand slams. This seems really weak.

Djokovic, Courier, Becker, Agassi, and Wilander had 1.
Connors, Lendl, and McEnroe had 2
Borg had 3.
Sampras had 4.
Federer had 5 (including 3 seasons with 3 grand slams).

Even if Nadal somehow reaches 17 grand slams, if he doesn't have at least one, if not two more seasons with at least 2 grand slams, I think this is a HUGE knock against him.
 
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TheMagicianOfPrecision

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Nadal has a 10-15% chance of reaching 17 GS-And IF he does, he will probably only have 1 at most WTF-title= Federer the greatest ever, oh and btw, Federer is not gonna stop at 17 GS.
 
kragster

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McEnroeisanartist said:
As we all know, Nadal only has two seasons where he won at least two grand slams. In 2008, he won 2 grand slams and in 2010, he won 3 grand slams. This seems really weak.

Djokovic, Courier, Becker, Agassi, and Wilander had 1.
Connors, Lendl, and McEnroe had 2
Borg had 3.
Sampras had 4.
Federer had 5 (including 3 seasons with 3 grand slams).

Even if Nadal somehow reaches 17 grand slams, if he doesn't have at least one, if not two more seasons with at least 2 grand slams, I think this is a HUGE knock against him.
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IF in your hypothetical scenario Nadal gets to 17 slams without having another 2 slam season that would mean 6 more years of winning a slam. Which would mean that Rafa would have 14 straight years of winning a slam. If that isn't impressive I don't know what is.

At the end of the day i cant see a reason to value 'peak' over total. If there is a player who plays like crap for 2 yrs, Goats for 2 yrs and wins 6 slams and then plays like crap for 2 more years, I see no reason to consider that player greater than someone who wins 1 slam a year for 6 years. The reason Fed is great is because he never stopped playing high level and even after his peak he has won many slams. If Fed had won NOTHING after 2008, I highly doubt he would be considered universal GOAT based on his 3 3-slam seasons.

Accomplishments are not measured by 'peak' but rather by overall. For all we know someone like Gulbis has a higher 'peak' than someone like Ferrer. Doesn't matter one bit.
 
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firepanda

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I don't know, but I don't think that most people keep track of the "number of seasons with two grand slams". Most people (like the entire world) already consider Nadal 'great'. Stupid topic.
 
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timnz

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Already Great

I am a Federer fan. But I believe Nadal is great. He is a fantastic player, probably the most mentally tough player ever to play the game. He is right up there with pantheon of great players. He doesn't even need to pick up the racket again to have that already established.

He's the greatest Clay court player ever. And a solid all-rounder as well.
 
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Praetorian

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He is great. Only the most hateful and spiteful wouldn't consider Nadal, as a player, and achievements - as GREAT!
 
DRII

DRII

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Ridiculous thread...

Considering Nadal's slam/SOG count, and the fact that he has a winning record over all the other Big 4 players in this era of staggering lack of depth -- he is already an all time great.
 
The_Order

The_Order

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Nah Nadal's rubbish, his really weak record of only 2 seasons winning 2 or more slams is an exposure to how crap he is.

The guy plays so bad, he can't even beat Federer he.. oh wait
 
Clarky21

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Dumb thread. Nadal is already a great,and trying to dig up obscure reasons to discredit him is pathetic,but totally expected.
 
kishnabe

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Nadal is already great....he doesn't need to win another slam this year or 2+ slams next year.

It will help his case for GOAT....as Far as I am concerned Nadal is in 4th place for the GOAT race.
 
zanabel

zanabel

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Nadal wins 2 slams this year if he wins the US Open. He always wins the French Open so 2 slams is if he wins one of the other slams (except for 2009 because he did not win the French Open that year).
 
Andres

Andres

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What a... random stat. Seasons winning 2 grandslams? Who even remembers that? And why is 3 the threshold? Why not 2? Why not 4? Why not 6? Maybe not even Fed is Great.
 
zanabel

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I think winning one slam every year is the most important thing because its the difference between a slam year and a slamless year.
 
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TMF

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There's possible of him winning 2 slams/year again, but I don't think he can win 3/year. Fed did it 3 times(very close to 4) was truly remarkable.
 
zanabel

zanabel

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Nadal definitely the most unpredictable athlete. Crazy what people predicted and how off they were. And this year its like "he only lost one set in the clay season, unbelievable" and then "he lost in the 2nd round of wimbledon, he's breaking down" and then "he won the US Open, player of the year" etc. So unpredictable and extreme hahaha
 
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TMF

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zanabel said:
Nadal definitely the most unpredictable athlete. Crazy what people predicted and how off they were. And this year its like "he only lost one set in the clay season, unbelievable" and then "he lost in the 2nd round of wimbledon, he's breaking down" and then "he won the US Open, player of the year" etc. So unpredictable and extreme hahaha
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Is that the reason why Clarky is wrong 99.9% of time in his predictions.

Haha !
 
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McEnroeisanartist

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zcarzach said:
Nadal is already one of the greats. Not Top 5, but definitely high on the list.
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No doubt about it that Nadal is one of the all time greats. I just think it is interesting that as great as he is that he has only had two seasons with two or more grand slams. This is significant as Federer, Borg, and Sampras all have at least three. While Connors, Lendl, and McEnroe have two. Another season with two or more grand slams, I think would push Nadal into the higher group.
 
zanabel

zanabel

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McEnroeisanartist said:
No doubt about it that Nadal is one of the all time greats. I just think it is interesting that as great as he is that he has only had two seasons with two or more grand slams.This is significant as Federer, Borg, and Sampras all have at least three. While Connors, Lendl, and McEnroe have two. Another season with two or more grand slams, I think would push Nadal into the higher group.
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Could be because he's only 26.
 
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RF_fan

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TheMagicianOfPrecision said:
Nadal has a 10-15% chance of reaching 17 GS-And IF he does, he will probably only have 1 at most WTF-title= Federer the greatest ever, oh and btw, Federer is not gonna stop at 17 GS.
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I would say his chance of reaching 17 GS titles is less than 1%.
To get 17 he will have to average 2 GS's a year until he's 29, and I don't see him playing at his 2010 level for another 3 years. He will probably win another 2 French Opens, and maybe get another title if he gets lucky.
 
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Alchemy-Z

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If he retired today he would be King of Clay and known as one of the greats.
part of the greatest Rivalry in Tennis.
played the greatest Match 2008 Wimbledon
and just like with Borg people would speculate for years how far he could have gone had he kept playing to age 30.

I'd hate to see it because a tournament without Fed and Nadal would lose some of the magic and I am not looking forward to either ones retirement.
 
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McEnroeisanartist

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MichaelNadal said:
Exactly, what a trash thread lol.
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Nadal is already an alltime great. but what separates him from Borg, Federer, and Sampras is having another season of at least 2 slams. Based on who has and hasn't done this, I think this is what separates the tiers of players with Agassi being the exception.
 
Crisstti

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McEnroeisanartist said:
As we all know, Nadal only has two seasons where he won at least two grand slams. In 2008, he won 2 grand slams and in 2010, he won 3 grand slams. This seems really weak.

Djokovic, Courier, Becker, Agassi, and Wilander had 1.
Connors, Lendl, and McEnroe had 2
Borg had 3.
Sampras had 4.
Federer had 5 (including 3 seasons with 3 grand slams).

Even if Nadal somehow reaches 17 grand slams, if he doesn't have at least one, if not two more seasons with at least 2 grand slams, I think this is a HUGE knock against him.
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It SO would not.

As you yourself said, Connors, Lendl and McEnroe had two years.

And of course, he obviously is already great... what a silly thread.
 
Backspin1183

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McEnroeisanartist said:
As we all know, Nadal only has two seasons where he won at least two grand slams. In 2008, he won 2 grand slams and in 2010, he won 3 grand slams. This seems really weak.

Djokovic, Courier, Becker, Agassi, and Wilander had 1.
Connors, Lendl, and McEnroe had 2
Borg had 3.
Sampras had 4.
Federer had 5 (including 3 seasons with 3 grand slams).

Even if Nadal somehow reaches 17 grand slams, if he doesn't have at least one, if not two more seasons with at least 2 grand slams, I think this is a HUGE knock against him.
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Done! :)

Does Nadal need one more season of winning at least 2 majors to be considered 'great'?

So far only 3, 2008, 2010 and 2013.

What do you think?
 
tipsa...don'tlikehim!

tipsa...don'tlikehim!

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TheAnty-vic

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Backspin1183 said:
Done! :)

Does Nadal need one more season of winning at least 2 majors to be considered 'great'?

So far only 3, 2008, 2010 and 2013.

What do you think?
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IMO Nadal needs another 5 years with 4 or more Slams per year, no? :lol:

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timnz

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Nadal is already an all time great

8 French Opens, 2 US Opens, 2 Wimbledon & 1 AO - not great? On no planet is this the case. He is already a tier 1 great - along with Federer, Laver, Tilden, Gonzales, Rosewall, Sampras & Borg
 
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Rafa now has 4 seasons of winning multiple slams, and likely would have been more if he didn't miss slams and have so much injury. Now Fed has multiple slams in 6 seasons, and Djoker has won multiple slams in 3 seasons
 
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