Discussion in 'General Pro Player Discussion' started by Clay lover, May 6, 2012.
And where does desire come from?
How is it possible to love a tiny figure on a tv screen that you barely know anything about?
Some people have an enormous appetite for ignorance.
The hatred has evolved over the years. In early years of Nadal's career (2005-2007) I noticed some bad habbits but my dilslike for Nadal remained just that. Through the years I've seen him ruin the sport, I see how kids play today (not their play style, but rather how they behave on court) trying to imitate Nadal, I see him talking trash about others, I see him lying on interviews, cheating on court, and I wouldn't mind all of it if he was ranked a lot lower, but he's #1 or #2 at most times and the amount of infulence he has is huge. I can barely watch tennis these days as the sport is ruined, and yes, I hate the guy who ruined the sport I love. I still enjoy playing the game a lot, but as for watching, I don't do that as often and if I do I carefully pick the matches I watch. Nadal has earned the hatred, it wasn't desired by anyone who hates him. There are other players whom I dislike (Stepanek for instance) but none have done as bad as Nadal and none is ranked as high as him.
Desire to hate is probably a part of being a social animal.
Being hostile to Nadal is almost certainly a part of having a strong preference for Federer or perhaps Djoko.
This is why people with ghastly tennis manners who are lower ranked - Stepanek - never inspire hatred.
Still doesn't mean he liked him....and I love how you completely ignore quotes from my link, like the quotes about Nadal's time wasting.
I'm not a Federer fan for some time now...the guy is a spineless coward, and I'm not even close to being a Djokovic fan lol, I only cheer for him when he plays Nadal, but that's it.
Religious frames of reference code the world in terms of good versus evil so its not surprising that one player must fulfil the function of 'evil'. Hence, the rhetorical exaggeration of Nadal's faults.
a fallen idol is still an idol
You admitting he has faults is a step in the right direction. Of course, you are completely wrong, as I have been gentle about Nadal's faults. The guy has ruined a whole sport, after all.
Edit: And no, Fed is not my idol, he never was. I have no idols, I find the whole concept stupid. I liked, and sill like, Fed's game. I disliked his sometimes arrogant attitude, and today I dislike his spinless attitude. He has a beautiful game, and is a huge talent, but that's it.
Nadal has said many times (and he's certainly not the only one) that the difference between the players is very small. We all know that, and of course all the players know that. It's not like us, club players, who can sometimes face opponents we have no chance of losing against or the opposite. It's a very different situation amongst the professionals, and that's why anyone can beat anyone on a given day.
Nadal doesn't like to brat in public, it's not his style. And he's prudent. If some people really hate that, it tells more about them than about Rafa, I think. Or maybe it's something cultural.
Anyway, Nadal's philosophy has always been "Let's see what happens, I'm ready to fight" (when he's the favourite and when he's not) and certainly not "I'm going to lose". Big difference.
Sports is just another form of theater, but one in which we are unsure about the outcome(unlike plays where you know how it ends if you've seen it before).
What you are saying seems more like a robotic form of tennis regarding emotions. They go about executing their motions and shows no emotion since you know, they should "conserve energy", maybe allow themselves a fistpump on SP or MP. And yeah, I'm sure they will conserve a lot of energy if they don't do a fistpump or vamos/allez/come on after a 20 shot rally. LOL.
And what if that "leak of exuberance" gives you a positive outlook for the next point? It's not like you have to bottle everything, people are built in a different way.
All the celebrations that these players do(regardless of how exaggerated or not they are) are reassurances to them that they have done well in that point or up to that point in the match. Not even the most fistpump crazy guys do it on every point won, regardless of some here say.
And Nadal has actually toned his celebrations down for the most part. I remember he did a sort of flying scissor kick in the vicinity of the net(they were going to the chairs) after winning a set against Fed in RG SF 2005. No freaking way would he do that today, not just against Fed, but against most guys.
No need for that now. It has served its purpose, and is more or less useless. Wait until a new up and coming potential clay court specialist from any country comes along. IF Nadal is still able to reach RG semis or finals I fully expect him to use his whole arsenal in order to do the same, that he has done to others. With that said, I do not expect, that from Spain will come any other claycourt specialist in the near future. Not until Nadal has a shot at RG.
Ion Tiriac aslo had some nice words recently. Funny when you know that Rafa has not really been tender with Tiriac's ideas.
Translation: "There have been many players ranked number one in the world who were not good leaders, but Nadal is because of the way he is, because of his modesty, because despite all the tournaments he has won and all the money he has earned, he always stayed down-to-earth. And it's not easy when you are so young."
Right, because that's about as low as Nadal fans went, please.
Let's ignore all those disparaging marks about Fed's family and him as a person over the years, insulting Novak's nationality (calling him a Balkan trash), making fun of his grandfather passing away, wishing him injury etc.
Is Nadal the most hated player on this forum recently? Yes, but that in no way means others players don't get bashed as well or that Nadal fans are innocent flowers.
Not to mention that Roddick isn't the one constantly portrayed by the media as the humblest man on earth nor does he have a legion of followers who constantly stuff down everyone's throats how Nadal is a perfect human being and act all butthurt when someone dares to dislike their flawless hero.
Now I do think Nadal is overall a nice guy (especially for a sportsman who accomplished so much) and I really liked some of his gestures (for example how he went to Novak's lockerroom to give his condolences in MC recently) but all this humble/down to earth stuff is just nonsense IMO, I judge players by how they act on court not just by what they say in a press conference (actions always speak louder than words as far as I'm concerned) but that's my personal preference and opinion.
haha, 'a humble fluffy rabbit', too good. lol
it's true tho. Roddick is who he is, no BS, like it or not (not my cup of tea but whatever) ... Nadal is always acting, pretending ... saying things he is expected to say ... just a little cheater who is pretending he is humble and sweet ...
Roddick has only two fans on this forum, iirc, kishnabe and rock strongo
And the obvious ones - Qubax, LetsGoRoddick and AndyArodRoddick !!
True. Novak was probably the most hater player on here from 2006 until 2009 or 2010. And that all started with his post-RG press conference. He was pretty arrogant when he was young and it seemed like everyone wanted him to lose.
Disagree. I think the differences between players is small only amongst the very top. And even then saying that is a bit of stretch. Proof? The consistency with which the top players continue to trounce lower ranked players. These days the early rounds in most tourneys are pretty moot.
Well, you can count me in as number three!
first of all, they (hoping i'm in too) are trolls because you consider them trolls, mostly because they dislike your idol. therefore they are trolls only in your perspective, therefore, considering anything related to that personal definition which is not factual, is assuming your opinion is a fact. sad ot say it is not!.
It is only natural that people start disliking the young pretender who arrives to dislodge the emperor from the crown. I still remember how I used to hate Steffi when she started beating Martina regularly. Then came Monica who started getting the better of Steffi thereby gathering the adulation of Martina fans. Federer/Nadal story is somewhere along these lines with Sampras fans depending on Nadal to stop Federer from breaking all his records, Federer fans warming up to Djoker who is beating the pretender who bettered the Master etc etc.. The cycle continues...
I'd have considered your point if the neutrals didn't hate the Nadal..
Nice try! He's constantly mentioned as one people would like to see win Wimbledon or otherwise pad his major's resume.
Of course he's been called a brat, how could he not be called such a truth? His on court tactics are cringeworthy, but he's also given a pass by being called "funny" or "sarcastic" and viewed by some as "honest" and an overall nice guy.
Rule breaking such as a few seconds over time? What a crime, and what else? Oh yeah, toweling off, tending to injuries, and pouring water on his hands? These are the types of "complaints" I often seen the board riddled with, and yes, I think it's ridiculous.
Now, to the LaLa land and victim mentality comments, that only shows me what a follower you are, or you can produce those alleged comments if they in fact stemmed from your own mind rather than following posters that I consider to be very trollish in nature.
At the same time, if you can't have a decent discussion without childish insults then don't bother posting to me. I don't mind differences of opinions in any way, shape, or form but trying to pull that victim garbage is pure crap and knowledgeable and respectful posters know exactly where it comes from.
If that's the train you're riding on then we need never talk again because you have zero credibility considering the pack you run with.
I do think this applies to a lot of fans, but it's rather silly. I was a huge Sampras fan, but once he retired and Nadal came on the scene I moved on, just as I'm sure I'll move on when Nadal retires. If I couldn't move on in sport, that to me would signify that I also had trouble moving on in life. It's just a sport. It ain't that deep to me.
To Evan above, stamina is definitely not a talent. Stamina is developed, but all of the stamina in the world is worthless without the strokes and court sense to back it up.
There's much more to Nadal's game than "pushing" the ball back. All of that topspin on his groundies probably feels like an atom bomb hitting your racquet. But when he flattens it out, he hits pretty darn clean winners.
Take a look at the number of winners Nadal has had in any match with Fed, I think you might be pleasantly surprised.
yet Saint Nadal's is OK....
Pathetic to say the least!!!!
What has the desire of some people to see him with the Wimbledon trophy has to do with the overall attitude of the people towards his antics and behaviour?
So, you changed your tune and admit, that he has been labelled sufficiently?But how can that be true and at the same time you claim, that he was perceived as an overall nice guy? I see, that he has been called for what he is. He is receiving the right attitude on this boards (and so is Nadal).
Maybe, just maybe, he doesn't receive that much heat, because, other than his awful attitude at some points he comes off as pretty funny guy and, on top of that, he doesn't intentionally abuse the rules to his benefit. Since you compare him to Nadal tell me what has Nadal done, to be considered as funny as Roddick?
Since you are not playing tennis I am not going to argue with you about what the time violations mean. I can certainly guarantee you, that if on the other side of the net there is an opponent, who is used to particular rules and has tuned his game to abide by the rules, there is a change of the dynamic of the game for him, because of the time wasting. I couldn't care less if you don't care, if the rules are respected. That speaks about your mentality.
But, that is the Truth. :roll: The members of the VB like to picture themselves as something special, and think, that they are some sort of the keepers of the good image of Nadal, so they "endure" all the unfairness of the board (hence the allegations, that the board is pro-Federer). The fact is, that in your Lala land (NN thread) is allowed some serious BS, and it is received with sugarcoated comments. Not to mention the childish posts of virtually every member of the VB, including you. Lala land it is.
But you can refuse to admit those facts. Be my guest.
I have no problem with people disliking "my idol". I don't like David Ferrer.
Do you see me going in every thread and calling him pathetic, faker, disgrace, etc. over and over again? In my opinion that would be trolling and many of those who dislike Nadal do just that, which is why I'm calling them trolls. But you're right. It's just an opinion.
The fact is that, these days, we have a group of players at the top (top 3/4) who very rarely lose a match against average players. There are that good. But, as some strange defeats have shown, none of them is secure. I could give you examples for any player of that group of matches they lost or nearly lost. But we are talking about Nadal. If he says that Florian Mayer is a tough opponent, and that he will have to play really well if he wants to win, you will say it's a joke. Guess what? It's actually true. We had the proof last year. Nadal was also very close to lose ON CLAY last year (in Rome or Madrid) against an opponent whose name I quickly forgot. On a given day, anyone can beat anyone. Just a fact.
But, why would you call Ferrer faker and cheater? He is not. It is one thing to dislike one's game, it another story to call him a cheater. Got it?
It's a rather pathetic cycle...
Sorry to burst your bubble, but neutrals do not hate Nadal.
You're wasting your time explaining in such detail to that hypocrite. I admire your patience though.
Wow, staggering that you don't see how delusional you sound. "Ruined the sport"?.
Nadal should get a restraining order against people like this.
Oh, I see, so Nadal has defeated Fed because of fist pumps.
This really tells a lot about you, I'm afraid.
My Dear fellow Nadal fans,
As a Nadal fan myself, I think it is abundantly clear the only reason anyone could not like our dear little Rafa is because he has a winning record over The Not so Great Man. I can not think of any other possible reason. I mean have we not all read and heard the hundreds of feel good stories Rafa's management company has released over the years. I once heard a story that the Evil Soderling was clubbing baby *******s outside a tournament venue with his racquet. Nadal and his team swooped in and were able to save three of the baby *******s, before the evil Sod got to them. Rafa took these baby *******s in and took care of them, he named one Bud, one Truth, and the third, the runt of the litter was left nameless. It is an amazing story that shows our beloved Rafa's true character.
Don't worry my fellow Nadal fans, if another fan doesn't like Rafa they are just a troll, not a member of our great ******* nation were everyone is righteous, smart, and brave like Rafa. We need to unite against these evil trolls. I suggest reporting anyone that doesn't like Rafa, and anyone that likes the hideous blue clay. We must rid the forum of these horrible individuals.
God bless Rafa, and free Gj011, we miss you.
God bless Rafa, lol ... it's good Lsm. if they don't like Rafa 'they are just another troll' ... too good ... Evil Sod, fantastic ... I just hope you are not serious and you are being sarcastic, lol ...if you are serious than, oh well I'd better say nothing
Too funny. The best is "Truth" constantly talks about how pathetic it is that many in the media such as commentators plus Federer fans don't have minds of their own and they just follow the pack yet isn't that exactly what she and the other Nadal cult members do by hanging on Nadal's every word and agreeing with his every action and then on top of that, if you don't agree with everything Nadal does or says you are labelled a troll. I have never seen such hypocrisy in my life.
News flash. This "nadal hate" is just - almost 99% of it - an american thing. In europe and Asia, this does not happen.
Maybe the downhill of american tennis helps explain that.
But it should really be an eye opener. Peeople in america are not very well informed of what happens in other parts oh the world.
It's understandable. You have a big country. I've just been to the US last week, for the first time (went to an IBM conference in Las Vegas) and really loved it.
But anyway...it's just an american thing...in Europe, both him and Fed are respected...
Oh, Dear God, you are so obsessed with this Nadal-Federer talk, that it causes you comprehension problems.
I tend to disagree with you. Everywhere, the normal people tend to see the things for what they are. Both Federer and Nadal are respected for their achievements. They are differently respected in terms of their on and offcourt behaviour.
I met many people when I was in prison: thieves, murderers, extortionists, pimps, pushers (not the tennis kind), con men, arsonists and jaywalkers.
I can honestly say I'd shake hands with any of them before I would Nadal.
what are you rambling about? i am from the same coutry as you and i dont like him or Fed fwiw...
hopefully you will see that by calling others Trolls for disliking your idol or using excessive "adjectives", you are just like them - me included as i will have no problem in using adjectives to define that person who i find to be a disgrace for tennis in many ways, despite the hatred i receive from the Nadal camp for not agreeing with them - and no better than, by your definition "a troll"
So, in your opinion, killing or robbing people, forcing people into prostitution or selling harmful drugs to junkies who can't afford them are all much more respectable activities than hitting a tennis ball at someone over a net???
I think your spell in prison has seriously warped your sense of priorities beyond all sane, sense of reason! :shock:
How does preference in style of play in a little game have anything to do with knowledge of the world? Are you saying that it takes more knowledge of the world to enjoy Nadal's grunt and butt-picking, etc.?
So what have we decided here then? Both of you stopping the name calling or Gorecki continues to call Nadal a pusher/cheater/faker and CMM continues to call Gorecki a troll ?
He is not well liked in Canada. And we're definitely 'well informed' compared to the states and even europe. It has nothing to do with american influence either, since the media doesn't say anything bad about nadal.
In Canada he's more of a no-name than anything, which is probably because he doesn't speak good english and doesn't pop up on the TV ever. Only tennis fans know who he is.
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