Does the scapula assist in ground strokes?

We know from boxing strokes that the scapula is pulled forward around the rib cage by the serratus anterior muscle. And in a backhand the opposite action of the rhomboid muscle could assist the swing of the arm.

Does that happen in tennis swings?
 

S&V-not_dead_yet

Talk Tennis Guru
We know from boxing strokes that the scapula is pulled forward around the rib cage by the serratus anterior muscle.

Uh, yeah! What he said! :)

And in a backhand the opposite action of the rhomboid muscle could assist the swing of the arm.

Does that happen in tennis swings?

I can't imagine that the scapula is NOT used although likely not in the identical manner to boxing.

Why do you ask? Did you tear yours [hopefully not]?
 

SinjinCooper

Hall of Fame
Why do you ask? Did you tear yours [hopefully not]?
It's a bone, so probably not.

Pretty much the whole body is used in a good tennis stroke. But there's not much point in paying overly much attention to the scapulae...for most.

The one thing that maybe bears mentioning is the alignment of the upper arm with respect to the torso in both serves and forehands. It needs to be pulled back far enough that it can rotate freely in the shoulder socket, or shoulder rotation is limited.

This happens automatically in the one-handed backhand, and requires no effort in either the serve or forehand IF you've got excellent posture (and isn't a major issue in the 2HBH). But for many people in this coach-potato/desk-jockey world, posture is compromised, usually by way of kyphosis -- an exaggerated forward rounding of the upper back.

This postural issue has the side effect of pushing the shoulders forward and out of alignment with the internal bits that cause efficient internal and external shoulder rotation. The intentional act of retracting the racquet-side scapula during the preparation phase of those two strokes can put the humerus into a slot that allows increased freedom of rotation for people whose posture is compromised this way.

That's very easy in a forehand -- a raised elbow during the unit turn pretty much guarantees this action. It's also pretty much automatic in an "elbow the enemy," Salzenstein-style service motion, but might not come so naturally to those with classical trophy poses. It's still not exactly difficult in a classical motion, it just becomes something you need to be aware of in that case. I was able to solve that problem for one student by having him retract his scapula on the racquet side as a preparatory element to his serves -- before the toss and/or the raising of the racquet arm. Like a "c0cking of the pistol." Works for him.
 
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Chas Tennis

G.O.A.T.
Motions of the scapula.

Scapulohumeral Rhythm

For the initial acceleration of the one hand backhand certain muscles that are attached to the scapula are likely to be stretched. When that acceleration reduces those stretched scapular muscles could shorten and move the scapula, probably rapidly. This would appear in videos as the location of the shoulder joint/humerus ball moving around the rib cage/upper body/chest.

As you said in another post this is similar to the front shoulder in a baseball swing in batting.
https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/ind...alysis-of-thiem-strokes.591446/#post-11290931
I believe that a golf swing is similar.

Most? edges of the scapula probably have muscles attached to them, many muscles. The rhomboid is under the trapezoid.
 
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Chas Tennis

G.O.A.T.
The scapula are not flat to the back in their neutral position. This is known as the plane of the scapula. There are terms for exercises that are in this plane. Scapular plane and 'scaption' I believe but check as I just learned some of this stuff.
scapular-plane.jpg

Scapular Plane Arm Raises.
http://conquerthecrux.com/prevent-shoulder-injuries/
 

Chas Tennis

G.O.A.T.
We know from boxing strokes that the scapula is pulled forward around the rib cage by the serratus anterior muscle. And in a backhand the opposite action of the rhomboid muscle could assist the swing of the arm.

Does that happen in tennis swings?

I am appreciating this thread more and more for the one hand backhand. Have you learned any more for the scapula on the one hand backhand? Any similar scapular motions identified for baseball pitching?
 
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Chas Tennis

G.O.A.T.
Video discussing how the scapula moves on the rib cage. Protraction and retraction of the scapula seem to be the joint motions. I believe that the joint is the scapulothoracic joint./?

For information on how the scapula moves on the rib cage. Important point on "Winging" and loading.

Scapulothoracic joint.
 
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