Does Thiem have the lowest potential of the 'young guns'?

[thomasferrett]

Seems like he has to put way more effort into his shots to achieve the same effect as the other guys like Zverev and Kyrgios do. He also has a much better work ethic than the other young guns for the same results, so if they merely put in the effort that he does, they could be much better than him and easily surpass him.

He is on his best surface at the moment (clay), and has yet to pick up a significant title (Masters or Slam) on it.

It seems like he is peaking earlier than the other 'young guns' (expected really since he's the oldest of them), but he by far has the lowest ceiling and potential.

I think he has done very well for himself to have reached a Masters final, but I don't see him ever achieving it again in his career.

 

[Red Rick]

23 year old player, is improving, reaches career best result in high level tournament, yet despite progressing, will never do it again because?

Oh yeah, Nadal and Federer are gonna deny him all the big clay finals for the next 7 years?

 

[Purplemonster]

The other guys are overrated, that's the issue, in particular Zverev.

 

[thomasferrett]

23 year old player, is improving, reaches career best result in high level tournament, yet despite progressing, will never do it again because?

People like you are the reason why players get hyped.

So what if he reaches a career best result? Why should we expect more from him just because he's done that? Why not expect him to crash and burn and go into terminal decline?

 

[KINGROGER]

He's clearly going to win quite a few big titles on clay. Murrovic both declining, Nadal isn't going to be around forever.

Kyrgios and Zverev looking to dominate HCs.

 

[thomasferrett]

How can he be expected to win 'big titles' on clay when he has a one-handed backhand? 1HBH's are weak to high bounce. Clay is high bouncing. Therefore Thiem will not win big titles on clay.

 

[Red Rick]

People like you are the reason why players get hyped.

So what if he reaches a career best result? Why should we expect more from him just because he's done that? Why not expect him to crash and burn and go into terminal decline?

Maybe because I don't see any signs of decline yet?

There's a huge gap between crashing and burning at 23 and never do better than a Masters1000 final, and being a future ATG. I'm confident Thiem is somewhere in that neighbourhood. A lot of players are slowly on their way out, Fedal don't have that long despite their spectacula resurgence, and there's not that many players younger than Thiem who are gonna be beating him day in day out on clay.

Zverev's talent is overrated. Kyrgios' talent is a bit overrated as well. Crashing and burning means he's gonna get owned by a lot of players day in, day out. I don't see that happening any Thiem soon.

 

[K-H]

People like you are the reason why players get hyped.

So what if he reaches a career best result? Why should we expect more from him just because he's done that? Why not expect him to crash and burn and go into terminal decline?

If a player is constantly improving year on year why should we expect him to crash and burn and go into terminal decline? Sorry doesn't make sense

 

[Bukmeikara]

People like you are the reason why players get hyped.

So what if he reaches a career best result? Why should we expect more from him just because he's done that? Why not expect him to crash and burn and go into terminal decline?

Your usual "I dont like Thiem" thread per month And what would happen if he becomes number 1, would he be the weakest ever to achieve that ?!

And explain this, at the same time you state his work ethic of being at a very good level and yet somehow expect for him to "crush and burn" after years of up trend ?

 

[Deleted member 742196]

People, you've all been spoiled rotten in the era of Federer, Nadal and Djokovic.

A scant 8 years ago Sampras's 14 was astonishing, at the time anyone with 3+ slams was considered hall of fame material. And they still are.

There's a reason the above are all candidates for those GOAT threads.

Can't have a goddamn GOAT every generation.

Guaranteed between Goffin, Thiem, Kgyrios, and Zverev there's at least 3-5 slams. How they're spread is anyone's guess but I'm confident of the 3-5 slams in this group.

 

[Mazz Retic]

How can he be expected to win 'big titles' on clay when he has a one-handed backhand? 1HBH's are weak to high bounce. Clay is high bouncing. Therefore Thiem will not win big titles on clay.

Guga?

 

[Mazz Retic]

Your usual "I dont like Thiem" thread per month And what would happen if he becomes number 1, would he be the weakest ever to achieve that ?!

And explain this, at the same time you state his work ethic of being at a very good level and yet somehow expect for him to "crush and burn" after years of up trend ?

You picked it. Sounds like the troll keeps rising each month. I would like it if he criticised Thiem with some semblance of an argument. That would make it a potentially worthwhile troll at the most. This is just lazy.

 

[ChrisRF]

The other guys are overrated, that's the issue, in particular Zverev.

As I already said some time ago, I think Zverev is the new Berdych. He has an extremely similar playing style and maybe gets slightly better results due to weaker competition. But still I highly doubt he'll win a major.

It's really the same as with Berdych. Judging only his groundstrokes, you think he MUST have big success. But he is too one-dimensional, always stands too far back to withstand really good offensive players and has almost no net game.

 

[Bender]

I diagnose a dire lack of brain cells in this thread.

 

[Bukmeikara]

As I already said some time ago, I think Zverev is the new Berdych. He has an extremely similar playing style and maybe gets slightly better results due to weaker competition. But still I highly doubt he'll win a major.

It's really the same as with Berdych. Judging only his groundstrokes, you think he MUST have big success. But he is too one-dimensional, always stands too far back to withstand really good offensive players and has almost no net game.

Zverev has a champions mentality, Berdych doesnt .. or at least he lost it some years ago

 

[thomasferrett]

As I already said some time ago, I think Zverev is the new Berdych.

I agree, although he could be a Berdych who ends up with a Slam.

Thiem, on the other hand is a mini-Zeballos and will end with a similar career.

 

[kandamrgam]

Kyrgios to rule grass, Zverev to rule hard, Thiem to rule clay. Goffin overall the best player

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[KINGROGER]

How can he be expected to win 'big titles' on clay when he has a one-handed backhand? 1HBH's are weak to high bounce. Clay is high bouncing. Therefore Thiem will not win big titles on clay.

You're mistaken. If it weren't for Nadal, Federer would have won 6 RG titles and about 13-14 clay masters titles, and he has a OHBH. Heck, even with Nadal around he still won 1 RG and 6 masters.

Then there's Kuerten, Wawrinka.

 

[ChrisRF]

You're mistaken. If it weren't for Nadal, Federer would have won 6 RG titles and about 13-14 clay masters titles, and he has a OHBH. Heck, even with Nadal around he still won 1 RG and 6 masters.

Then there's Kuerten, Wawrinka.

I agree with both of you in some way. The one-handed backhand was only a big weakness against Nadal, but when Rafa is retired, the next great clay player can also have a OHBH. There won't be another Rafa in the next generation (and maybe in many more to come). However, I don't think Thiem will be the next king of clay.

 

[TheMusicLover]

You know how it works... if a player is getting 'haters', it probably means said player is doing pretty good.

 

[guitarra]

This guy has a clear agenda to bash Thiem for whatever freaking reason. But that is just a poor troll attempt. I said it before and I'll repeat: Dominic will win 4-6 slams including multiply Roland Garros trophies.

 

[Noelan]

First player from younger gen reached Masters Final in years.
Want to spoil Meles drooling party? He is annoying fanoboy, but come on..

 

[Tornes]

How can he be expected to win 'big titles' on clay when he has a one-handed backhand? 1HBH's are weak to high bounce. Clay is high bouncing. Therefore Thiem will not win big titles on clay.

Onehanders in general has better result on clay than two handers of their league. As well on grass (there by some margin). However they are much worse on hard.

 

[thomasferrett]

Onehanders in general has better result on clay than two handers of their league. As well on grass (there by some margin). However they are much worse on hard.

Doesn't make sense.

Almost all tennis analysts say that 1hbh is less stable, so the more unpredictable the bounce is (and it is more unpredictable on natural surfaces vs hardcourt), the worse the 1hbh is.

 

[Soul_Evisceration]

First player from younger gen reached Masters Final in years.
Want to spoil Meles drooling party? He is annoying fanoboy, but come on..

One of the few times that I 100% agree with you.

Odd time for OP to bash Thiem. I don't think he will beat Nadal to win the Madrid Masters but that would p1$$ on OP's bonfire if it would happen.

 

[Noelan]

One of the few times that I 100% agree with you.

Odd time for OP to bash Thiem. I don't think he will beat Nadal to win the Madrid Masters but that would p1$$ on OP's bonfire if it would happen.

It seems that any success attracts a certain amount of irrational hatred It's just in human nature
This particular OP is Almagro OHBH lover

 

[tennis_pro]

People like you are the reason why players get hyped.

So what if he reaches a career best result? Why should we expect more from him just because he's done that? Why not expect him to crash and burn and go into terminal decline?

Hes not hyped, these are facts. Whos gonna consistently stop him 2-3 years from now?

 

[Daniel Johnson]

People, you've all been spoiled rotten in the era of Federer, Nadal and Djokovic.

A scant 8 years ago Sampras's 14 was astonishing, at the time anyone with 3+ slams was considered hall of fame material. And they still are.

There's a reason the above are all candidates for those GOAT threads.

Can't have a goddamn GOAT every generation.

Guaranteed between Goffin, Thiem, Kgyrios, and Zverev there's at least 3-5 slams. How they're spread is anyone's guess but I'm confident of the 3-5 slams in this group.

Good points! Just 3-5 though? I would bet on 7-10 by the time they all hang it up.

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[Tornes]

Doesn't make sense.

Almost all tennis analysts say that 1hbh is less stable, so the more unpredictable the bounce is (and it is more unpredictable on natural surfaces vs hardcourt), the worse the 1hbh is.

Just look at eg Nadal's H2H against 1handers and 2handers on each surface. Not sure why it is so but it is. Maybe generally higher spin on their shots on clay and better slice + easier playing low shots on grass?

 

[sportmac]

All of these guys are going to do better if for no other reason than age. Look at the top 40. The list of guys 28 and older dominates it.
If they don't rise up by beating these guys they're going to rise up through attrition.

 

[Goosehead]

theim has now peaked and is now in decline. (tt logic).

thiem will get 'the picture of dorian gray' wrong and have a pact where he will age fast but a picture of him hidden away will be ageless,

also he will actually turn into hurd hatfield and become feeble at tennis,

..therefore the machine of theim will win "no slams".

 

[Soul_Evisceration]

It seems that any success attracts a certain amount of irrational hatred It's just in human nature
This particular OP is Almagro OHBH lover

If he's an Almagro OHBH lover, why does he despises Thiem for having a similar game plan?

It's like 90's Clay who despises Federer yet worships Sampras who had similar game plan.

This world doesn't make much sense at times.

 

[roger presley]

It's very brave to say that Thiem will never again reach the final od some big tournament. Very,very brave,if not something else.

 

[Red Rick]

I diagnose a dire lack of brain cells in this thread.

Sorry mr Bending Rodriguez but we can't all have a sophisticated sadistical AI.

 

[Deleted member 742196]

Good points! Just 3-5 though? I would bet on 7-10 by the time they all hang it up.

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You're on!

Over/under of 6 slams let's say?

Winner to get "Na-nanny-na-na" free-pass bragging rights for a week? Need something to look forward to after Fedalovic move on.

 

[BeatlesFan]

Anyone that stands 40 feet behind the baseline to rally or return even a weak second serve isn't worthy of any discussion of future greatness.

 

[Deleted member 740774]

He also has a much better work ethic than the other young guns for the same results, so if they merely put in the effort that he does, they could be much better than him and easily surpass him.

This is ridiculous. "Merely"? Do you know how hard these guys work already? It's not that simple to just start magically working harder, or anyone could be pro

 

[thomasferrett]

This is ridiculous. "Merely"? Do you know how hard these guys work already? It's not that simple to just start magically working harder, or anyone could be pro

Kyrgios has himself admitted that he doesn't train - he spends all his off-time playing video-games and basketball.

If he had as much application to his sport as Thiem does, he'd have surpassed Federer in the Slam count by now already.

 

[Bukmeikara]

in the Slam count by now already.

Roger Federer - 18 Slams titles
Nick Kyrgios - 15 Slams ... participated

 

[Deleted member 740774]

Kyrgios has himself admitted that he doesn't train - he spends all his off-time playing video-games and basketball.

If he had as much application to his sport as Thiem does, he'd have surpassed Federer in the Slam count by now already.

Wow.... are you delusional? Nick is cocky so he says that but clearly he trains, maybe not enough, but he does. It's impossible to be in that shape and not workout let alone play tennis well

 

[SystemicAnomaly]

A taste of Thiem:

https://twitter.com/TennisTV/status/863665348125442049

 

[JRAJ1988]

Why do people create strawman arguments to cover the fact they just dislike certain players?

Thiem has a huge upside, a big game and mature shoulders.

 

[HailDjokovic]

Seems like he has to put way more effort into his shots to achieve the same effect as the other guys like Zverev and Kyrgios do. He also has a much better work ethic than the other young guns for the same results, so if they merely put in the effort that he does, they could be much better than him and easily surpass him.

He is on his best surface at the moment (clay), and has yet to pick up a significant title (Masters or Slam) on it.

It seems like he is peaking earlier than the other 'young guns' (expected really since he's the oldest of them), but he by far has the lowest ceiling and potential.

I think he has done very well for himself to have reached a Masters final, but I don't see him ever achieving it again in his career.

It's not like kyrgios or zverev or any of the other young guns have reached a masters final..... Hell thiem reached the roland garros semi final last year.

I think thiem has the potential to be more consistent and go deep than kyrgios or the other young guys.
He lacks a truly offensive weapon but he basically has no weaknesses
+Great forehand
+Great top spin one hander
+Solid Volleyer
+ Solid serve for his height
+ Tremendous athlete.

IMO he can do better than Kyrgios, simply because hes more motivated and locked in and has the better work ethic despite kyrgios having more natural talent and offensive lethality

 

[Bender]

It's not like kyrgios or zverev or any of the other young guns have reached a masters final..... Hell thiem reached the roland garros semi final last year.

I think thiem has the potential to be more consistent and go deep than kyrgios or the other young guys.
He lacks a truly offensive weapon but he basically has no weaknesses
+Great forehand
+Great top spin one hander
+Solid Volleyer
+ Solid serve for his height
+ Tremendous athlete.

IMO he can do better than Kyrgios, simply because hes more motivated and locked in and has the better work ethic despite kyrgios having more natural talent and offensive lethality

I'd say his serve is incredible. That kicker out wide from the ad court is money. Today though, Nadal had no answer to Thiem's slice serve down the middle from the ad court. It's one of the reasons why the score was as close as it was.

His only undoing is that he was hitting at 110%, 100% of the time. He needs to learn to dial back and vary his pace.

 

[amorys90]

Lowest potential? Sure. Zverev, Kyrigos, Dimitrov, Tomic are all more talented. But Thiem is like Muster with his work ethic, never stops. Potential doesn't always = results.

 

[amorys90]

This is ridiculous. "Merely"? Do you know how hard these guys work already? It's not that simple to just start magically working harder, or anyone could be pro

I saw Kyrigos at the W&S Open and he spent his practices playing mini-tennis with fans, while Thiem was grinding away. maybe that was just one week but he sure could improve his work ethic.

 

[nochweiterroger]

How can he be expected to win 'big titles' on clay when he has a one-handed backhand? 1HBH's are weak to high bounce. Clay is high bouncing. Therefore Thiem will not win big titles on clay.

So how did Stan manage to?

 

[Fedfan34]

Doesn't make sense.

Almost all tennis analysts say that 1hbh is less stable, so the more unpredictable the bounce is (and it is more unpredictable on natural surfaces vs hardcourt), the worse the 1hbh is.

I play one handed and clay was my favorite surface. I felt like I had all the time in the world to wind my stroke up and unleash its full power. On hard you feel more pressed for time.

 

[Gazelle]

Thiem peaked today. Seems masters finals is as far as he can go, just like the dissapointing Nishikori and Raonic. Maybe he can reach one slam final too, but that's it.

 

[amorys90]

Doesn't make sense.

Almost all tennis analysts say that 1hbh is less stable, so the more unpredictable the bounce is (and it is more unpredictable on natural surfaces vs hardcourt), the worse the 1hbh is.

-1hbh generates more spin
-1hbh takes longer to set up, clay gives more time
-1hbh is weaker on returns, clay neutralizes hard serves
-1hbh has more variety: slice, angles, dropshot. this is useful on clay