Dominance at French Open - Federer and Nadal

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I think one way to measure dominance at a Grand Slam is sets won/loss percentage. If you compare Federer and Nadal's sets/won loss percentage against the field (not against each other), it is quite interesting:

2005 - Federer 15-0, Nadal 18-2
2006 - Federer 17-2, Nadal 17-2
2007 - Federer 18-1, Nadal 18-0
2008 - Federer 18-3, Nadal 18-0
2009 - Federer 21-6, Nadal 10-3
2010 - Federer 13-3, Nadal 21-0
2011 - Federer 18-1, Nadal 18-2

As you can see, Federer was more "dominant" in 3 of the 7 years, Nadal was more "dominant" in 3 of the 7 years and they tied one year. Obviously, it is all about actually winning a Grand Slam, but I think this shows just how good Federer was against the field during his and Nadal's prime at the French Open.
 
It is interesting and it's easy to forget just how often Federer has been denied by Nadal specifically in clay finals. Ultimately though, it matters.
 
McEnroeisanartist said:
I think one way to measure dominance at a Grand Slam is sets won/loss percentage. If you compare Federer and Nadal's sets/won loss percentage against the field (not against each other), it is quite interesting:

2005 - Federer 15-0, Nadal 18-2
2006 - Federer 17-2, Nadal 17-2
2007 - Federer 18-1, Nadal 18-0
2008 - Federer 18-3, Nadal 18-0
2009 - Federer 21-6, Nadal 10-3
2010 - Federer 13-3, Nadal 21-0
2011 - Federer 18-1, Nadal 18-2

As you can see, Federer was more "dominant" in 3 of the 7 years, Nadal was more "dominant" in 3 of the 7 years and they tied one year. Obviously, it is all about actually winning a Grand Slam, but I think this shows just how good Federer was against the field during his and Nadal's prime at the French Open.
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Great job. And this is the evidence right there for that Fed vs Kuerten, Lendl, Wilander thread.

This is huge, now I respect Fed even more!
 
jg153040 said:
Great job. And this is the evidence right there for that Fed vs Kuerten, Lendl, Wilander thread.

This is huge, now I respect Fed even more!
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I was going to mention it, but figured I'd leave the dirty work to you (no, really, that was my thought process).
 
Cup8489 said:
Certainly worthy of being called best of the rest on clay.
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Exactly...my order of clay goats is 1) Nadal, 2) Borg and 3) Fed. Although short on RG championships, Fed certainly dominated everyone else but Nads over his career.
 
jg153040 said:
Great job. And this is the evidence right there for that Fed vs Kuerten, Lendl, Wilander thread.

This is huge, now I respect Fed even more!
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not really. suppose nadal and federer was from different eras. then based on these stats you would conclude that fed and nadal's level were more or less similar in the FO.which is obviously as far from truth as it can be
 
LazyNinja19 said:
Sure, let's skip 2012 & 2013 no? :roll:

~Shhh...no one will notice:!:
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OP said it was Fed's prime only. He was very generous to include 2010 and 2011 in that. Are you saying Fed was in his prime even later like 2013? In that case I am sure you will also consider 2018 Nadal's prime.
 
dudeski said:
OP said it was Fed's prime only. He was very generous to include 2010 and 2011 in that. Are you saying Fed was in his prime even later like 2013? In that case I am sure you will also consider 2018 Nadal's prime.
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7 Year Prime was used as that was the length of Lendl and Wilander's Prime at the French Open.
 
forehand fan said:
not really. suppose nadal and federer was from different eras. then based on these stats you would conclude that fed and nadal's level were more or less similar in the FO.which is obviously as far from truth as it can be
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No, but we could conclude that Fed's level could be similar to Lendl or Kuerten or even Borg.

I mean how would Borg do if he had to play Nadal 6 times at RG? Would they split titles or would Rafa win every time?

Just because Borg has 6 RG, that doesn't mean they split titles at RG. Maybe Rafa is 2% better than Borg at every match, so Borg ends up losing every time at RG.
 
It's better to look at their match records:

Roger Federer
1999 French Open
R128: Patrick Rafter def. Roger Federer (5-7, 6-3, 6-0, 6-2)

2000 French Open
R128: Roger Federer def. Wayne Arthurs (7-6, 6-3, 1-6, 6-3)
R64: Roger Federer def. Jan-Michael Gambill (7-6, 6-3, 6-3)
R32: Roger Federer def. Michel Kratochvil (7-6, 6-4, 2-6, 6-7, 8-6)
R16: Alex Corretja def. Roger Federer (7-5, 7-6, 6-2)

2001 French Open
R128: Roger Federer def. Stefano Galvani (6-3, 6-3, 6-3)
R64: Roger Federer def. Sargis Sargsian (4-6, 3-6, 6-2, 6-4, 9-7)
R32: Roger Federer def. David Sanchez (6-4, 6-3, 1-6, 6-3)
R16: Roger Federer def. Wayne Arthurs (3-6, 6-3, 6-4, 6-2)
QF: Alex Corretja def. Roger Federer (7-5, 6-4, 7-5)

2002 French Open
R128: Hicham Arazi def. Roger Federer (6-3, 6-2, 6-4)

2003 French Open
R128: Luis Horna def. Roger Federer (7-6, 6-2, 7-6)

2004 French Open
R128: Roger Federer def. Kristof Vliegen (6-1, 6-2, 6-1)
R64: Roger Federer def. Nicolas Kiefer (6-3, 6-4, 7-6)
R32: Gustavo Kuerten def. Roger Federer (6-4, 6-4, 6-4)

2005 French Open
R128: Roger Federer def. Dudi Sela (6-1, 6-4, 6-0)
R64: Roger Federer def. Nicolas Almagro (6-3, 7-6, 6-2)
R32: Roger Federer def. Fernando Gonzalez (7-6, 7-5, 6-2)
R16: Roger Federer def. Carlos Moya (6-1, 6-4, 6-3)
QF: Roger Federer def. Victor Hanescu (6-2, 7-6, 6-3)
SF: Rafael Nadal def. Roger Federer (6-3, 4-6, 6-4, 6-3)

2006 French Open
R128: Roger Federer def. Diego Hartfield (7-5, 7-6, 6-2)
R64: Roger Federer def. Alejandro Falla (6-1, 6-4, 6-3)
R32: Roger Federer def. Nicolas Massu (6-1, 6-2, 6-7, 7-5)
R16: Roger Federer def. Tomas Berdych (6-3, 6-2, 6-3)
QF: Roger Federer def. Mario Ancic (6-4, 6-3, 6-4)
SF: Roger Federer def. David Nalbandian (3-6, 6-4, 5-2 ret.)
F: Rafael Nadal def. Roger Federer (1-6, 6-1, 6-4, 7-6)

2007 French Open
R128: Roger Federer def. Michael Russell (6-4, 6-2, 6-4)
R64: Roger Federer def. Thierry Ascione (6-1, 6-2, 7-6)
R32: Roger Federer def. Potito Starace (6-2, 6-3, 6-0)
R16: Roger Federer def. Mikhail Youzhny (7-6, 6-4, 6-4)
QF: Roger Federer def. Tommy Robredo (7-5, 1-6, 6-1, 6-2)
SF: Roger Federer def. Nikolay Davydenko (7-5, 7-6, 7-6)
F: Rafael Nadal def. Roger Federer (6-3, 4-6, 6-3, 6-4)

2008 French Open
R128: Roger Federer def. Sam Querrey (6-4, 6-4, 6-3)
R64: Roger Federer def. Albert Montanes (6-7, 6-1, 6-0, 6-4)
R32: Roger Federer def. Mario Ancic (6-3, 6-4, 6-2)
R16: Roger Federer def. Julien Benneteau (6-4, 7-5, 7-5)
QF: Roger Federer def. Fernando Gonzalez (2-6, 6-2, 6-3, 6-4)
SF: Roger Federer def. Gael Monfils (6-2, 5-7, 6-3, 7-5)
F: Rafael Nadal def. Roger Federer (6-1, 6-3, 6-0)

2009 French Open
R128: Roger Federer def. Alberto Martin (6-4, 6-3, 6-2)
R64: Roger Federer def. Jose Acasuso (7-6, 5-7, 7-6, 6-2)
R32: Roger Federer def. Paul-Henri Mathieu (4-6, 6-1, 6-4, 6-4)
R16: Roger Federer def. Tommy Haas (6-7, 5-7, 6-4, 6-0, 6-2)
QF: Roger Federer def. Gael Monfils (7-6, 6-2, 6-4)
SF: Roger Federer def. Juan Martin del Potro (3-6, 7-6, 2-6, 6-1, 6-4)
F: Roger Federer def. Robin Soderling (6-1, 7-6, 6-4)

2010 French Open
R128: Roger Federer def. Peter Luczak (6-4, 6-1, 6-2)
R64: Roger Federer def. Alejandro Falla (7-6, 6-2, 6-4)
R32: Roger Federer def. Julian Reister (6-4, 6-0, 6-4)
R16: Roger Federer def. Stanislas Wawrinka (6-3, 7-6, 6-2)
QF: Robin Soderling def. Roger Federer (3-6, 6-3, 7-5, 6-4)

2011 French Open
R128: Roger Federer def. Feliciano Lopez (6-3, 6-4, 7-6)
R64: Roger Federer def. Maxime Teixeira (6-3, 6-0, 6-2)
R32: Roger Federer def. Janko Tipsarevic (6-1, 6-4, 6-3)
R16: Roger Federer def. Stanislas Wawrinka (6-3, 6-2, 7-5)
QF: Roger Federer def. Gael Monfils (6-4, 6-3, 7-6)
SF: Roger Federer def. Novak Djokovic (7-6, 6-3, 3-6, 7-6)
F: Rafael Nadal def. Roger Federer (7-5, 7-6, 5-7, 6-1)

2012 French Open
R128: Roger Federer def. Tobias Kamke (6-2, 7-5, 6-3)
R64: Roger Federer def. Adrian Ungur (6-3, 6-2, 6-7, 6-3)
R32: Roger Federer def. Nicolas Mahut (6-3, 4-6, 6-2, 7-5)
R16: Roger Federer def. David Goffin (5-7, 7-5, 6-2, 6-4)
QF: Roger Federer def. Juan Martin del Potro (3-6, 6-7, 6-2, 6-0, 6-3)
SF: Novak Djokovic def. Roger Federer (6-4, 7-5, 6-3)

2013 French Open
R128: Roger Federer def. Pablo Carreno-Busta (6-2, 6-2, 6-3)
R64: Roger Federer def. Somdev Devvarman (6-2, 6-1, 6-1)
R32: Roger Federer def. Julien Benneteau (6-3, 6-4, 7-5)
R16: Roger Federer def. Gilles Simon (6-1, 4-6, 2-6, 6-2, 6-3)
QF: Jo-Wilfried Tsonga def. Roger Federer (7-5, 6-3, 6-3)


Rafael Nadal
2005 French Open
R128: Rafael Nadal def. Lars Burgsmuller (6-1, 7-6, 6-1)
R64: Rafael Nadal def. Xavier Malisse (6-2, 6-2, 6-4)
R32: Rafael Nadal def. Richard Gasquet (6-4, 6-3, 6-2)
R16: Rafael Nadal def. Sebastien Grosjean (6-4, 3-6, 6-0, 6-3)
QF: Rafael Nadal def. David Ferrer (7-5, 6-2, 6-0)
SF: Rafael Nadal def. Roger Federer (6-3, 4-6, 6-4, 6-3)
FR: Rafael Nadal def. Mariano Puerta (6-7, 6-3, 6-1, 7-5)

2006 French Open
R128: Rafael Nadal def. Robin Soderling (6-2, 7-5, 6-1)
R64: Rafael Nadal def. Kevin Kim (6-2, 6-1, 6-4)
R32: Rafael Nadal def. Paul-Henri Mathieu (5-7, 6-4, 6-4, 6-4)
R16: Rafael Nadal def. Lleyton Hewitt (6-2, 5-7, 6-4, 6-2)
QF: Rafael Nadal def. Novak Djokovic (6-4, 6-4 ret.)
SF: Rafael Nadal def. Ivan Ljubicic (6-4, 6-2, 7-6)
FR: Rafael Nadal def. Roger Federer (1-6, 6-1, 6-4, 7-6)

2007 French Open
R128: Rafael Nadal def. Juan Martin del Potro (7-5, 6-3, 6-2)
R64: Rafael Nadal def. Flavio Cipolla (6-2, 6-1, 6-4)
R32: Rafael Nadal def. Albert Montanes (6-1, 6-3, 6-2)
R16: Rafael Nadal def. Lleyton Hewitt (6-3, 6-1, 7-6)
QF: Rafael Nadal def. Carlos Moya (6-4, 6-3, 6-0)
SF: Rafael Nadal def. Novak Djokovic (7-5, 6-4, 6-2)
FR: Rafael Nadal def. Roger Federer (6-3, 4-6, 6-3, 6-4)

2008 French Open
R128: Rafael Nadal def. Thomaz Bellucci (7-5, 6-3, 6-1)
R64: Rafael Nadal def. Nicolas Devilder (6-4, 6-0, 6-1)
R32: Rafael Nadal def. Jarkko Nieminen (6-1, 6-3, 6-1)
R16: Rafael Nadal def. Fernando Verdasco (6-1, 6-0, 6-2)
QF: Rafael Nadal def. Nicolas Almagro (6-1, 6-1, 6-1)
SF: Rafael Nadal def. Novak Djokovic (6-4, 6-2, 7-6)
FR: Rafael Nadal def. Roger Federer (6-1, 6-3, 6-0)

2009 French Open
R128: Rafael Nadal def. Marcos Daniel (7-5, 6-4, 6-3)
R64: Rafael Nadal def. Teymuraz Gabashvili (6-1, 6-4, 6-2)
R32: Rafael Nadal def. Lleyton Hewitt (6-1, 6-3, 6-1)
R16: Robin Soderling def. Rafael Nadal (6-2, 6-7, 6-4, 7-6)

2010 French Open
R128: Rafael Nadal def. Gianni Mina (6-2, 6-2, 6-2)
R64: Rafael Nadal def. Horacio Zeballos (6-2, 6-2, 6-3)
R32: Rafael Nadal def. Lleyton Hewitt (6-3, 6-4, 6-3)
R16: Rafael Nadal def. Thomaz Bellucci (6-2, 7-5, 6-4)
QF: Rafael Nadal def. Nicolas Almagro (7-6, 7-6, 6-4)
SF: Rafael Nadal def. Jurgen Melzer (6-2, 6-3, 7-6)
FR: Rafael Nadal def. Robin Soderling (6-4, 6-2, 6-4)

2011 French Open
R128: Rafael Nadal def. John Isner (6-4, 6-7, 6-7, 6-2, 6-4)
R64: Rafael Nadal def. Pablo Andujar (7-5, 6-3, 7-6)
R32: Rafael Nadal def. Antonio Veic (6-1, 6-3, 6-0)
R16: Rafael Nadal def. Ivan Ljubicic (7-5, 6-3, 6-3)
QF: Rafael Nadal def. Robin Soderling (6-4, 6-1, 7-6)
SF: Rafael Nadal def. Andy Murray (6-4, 7-5, 6-4)
FR: Rafael Nadal def. Roger Federer (7-5, 7-6, 5-7, 6-1)

2012 French Open
R128: Rafael Nadal def. Simone Bolelli (6-2, 6-2, 6-1)
R64: Rafael Nadal def. Denis Istomin (6-2, 6-2, 6-0)
R32: Rafael Nadal def. Eduardo Schwank (6-1, 6-3, 6-4)
R16: Rafael Nadal def. Juan Monaco (6-2, 6-0, 6-0)
QF: Rafael Nadal def. Nicolas Almagro (7-6, 6-2, 6-3)
SF: Rafael Nadal def. David Ferrer (6-2, 6-2, 6-1)
FR: Rafael Nadal def. Novak Djokovic (6-4, 6-3, 2-6, 7-5)

2013 French Open
R128: Rafael Nadal def. Daniel Brands (4-6, 7-6, 6-4, 6-3)
R64: Rafael Nadal def. Martin Klizan (4-6, 6-3, 6-3, 6-3)
R32: Rafael Nadal def. Fabio Fognini (7-6, 6-4, 6-4)
R16: Rafael Nadal def. Kei Nishikori (6-4, 6-1, 6-3)
QF: Rafael Nadal def. Stanislas Wawrinka (6-2, 6-3, 6-1)
SF: Rafael Nadal def. Novak Djokovic (6-4, 3-6, 6-1, 6-7, 9-7)
FR: Rafael Nadal def. David Ferrer (6-3, 6-2, 6-3)
 
dudeski said:
OP said it was Fed's prime only. He was very generous to include 2010 and 2011 in that. Are you saying Fed was in his prime even later like 2013? In that case I am sure you will also consider 2018 Nadal's prime.
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Well actually, the OP says it's Federer and Nadal's combined prime. I presume then that his conditions are that both players are in specifically their clay-court prime in said years. As such, 2004 (only Federer), 2012 and 2013 (only Nadal) don't fall in line in with his opinion.
 
Mustard, are Nadal's 5 biggest wins at the French Open, all of his wins over Federer?

What do you think are Federer's 5 biggest wins at the French Open?
 
Mustard said:
Perhaps.



Beating Soderling in the 2009 final was the biggest. The others are probably the close 2009 victories over del Potro and Haas, the 2011 semi over Djokovic. What else? Beating Moya in 2005?
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Yeah, Moya in 2005 catches my eye as a past champion and former #1.
 
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Mustard said:
It's better to look at their match records:

Roger Federer
1999 French Open
R128: Patrick Rafter def. Roger Federer (5-7, 6-3, 6-0, 6-2)

2000 French Open
R128: Roger Federer def. Wayne Arthurs (7-6, 6-3, 1-6, 6-3)
R64: Roger Federer def. Jan-Michael Gambill (7-6, 6-3, 6-3)
R32: Roger Federer def. Michel Kratochvil (7-6, 6-4, 2-6, 6-7, 8-6)
R16: Alex Corretja def. Roger Federer (7-5, 7-6, 6-2)

2001 French Open
R128: Roger Federer def. Stefano Galvani (6-3, 6-3, 6-3)
R64: Roger Federer def. Sargis Sargsian (4-6, 3-6, 6-2, 6-4, 9-7)
R32: Roger Federer def. David Sanchez (6-4, 6-3, 1-6, 6-3)
R16: Roger Federer def. Wayne Arthurs (3-6, 6-3, 6-4, 6-2)
QF: Alex Corretja def. Roger Federer (7-5, 6-4, 7-5)

2002 French Open
R128: Hicham Arazi def. Roger Federer (6-3, 6-2, 6-4)

2003 French Open
R128: Luis Horna def. Roger Federer (7-6, 6-2, 7-6)

2004 French Open
R128: Roger Federer def. Kristof Vliegen (6-1, 6-2, 6-1)
R64: Roger Federer def. Nicolas Kiefer (6-3, 6-4, 7-6)
R32: Gustavo Kuerten def. Roger Federer (6-4, 6-4, 6-4)

2005 French Open
R128: Roger Federer def. Dudi Sela (6-1, 6-4, 6-0)
R64: Roger Federer def. Nicolas Almagro (6-3, 7-6, 6-2)
R32: Roger Federer def. Fernando Gonzalez (7-6, 7-5, 6-2)
R16: Roger Federer def. Carlos Moya (6-1, 6-4, 6-3)
QF: Roger Federer def. Victor Hanescu (6-2, 7-6, 6-3)
SF: Rafael Nadal def. Roger Federer (6-3, 4-6, 6-4, 6-3)

2006 French Open
R128: Roger Federer def. Diego Hartfield (7-5, 7-6, 6-2)
R64: Roger Federer def. Alejandro Falla (6-1, 6-4, 6-3)
R32: Roger Federer def. Nicolas Massu (6-1, 6-2, 6-7, 7-5)
R16: Roger Federer def. Tomas Berdych (6-3, 6-2, 6-3)
QF: Roger Federer def. Mario Ancic (6-4, 6-3, 6-4)
SF: Roger Federer def. David Nalbandian (3-6, 6-4, 5-2 ret.)
F: Rafael Nadal def. Roger Federer (1-6, 6-1, 6-4, 7-6)

2007 French Open
R128: Roger Federer def. Michael Russell (6-4, 6-2, 6-4)
R64: Roger Federer def. Thierry Ascione (6-1, 6-2, 7-6)
R32: Roger Federer def. Potito Starace (6-2, 6-3, 6-0)
R16: Roger Federer def. Mikhail Youzhny (7-6, 6-4, 6-4)
QF: Roger Federer def. Tommy Robredo (7-5, 1-6, 6-1, 6-2)
SF: Roger Federer def. Nikolay Davydenko (7-5, 7-6, 7-6)
F: Rafael Nadal def. Roger Federer (6-3, 4-6, 6-3, 6-4)

2008 French Open
R128: Roger Federer def. Sam Querrey (6-4, 6-4, 6-3)
R64: Roger Federer def. Albert Montanes (6-7, 6-1, 6-0, 6-4)
R32: Roger Federer def. Mario Ancic (6-3, 6-4, 6-2)
R16: Roger Federer def. Julien Benneteau (6-4, 7-5, 7-5)
QF: Roger Federer def. Fernando Gonzalez (2-6, 6-2, 6-3, 6-4)
SF: Roger Federer def. Gael Monfils (6-2, 5-7, 6-3, 7-5)
F: Rafael Nadal def. Roger Federer (6-1, 6-3, 6-0)

2009 French Open
R128: Roger Federer def. Alberto Martin (6-4, 6-3, 6-2)
R64: Roger Federer def. Jose Acasuso (7-6, 5-7, 7-6, 6-2)
R32: Roger Federer def. Paul-Henri Mathieu (4-6, 6-1, 6-4, 6-4)
R16: Roger Federer def. Tommy Haas (6-7, 5-7, 6-4, 6-0, 6-2)
QF: Roger Federer def. Gael Monfils (7-6, 6-2, 6-4)
SF: Roger Federer def. Juan Martin del Potro (3-6, 7-6, 2-6, 6-1, 6-4)
F: Roger Federer def. Robin Soderling (6-1, 7-6, 6-4)

2010 French Open
R128: Roger Federer def. Peter Luczak (6-4, 6-1, 6-2)
R64: Roger Federer def. Alejandro Falla (7-6, 6-2, 6-4)
R32: Roger Federer def. Julian Reister (6-4, 6-0, 6-4)
R16: Roger Federer def. Stanislas Wawrinka (6-3, 7-6, 6-2)
QF: Robin Soderling def. Roger Federer (3-6, 6-3, 7-5, 6-4)

2011 French Open
R128: Roger Federer def. Feliciano Lopez (6-3, 6-4, 7-6)
R64: Roger Federer def. Maxime Teixeira (6-3, 6-0, 6-2)
R32: Roger Federer def. Janko Tipsarevic (6-1, 6-4, 6-3)
R16: Roger Federer def. Stanislas Wawrinka (6-3, 6-2, 7-5)
QF: Roger Federer def. Gael Monfils (6-4, 6-3, 7-6)
SF: Roger Federer def. Novak Djokovic (7-6, 6-3, 3-6, 7-6)
F: Rafael Nadal def. Roger Federer (7-5, 7-6, 5-7, 6-1)

2012 French Open
R128: Roger Federer def. Tobias Kamke (6-2, 7-5, 6-3)
R64: Roger Federer def. Adrian Ungur (6-3, 6-2, 6-7, 6-3)
R32: Roger Federer def. Nicolas Mahut (6-3, 4-6, 6-2, 7-5)
R16: Roger Federer def. David Goffin (5-7, 7-5, 6-2, 6-4)
QF: Roger Federer def. Juan Martin del Potro (3-6, 6-7, 6-2, 6-0, 6-3)
SF: Novak Djokovic def. Roger Federer (6-4, 7-5, 6-3)

2013 French Open
R128: Roger Federer def. Pablo Carreno-Busta (6-2, 6-2, 6-3)
R64: Roger Federer def. Somdev Devvarman (6-2, 6-1, 6-1)
R32: Roger Federer def. Julien Benneteau (6-3, 6-4, 7-5)
R16: Roger Federer def. Gilles Simon (6-1, 4-6, 2-6, 6-2, 6-3)
QF: Jo-Wilfried Tsonga def. Roger Federer (7-5, 6-3, 6-3)


Rafael Nadal
2005 French Open
R128: Rafael Nadal def. Lars Burgsmuller (6-1, 7-6, 6-1)
R64: Rafael Nadal def. Xavier Malisse (6-2, 6-2, 6-4)
R32: Rafael Nadal def. Richard Gasquet (6-4, 6-3, 6-2)
R16: Rafael Nadal def. Sebastien Grosjean (6-4, 3-6, 6-0, 6-3)
QF: Rafael Nadal def. David Ferrer (7-5, 6-2, 6-0)
SF: Rafael Nadal def. Roger Federer (6-3, 4-6, 6-4, 6-3)
FR: Rafael Nadal def. Mariano Puerta (6-7, 6-3, 6-1, 7-5)

2006 French Open
R128: Rafael Nadal def. Robin Soderling (6-2, 7-5, 6-1)
R64: Rafael Nadal def. Kevin Kim (6-2, 6-1, 6-4)
R32: Rafael Nadal def. Paul-Henri Mathieu (5-7, 6-4, 6-4, 6-4)
R16: Rafael Nadal def. Lleyton Hewitt (6-2, 5-7, 6-4, 6-2)
QF: Rafael Nadal def. Novak Djokovic (6-4, 6-4 ret.)
SF: Rafael Nadal def. Ivan Ljubicic (6-4, 6-2, 7-6)
FR: Rafael Nadal def. Roger Federer (1-6, 6-1, 6-4, 7-6)

2007 French Open
R128: Rafael Nadal def. Juan Martin del Potro (7-5, 6-3, 6-2)
R64: Rafael Nadal def. Flavio Cipolla (6-2, 6-1, 6-4)
R32: Rafael Nadal def. Albert Montanes (6-1, 6-3, 6-2)
R16: Rafael Nadal def. Lleyton Hewitt (6-3, 6-1, 7-6)
QF: Rafael Nadal def. Carlos Moya (6-4, 6-3, 6-0)
SF: Rafael Nadal def. Novak Djokovic (7-5, 6-4, 6-2)
FR: Rafael Nadal def. Roger Federer (6-3, 4-6, 6-3, 6-4)

2008 French Open
R128: Rafael Nadal def. Thomaz Bellucci (7-5, 6-3, 6-1)
R64: Rafael Nadal def. Nicolas Devilder (6-4, 6-0, 6-1)
R32: Rafael Nadal def. Jarkko Nieminen (6-1, 6-3, 6-1)
R16: Rafael Nadal def. Fernando Verdasco (6-1, 6-0, 6-2)
QF: Rafael Nadal def. Nicolas Almagro (6-1, 6-1, 6-1)
SF: Rafael Nadal def. Novak Djokovic (6-4, 6-2, 7-6)
FR: Rafael Nadal def. Roger Federer (6-1, 6-3, 6-0)

2009 French Open
R128: Rafael Nadal def. Marcos Daniel (7-5, 6-4, 6-3)
R64: Rafael Nadal def. Teymuraz Gabashvili (6-1, 6-4, 6-2)
R32: Rafael Nadal def. Lleyton Hewitt (6-1, 6-3, 6-1)
R16: Robin Soderling def. Rafael Nadal (6-2, 6-7, 6-4, 7-6)

2010 French Open
R128: Rafael Nadal def. Gianni Mina (6-2, 6-2, 6-2)
R64: Rafael Nadal def. Horacio Zeballos (6-2, 6-2, 6-3)
R32: Rafael Nadal def. Lleyton Hewitt (6-3, 6-4, 6-3)
R16: Rafael Nadal def. Thomaz Bellucci (6-2, 7-5, 6-4)
QF: Rafael Nadal def. Nicolas Almagro (7-6, 7-6, 6-4)
SF: Rafael Nadal def. Jurgen Melzer (6-2, 6-3, 7-6)
FR: Rafael Nadal def. Robin Soderling (6-4, 6-2, 6-4)

2011 French Open
R128: Rafael Nadal def. John Isner (6-4, 6-7, 6-7, 6-2, 6-4)
R64: Rafael Nadal def. Pablo Andujar (7-5, 6-3, 7-6)
R32: Rafael Nadal def. Antonio Veic (6-1, 6-3, 6-0)
R16: Rafael Nadal def. Ivan Ljubicic (7-5, 6-3, 6-3)
QF: Rafael Nadal def. Robin Soderling (6-4, 6-1, 7-6)
SF: Rafael Nadal def. Andy Murray (6-4, 7-5, 6-4)
FR: Rafael Nadal def. Roger Federer (7-5, 7-6, 5-7, 6-1)

2012 French Open
R128: Rafael Nadal def. Simone Bolelli (6-2, 6-2, 6-1)
R64: Rafael Nadal def. Denis Istomin (6-2, 6-2, 6-0)
R32: Rafael Nadal def. Eduardo Schwank (6-1, 6-3, 6-4)
R16: Rafael Nadal def. Juan Monaco (6-2, 6-0, 6-0)
QF: Rafael Nadal def. Nicolas Almagro (7-6, 6-2, 6-3)
SF: Rafael Nadal def. David Ferrer (6-2, 6-2, 6-1)
FR: Rafael Nadal def. Novak Djokovic (6-4, 6-3, 2-6, 7-5)

2013 French Open
R128: Rafael Nadal def. Daniel Brands (4-6, 7-6, 6-4, 6-3)
R64: Rafael Nadal def. Martin Klizan (4-6, 6-3, 6-3, 6-3)
R32: Rafael Nadal def. Fabio Fognini (7-6, 6-4, 6-4)
R16: Rafael Nadal def. Kei Nishikori (6-4, 6-1, 6-3)
QF: Rafael Nadal def. Stanislas Wawrinka (6-2, 6-3, 6-1)
SF: Rafael Nadal def. Novak Djokovic (6-4, 3-6, 6-1, 6-7, 9-7)
FR: Rafael Nadal def. David Ferrer (6-3, 6-2, 6-3)
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Yes, it's clear Rafa is far and away the best on clay here.. but it is fun to pretend what could've been without Rafa.

Can you imagine 5 time FO champion Roger Federer? I sure can.
 
Mustard said:
It's better to look at their match records:

Roger Federer
1999 French Open
R128: Patrick Rafter def. Roger Federer (5-7, 6-3, 6-0, 6-2)

2000 French Open
R128: Roger Federer def. Wayne Arthurs (7-6, 6-3, 1-6, 6-3)
R64: Roger Federer def. Jan-Michael Gambill (7-6, 6-3, 6-3)
R32: Roger Federer def. Michel Kratochvil (7-6, 6-4, 2-6, 6-7, 8-6)
R16: Alex Corretja def. Roger Federer (7-5, 7-6, 6-2)

2001 French Open
R128: Roger Federer def. Stefano Galvani (6-3, 6-3, 6-3)
R64: Roger Federer def. Sargis Sargsian (4-6, 3-6, 6-2, 6-4, 9-7)
R32: Roger Federer def. David Sanchez (6-4, 6-3, 1-6, 6-3)
R16: Roger Federer def. Wayne Arthurs (3-6, 6-3, 6-4, 6-2)
QF: Alex Corretja def. Roger Federer (7-5, 6-4, 7-5)

2002 French Open
R128: Hicham Arazi def. Roger Federer (6-3, 6-2, 6-4)

2003 French Open
R128: Luis Horna def. Roger Federer (7-6, 6-2, 7-6)

2004 French Open
R128: Roger Federer def. Kristof Vliegen (6-1, 6-2, 6-1)
R64: Roger Federer def. Nicolas Kiefer (6-3, 6-4, 7-6)
R32: Gustavo Kuerten def. Roger Federer (6-4, 6-4, 6-4)

2005 French Open
R128: Roger Federer def. Dudi Sela (6-1, 6-4, 6-0)
R64: Roger Federer def. Nicolas Almagro (6-3, 7-6, 6-2)
R32: Roger Federer def. Fernando Gonzalez (7-6, 7-5, 6-2)
R16: Roger Federer def. Carlos Moya (6-1, 6-4, 6-3)
QF: Roger Federer def. Victor Hanescu (6-2, 7-6, 6-3)
SF: Rafael Nadal def. Roger Federer (6-3, 4-6, 6-4, 6-3)

2006 French Open
R128: Roger Federer def. Diego Hartfield (7-5, 7-6, 6-2)
R64: Roger Federer def. Alejandro Falla (6-1, 6-4, 6-3)
R32: Roger Federer def. Nicolas Massu (6-1, 6-2, 6-7, 7-5)
R16: Roger Federer def. Tomas Berdych (6-3, 6-2, 6-3)
QF: Roger Federer def. Mario Ancic (6-4, 6-3, 6-4)
SF: Roger Federer def. David Nalbandian (3-6, 6-4, 5-2 ret.)
F: Rafael Nadal def. Roger Federer (1-6, 6-1, 6-4, 7-6)

2007 French Open
R128: Roger Federer def. Michael Russell (6-4, 6-2, 6-4)
R64: Roger Federer def. Thierry Ascione (6-1, 6-2, 7-6)
R32: Roger Federer def. Potito Starace (6-2, 6-3, 6-0)
R16: Roger Federer def. Mikhail Youzhny (7-6, 6-4, 6-4)
QF: Roger Federer def. Tommy Robredo (7-5, 1-6, 6-1, 6-2)
SF: Roger Federer def. Nikolay Davydenko (7-5, 7-6, 7-6)
F: Rafael Nadal def. Roger Federer (6-3, 4-6, 6-3, 6-4)

2008 French Open
R128: Roger Federer def. Sam Querrey (6-4, 6-4, 6-3)
R64: Roger Federer def. Albert Montanes (6-7, 6-1, 6-0, 6-4)
R32: Roger Federer def. Mario Ancic (6-3, 6-4, 6-2)
R16: Roger Federer def. Julien Benneteau (6-4, 7-5, 7-5)
QF: Roger Federer def. Fernando Gonzalez (2-6, 6-2, 6-3, 6-4)
SF: Roger Federer def. Gael Monfils (6-2, 5-7, 6-3, 7-5)
F: Rafael Nadal def. Roger Federer (6-1, 6-3, 6-0)

2009 French Open
R128: Roger Federer def. Alberto Martin (6-4, 6-3, 6-2)
R64: Roger Federer def. Jose Acasuso (7-6, 5-7, 7-6, 6-2)
R32: Roger Federer def. Paul-Henri Mathieu (4-6, 6-1, 6-4, 6-4)
R16: Roger Federer def. Tommy Haas (6-7, 5-7, 6-4, 6-0, 6-2)
QF: Roger Federer def. Gael Monfils (7-6, 6-2, 6-4)
SF: Roger Federer def. Juan Martin del Potro (3-6, 7-6, 2-6, 6-1, 6-4)
F: Roger Federer def. Robin Soderling (6-1, 7-6, 6-4)

2010 French Open
R128: Roger Federer def. Peter Luczak (6-4, 6-1, 6-2)
R64: Roger Federer def. Alejandro Falla (7-6, 6-2, 6-4)
R32: Roger Federer def. Julian Reister (6-4, 6-0, 6-4)
R16: Roger Federer def. Stanislas Wawrinka (6-3, 7-6, 6-2)
QF: Robin Soderling def. Roger Federer (3-6, 6-3, 7-5, 6-4)

2011 French Open
R128: Roger Federer def. Feliciano Lopez (6-3, 6-4, 7-6)
R64: Roger Federer def. Maxime Teixeira (6-3, 6-0, 6-2)
R32: Roger Federer def. Janko Tipsarevic (6-1, 6-4, 6-3)
R16: Roger Federer def. Stanislas Wawrinka (6-3, 6-2, 7-5)
QF: Roger Federer def. Gael Monfils (6-4, 6-3, 7-6)
SF: Roger Federer def. Novak Djokovic (7-6, 6-3, 3-6, 7-6)
F: Rafael Nadal def. Roger Federer (7-5, 7-6, 5-7, 6-1)

2012 French Open
R128: Roger Federer def. Tobias Kamke (6-2, 7-5, 6-3)
R64: Roger Federer def. Adrian Ungur (6-3, 6-2, 6-7, 6-3)
R32: Roger Federer def. Nicolas Mahut (6-3, 4-6, 6-2, 7-5)
R16: Roger Federer def. David Goffin (5-7, 7-5, 6-2, 6-4)
QF: Roger Federer def. Juan Martin del Potro (3-6, 6-7, 6-2, 6-0, 6-3)
SF: Novak Djokovic def. Roger Federer (6-4, 7-5, 6-3)

2013 French Open
R128: Roger Federer def. Pablo Carreno-Busta (6-2, 6-2, 6-3)
R64: Roger Federer def. Somdev Devvarman (6-2, 6-1, 6-1)
R32: Roger Federer def. Julien Benneteau (6-3, 6-4, 7-5)
R16: Roger Federer def. Gilles Simon (6-1, 4-6, 2-6, 6-2, 6-3)
QF: Jo-Wilfried Tsonga def. Roger Federer (7-5, 6-3, 6-3)


Rafael Nadal
2005 French Open
R128: Rafael Nadal def. Lars Burgsmuller (6-1, 7-6, 6-1)
R64: Rafael Nadal def. Xavier Malisse (6-2, 6-2, 6-4)
R32: Rafael Nadal def. Richard Gasquet (6-4, 6-3, 6-2)
R16: Rafael Nadal def. Sebastien Grosjean (6-4, 3-6, 6-0, 6-3)
QF: Rafael Nadal def. David Ferrer (7-5, 6-2, 6-0)
SF: Rafael Nadal def. Roger Federer (6-3, 4-6, 6-4, 6-3)
FR: Rafael Nadal def. Mariano Puerta (6-7, 6-3, 6-1, 7-5)

2006 French Open
R128: Rafael Nadal def. Robin Soderling (6-2, 7-5, 6-1)
R64: Rafael Nadal def. Kevin Kim (6-2, 6-1, 6-4)
R32: Rafael Nadal def. Paul-Henri Mathieu (5-7, 6-4, 6-4, 6-4)
R16: Rafael Nadal def. Lleyton Hewitt (6-2, 5-7, 6-4, 6-2)
QF: Rafael Nadal def. Novak Djokovic (6-4, 6-4 ret.)
SF: Rafael Nadal def. Ivan Ljubicic (6-4, 6-2, 7-6)
FR: Rafael Nadal def. Roger Federer (1-6, 6-1, 6-4, 7-6)

2007 French Open
R128: Rafael Nadal def. Juan Martin del Potro (7-5, 6-3, 6-2)
R64: Rafael Nadal def. Flavio Cipolla (6-2, 6-1, 6-4)
R32: Rafael Nadal def. Albert Montanes (6-1, 6-3, 6-2)
R16: Rafael Nadal def. Lleyton Hewitt (6-3, 6-1, 7-6)
QF: Rafael Nadal def. Carlos Moya (6-4, 6-3, 6-0)
SF: Rafael Nadal def. Novak Djokovic (7-5, 6-4, 6-2)
FR: Rafael Nadal def. Roger Federer (6-3, 4-6, 6-3, 6-4)

2008 French Open
R128: Rafael Nadal def. Thomaz Bellucci (7-5, 6-3, 6-1)
R64: Rafael Nadal def. Nicolas Devilder (6-4, 6-0, 6-1)
R32: Rafael Nadal def. Jarkko Nieminen (6-1, 6-3, 6-1)
R16: Rafael Nadal def. Fernando Verdasco (6-1, 6-0, 6-2)
QF: Rafael Nadal def. Nicolas Almagro (6-1, 6-1, 6-1)
SF: Rafael Nadal def. Novak Djokovic (6-4, 6-2, 7-6)
FR: Rafael Nadal def. Roger Federer (6-1, 6-3, 6-0)

2009 French Open
R128: Rafael Nadal def. Marcos Daniel (7-5, 6-4, 6-3)
R64: Rafael Nadal def. Teymuraz Gabashvili (6-1, 6-4, 6-2)
R32: Rafael Nadal def. Lleyton Hewitt (6-1, 6-3, 6-1)
R16: Robin Soderling def. Rafael Nadal (6-2, 6-7, 6-4, 7-6)

2010 French Open
R128: Rafael Nadal def. Gianni Mina (6-2, 6-2, 6-2)
R64: Rafael Nadal def. Horacio Zeballos (6-2, 6-2, 6-3)
R32: Rafael Nadal def. Lleyton Hewitt (6-3, 6-4, 6-3)
R16: Rafael Nadal def. Thomaz Bellucci (6-2, 7-5, 6-4)
QF: Rafael Nadal def. Nicolas Almagro (7-6, 7-6, 6-4)
SF: Rafael Nadal def. Jurgen Melzer (6-2, 6-3, 7-6)
FR: Rafael Nadal def. Robin Soderling (6-4, 6-2, 6-4)

2011 French Open
R128: Rafael Nadal def. John Isner (6-4, 6-7, 6-7, 6-2, 6-4)
R64: Rafael Nadal def. Pablo Andujar (7-5, 6-3, 7-6)
R32: Rafael Nadal def. Antonio Veic (6-1, 6-3, 6-0)
R16: Rafael Nadal def. Ivan Ljubicic (7-5, 6-3, 6-3)
QF: Rafael Nadal def. Robin Soderling (6-4, 6-1, 7-6)
SF: Rafael Nadal def. Andy Murray (6-4, 7-5, 6-4)
FR: Rafael Nadal def. Roger Federer (7-5, 7-6, 5-7, 6-1)

2012 French Open
R128: Rafael Nadal def. Simone Bolelli (6-2, 6-2, 6-1)
R64: Rafael Nadal def. Denis Istomin (6-2, 6-2, 6-0)
R32: Rafael Nadal def. Eduardo Schwank (6-1, 6-3, 6-4)
R16: Rafael Nadal def. Juan Monaco (6-2, 6-0, 6-0)
QF: Rafael Nadal def. Nicolas Almagro (7-6, 6-2, 6-3)
SF: Rafael Nadal def. David Ferrer (6-2, 6-2, 6-1)
FR: Rafael Nadal def. Novak Djokovic (6-4, 6-3, 2-6, 7-5)

2013 French Open
R128: Rafael Nadal def. Daniel Brands (4-6, 7-6, 6-4, 6-3)
R64: Rafael Nadal def. Martin Klizan (4-6, 6-3, 6-3, 6-3)
R32: Rafael Nadal def. Fabio Fognini (7-6, 6-4, 6-4)
R16: Rafael Nadal def. Kei Nishikori (6-4, 6-1, 6-3)
QF: Rafael Nadal def. Stanislas Wawrinka (6-2, 6-3, 6-1)
SF: Rafael Nadal def. Novak Djokovic (6-4, 3-6, 6-1, 6-7, 9-7)
FR: Rafael Nadal def. David Ferrer (6-3, 6-2, 6-3)
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You just woke up the Fa-rds from their wet dreams. :lol:
 
interesting how Federer's least dominant year in terms of sets lost was the year he actually won it.

It's amazing how much pressure he had on him to win once Nadal lost and how bumpy and dicey that road was.

It's just insane to think how dominant Federer would have been if Nadal had been aborted.

Whereas without Federer, Nadal would've just passed Pete with 15 slams last year..... although would probably have the total weeks at #1 thing within grasp
 
dudeski said:
OP said it was Fed's prime only. He was very generous to include 2010 and 2011 in that. Are you saying Fed was in his prime even later like 2013? In that case I am sure you will also consider 2018 Nadal's prime.
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Fed's prime seems to be a moveable feast depending on what is at stake.
 
clayqueen said:
Fed's prime seems to be a moveable feast depending on what is at stake.
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Generally Fed fans say it's 2003 to 2009 or 2010. So including 2011 was being generous to Nadal fans. But I wouldn't expect you to realize that. And don't try to say that 30 year old Federer is in his prime still. That's just preposterous.
 
Cup8489 said:
Generally Fed fans say it's 2003 to 2009 or 2010. So including 2011 was being generous to Nadal fans. But I wouldn't expect you to realize that. And don't try to say that 30 year old Federer is in his prime still. That's just preposterous.
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But for this exercise his prime started in 2005 because his stats in 2003 & 2004 do not go with the story.
 
McEnroeisanartist said:
I think one way to measure dominance at a Grand Slam is sets won/loss percentage. If you compare Federer and Nadal's sets/won loss percentage against the field (not against each other), it is quite interesting:

2005 - Federer 15-0, Nadal 18-2
2006 - Federer 17-2, Nadal 17-2
2007 - Federer 18-1, Nadal 18-0
2008 - Federer 18-3, Nadal 18-0
2009 - Federer 21-6, Nadal 10-3
2010 - Federer 13-3, Nadal 21-0
2011 - Federer 18-1, Nadal 18-2

As you can see, Federer was more "dominant" in 3 of the 7 years, Nadal was more "dominant" in 3 of the 7 years and they tied one year. Obviously, it is all about actually winning a Grand Slam, but I think this shows just how good Federer was against the field during his and Nadal's prime at the French Open.
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No Nadal and Federer would have more RG than Lendl, Wilander and Kuerten.
 
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