Leandro2045
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The other one is of course the great Andy Murray.
5-2 vs Federer (71.4%)
5-7 vs Djokovic (41.6%)
6-9 vs Nadal (40%)
5-2 vs Federer (71.4%)
5-7 vs Djokovic (41.6%)
6-9 vs Nadal (40%)
Fedr has been old since 1981Murray beat them when they were all in their prime. That’s very impressive
and before anyone says post 2007 Fed is old..
Here's the ranking position of Big3 when Thiem beat them:Murray beat them when they were all in their prime. That’s very impressive
and before anyone says post 2007 Fed is old..
Doesn’t change the fact they are all 30+Here's the ranking position of Big3 when Thiem beat them:
#5
#2
#3
#4
#2
#13
#1
#4
#2
#3
#1
#3
#2
#1
#2
#1
Why doesn't the ATP make a ranking based on age if that's so important?Doesn’t change the fact they are all 30+
Nadal and Djokovic were both horrible matchups for Berdych. He doesn't have 5 wins against any of them, and he played them LOTS of time.It has seriously took this long for someone other than Murray to have 5 wins against them? That is a statistic i was not aware of and i'm shocked and equally impessed by. Berdych/Tsonga never managed it? I would have thought one of them must have done it.
Presume this is current H2H overall? I think someone mentioned stats are even better if you just look at 2 years?The other one is of course the great Andy Murray.
5-2 vs Federer (71.4%)
5-7 vs Djokovic (41.6%)
6-9 vs Nadal (40%)
Murray lost 56 times against the big three...[/QUOTE]Murray beat them when they were all in their prime. That’s very impressive
and before anyone says post 2007 Fed is old..
Yeah i just looked it up myself. Tsonga came extremely close, he needed just 1 more win against Nadal to achieve it. Crazy statistic.Nadal and Djokovic were both horrible matchups for Berdych. He doesn't have 5 wins against any of them, and he played them LOTS of time.
Correct that's his overall H2H.Presume this is current H2H overall? I think someone mentioned stats are even better if you just look at 2 years?
But has beaten them more times than any other player and beaten them ALL in big finals several times over in at least 2 cases.Murray lost 56 times against the big three...
Damn - that is interesting - knew had the better of Rafa a lot recently but didn’t think so much on Novak...Correct that's his overall H2H.
But regarding his recent matches :
True. Murray's an ATG. I was just pointing out that he played A LOT of matches against them.But has beaten them more times than any other player and beaten them ALL in big finals several times over in at least 2 cases.![]()
Including in Rome!But has beaten them more times than any other player and beaten them ALL in big finals several times over in at least 2 cases.![]()
Indeed.Including in Rome!
12 meetings vs Rafa on clay is the reason.Ironically he won most vs Rafa, with whom he has worst percentage
Because he played most of the matches past their physical primes.Thiem is probably the fifth best player of all time at this point. He doesn’t have the numbers yet, but he has been able to hang with the three best players of all time.
Because the Big 3 were much better when Murray was playing them? Thiem's record would also be bad if he played them in their primes.Murray lost 56 times against the big three...
Of course it's important - players decline as they get older (in general).Why doesn't the ATP make a ranking based on age if that's so important?
Really? You can't? He's 12 years younger.i cant believe hes beaten federer 5 out of 7 times smh
That’s why I said fifth best. And they may be past their primes, but not too far past. Brad Gilbert just stated that Federer peaked in 2017. Just an opinion, but not a crazy one.Because he played most of the matches past their physical primes.
Not better than Andy Murray.
Yeah, Gilbert's opinions mean nothing to me.That’s why I said fifth best. And they may be past their primes, but not too far past. Brad Gilbert just stated that Federer peaked in 2017. Just an opinion, but not a crazy one.
I think it's safe to say Thiem is now equal to if not better than the Big 3 in their (in tennis terms) ancient ages.Correct that's his overall H2H.
But regarding his recent matches :
IW and Madrid 2019 were displays of unclutchness by rogeri cant believe hes beaten federer 5 out of 7 times smh
So are a ton of players on the tour, and they can't beat Fed. Age is not everything.Really? You can't? He's 12 years younger.
Federer also had 2 MPs in Stuttgart 2016 vs Thiem.IW and Madrid 2019 were displays of unclutchness by roger
Not everything, but a big part of it.So are a ton of players on the tour, and they can't beat Fed. Age is not everything.