Leandro2045
Rookie
The other one is of course the great Andy Murray.
5-2 vs Federer (71.4%)
5-7 vs Djokovic (41.6%)
6-9 vs Nadal (40%)
5-2 vs Federer (71.4%)
5-7 vs Djokovic (41.6%)
6-9 vs Nadal (40%)
Dominic Thiem is the 2nd ever player to have at least 5 wins against all members of the Big 3.
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TheNachoMan
Hall of Fame
Murray beat them when they were all in their prime. That’s very impressive
and before anyone says post 2007 Fed is old..
and before anyone says post 2007 Fed is old..
Breakpointerer
Legend
Fedr has been old since 1981
Lew II
Legend
Here's the ranking position of Big3 when Thiem beat them:
#5
#2
#3
#4
#2
#13
#1
#4
#2
#3
#1
#3
#2
#1
#2
#1
TheNachoMan
Hall of Fame
Doesn’t change the fact they are all 30+
Lew II
Legend
Why doesn't the ATP make a ranking based on age if that's so important?
Swingmaster
Hall of Fame
Thiem is probably the fifth best player of all time at this point. He doesn’t have the numbers yet, but he has been able to hang with the three best players of all time.
Krish872007
G.O.A.T.
Mury GOAT.
terribleIVAN
Hall of Fame
Told you guys; Thiem has reached Murray level already.
StrongRule
G.O.A.T.
Nadal and Djokovic were both horrible matchups for Berdych. He doesn't have 5 wins against any of them, and he played them LOTS of time.
irishnadalfan1983
Hall of Fame
Presume this is current H2H overall? I think someone mentioned stats are even better if you just look at 2 years?
DonDiego
Hall of Fame
Murray lost 56 times against the big three...[/QUOTE]
Terenigma
G.O.A.T.
Yeah i just looked it up myself. Tsonga came extremely close, he needed just 1 more win against Nadal to achieve it. Crazy statistic.
Leandro2045
Rookie
Correct that's his overall H2H.
But regarding his recent matches :
Mainad
Bionic Poster
But has beaten them more times than any other player and beaten them ALL in big finals several times over in at least 2 cases.
irishnadalfan1983
Hall of Fame
Damn - that is interesting - knew had the better of Rafa a lot recently but didn’t think so much on Novak...
DonDiego
Hall of Fame
True. Murray's an ATG. I was just pointing out that he played A LOT of matches against them.But has beaten them more times than any other player and beaten them ALL in big finals several times over in at least 2 cases.
Gazelle
Legend
Including in Rome!But has beaten them more times than any other player and beaten them ALL in big finals several times over in at least 2 cases.
Mainad
Bionic Poster
Indeed.
Wander
Professional
12 meetings vs Rafa on clay is the reason.
mike danny
Bionic Poster
Because he played most of the matches past their physical primes.
Not better than Andy Murray.
mike danny
Bionic Poster
Because the Big 3 were much better when Murray was playing them? Thiem's record would also be bad if he played them in their primes.
Phoenix1983
G.O.A.T.
Of course it's important - players decline as they get older (in general).
mike danny
Bionic Poster
Really? You can't? He's 12 years younger.
Swingmaster
Hall of Fame
That’s why I said fifth best. And they may be past their primes, but not too far past. Brad Gilbert just stated that Federer peaked in 2017. Just an opinion, but not a crazy one.
mike danny
Bionic Poster
Yeah, Gilbert's opinions mean nothing to me.
zvelf
Professional
I think it's safe to say Thiem is now equal to if not better than the Big 3 in their (in tennis terms) ancient ages.
Devtennis01
Hall of Fame
Not surprising. He's No.3 in the world and he's 27, five or six younger than them, 12 years younger than Federer.
It's not an impressive stat.
It's not an impressive stat.
HetTheGreaterer
Banned
IW and Madrid 2019 were displays of unclutchness by roger
DonDiego
Hall of Fame
So are a ton of players on the tour, and they can't beat Fed. Age is not everything.
abmk
Bionic Poster
Federer also had 2 MPs in Stuttgart 2016 vs Thiem.
Federer earned a match-point opportunity at 6/5, but missed a high volley to wrap up the contest. Thiem erased another match point at 7/6 with a passing shot winner, then received a set point of his own after Federer missed a drop shot. He took advantage by wrapping up the set with an overhead winner and play was suspended immediately after due to rain.
If Fed were clutch/solid in those matches, it could been 3-4 or 4-3 or 5-2
mike danny
Bionic Poster
Not everything, but a big part of it.