Dominic Thiem Racquet Specs

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Made u look.
I don't have the specs. But I sure am curious as to what they are and why he's really using.
I know he used to use a MP Prestige. Because @drakulie has string for him.
But after seeing today's performance against Goffin, and seeing his rhs I don't think he is using a racquet that heavy. Something must have hanged.
I have never seen anyone hammer forehands at will like this guy. And with an 18 main stock.
I'm just floored. Please chime in with any info on his specs or insight regarding his racquet. Is it a PJ Etc Etc.
Thiem is my new favorite.
Thanks in advance.
And for anyone that is gonna say there already is a thread in this subject well go kick rocks. I just started another one. :-)
 
thank you for that. but maybe his specs have recently changed along with his game as of the last year. can anyone be more specific as in this seasons specs.. confirmed.. @drakulie where are you.. we need you on this one.
my point being that i would guess that hes not using a 12oz stick. from the ferocity of his rhs im just guessing that hes closer to 11.5oz.
i am just gob smacked after watching his match against Goffin. i dont think i have ever seen forehands this wicked. Kyrgios can kiss his feet as far as im concerned. but i just cant imaging that hes using a 12oz stick.. ?
 
I'm hitting harder forehands with my PST than anything else I've used so far, including the RF97A (which I had 3 of). Flat and hard. Lovin' this frame in stock form.
 
danbrenner said:
thank you for that. but maybe his specs have recently changed along with his game as of the last year. can anyone be more specific as in this seasons specs.. confirmed.. @drakulie where are you.. we need you on this one.
my point being that i would guess that hes not using a 12oz stick. from the ferocity of his rhs im just guessing that hes closer to 11.5oz.
i am just gob smacked after watching his match against Goffin. i dont think i have ever seen forehands this wicked. Kyrgios can kiss his feet as far as im concerned. but i just cant imaging that hes using a 12oz stick.. ?
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I can't say whether he's changed his specs but I don't think by looking at his RHS you can tell. For a pro player the specs I gave are very light and I can't imagine his RHS being affected much at all. At least in my experience, SW and static weight don't have very much effect on RHS, at least not as much as some say. For example, with my current racquet at 380 g/31.75 cm/400 SW I lose barely noticeable RHS compared to using most stock racquet.
 
BA10S said:
I can't say whether he's changed his specs but I don't think by looking at his RHS you can tell. For a pro player the specs I gave are very light and I can't imagine his RHS being affected much at all. At least in my experience, SW and static weight don't have very much effect on RHS, at least not as much as some say. For example, with my current racquet at 380 g/31.75 cm/400 SW I lose barely noticeable RHS compared to using most stock racquet.
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Why are you swinging such a heavy racquet? Seems like it could tire you out or cause maneuverability issues. SW of 320ish is where I'm at.
 
we need some more info about Thiem. Do we know if he switched to a Bab Pure Strike when he went to Babolat.. or was that a PJ?
 
it would make sense to me that he is using the standard PS 18x20.. the specs like i said earlier are whippier, that would allow such a forehand. i cannot see him using his forehand the way he does with a Prestige MP .,. no way.
i kknow he sounds like Arnold, but hes not Arnold. so the lighter PS 18x20 would make sense. . we need help here. @drakulie help us please.
 
Babolat released his some time ago.
@danbrenner
But you seem to think you can't swing a racquet fast if it's medium heavy? A prestige MP is actually quite light by pro's standards you know? So a ps would be kind of superlight.
 
Cerps said:
Babolat released his some time ago.
@danbrenner
But you seem to think you can't swing a racquet fast if it's medium heavy? A prestige MP is actually quite light by pro's standards you know? So a ps would be kind of superlight.
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well after watching his strokes against Goffin, i have come to the assumption that he is not swinging a Prestige MP.
it makes more sense that it is in fact a Pure Strike 18x20 with whatever mods hes done to it.
again.. i have never in my life seen a better forehand .. a more whippy and accurate forehand than his
 
drakulie said:
I strung for him this past week. He is using an off the shelf pure strike 18/20.

Red string is origin 16g
Black string is rpm 17g at 26kg.

However, I suggested for him to try gut mains and rpm crosses and he really liked it so might be sticking with that set up.

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from the other Thiem thread back in 2015
Pic credit to @drakulie
 
But the frame clearly has lead on it. And if his SW is 345 and since he adds lead at 3 and 9 that would be roughly 10 grams of lead at 3 and 9 to most likely boost the frame to 335. He also has tournagrip on it which would bring it up to 340 which is 12 ounces.

There is no weight rule to hit the ball like him. It can easily be done at close to 12 ounces or over that weight as well. Plus, 345 SW is pretty healthy. Specs are individual per person.
 
Power Player said:
But the frame clearly has lead on it. And if his SW is 345 and since he adds lead at 3 and 9 that would be roughly 10 grams of lead at 3 and 9 to most likely boost the frame to 335. He also has tournagrip on it which would bring it up to 340 which is 12 ounces.

There is no weight rule to hit the ball like him. It can easily be done at close to 12 ounces or over that weight as well. Plus, 345 SW is pretty healthy. Specs are individual per person.
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It's 337 33 345 L2 grip molded to head rectangular shape
This is Dgorans answer in another thread.
So he's at 337 static. And 4 points headlight.
And he uses origin 16 mains and rpm crosses
I was floored watching the Goffin match. He was slamming forehand at will all over the court. It was the most impressive exhibition of forehands I have ever seen. It's one of those performances that makes you feel like a kid and want to go buy his equipment just to revel in his glory. But I won't. :-)
I have a Tec 300 I just got in that I can't wait to sting up. Really seems like my cup of tea. Maybe it will outshine the Blade. We'll see.
 
danbrenner said:
Hollllyyyy smokes.. you are da man. and thanks to Drakulie. thanks so so much. i knew it.. 11.4 oz is the only way to wield the way he does.
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But "off the shelf" does not necessarily mean stock retail weight. It just means it's not a custom frame nor a paintjob. Weight can still be added to a retail frame.
 
danbrenner said:
Correct. @dgoran cleared it up. He's at 337 static weight
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FYI, Thiem's idol Thomas Muster used a racquet that was close to 14 oz. and his RHS was about as fast as Thiem's.


Jules said:
Thomas Muster

Head Pro Tour 630

Head size: 95 sq. inches
Weight: 372 g (unstrung)
Balance: 32.8 cm (unstrung)
String pattern: 18 x 20
Stiffness: 68 (custom)
Grip size: 6 (with a build up at the buttcap)
Strings: Isospeed Professional
Tension: 40 kg (around)
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That's about 390g strung.

In fact, here's Muster playing against Thiem. Muster is more than twice Thiem's age.

 
How do you exactly compare his RHS to other players? Ball speed/spin is not the absolute merit. Subjectively? Deceptive.
 
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danbrenner said:
Made u look.
I don't have the specs. But I sure am curious as to what they are and why he's really using.
I know he used to use a MP Prestige. Because @drakulie has string for him.
But after seeing today's performance against Goffin, and seeing his rhs I don't think he is using a racquet that heavy. Something must have hanged.
I have never seen anyone hammer forehands at will like this guy. And with an 18 main stock.
I'm just floored. Please chime in with any info on his specs or insight regarding his racquet. Is it a PJ Etc Etc.
Thiem is my new favorite.
Thanks in advance.
And for anyone that is gonna say there already is a thread in this subject well go kick rocks. I just started another one. :)
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The way he blocks back returns, he can't be using a light racquet.
As for his whippy forehand, I think he's blessed with exceptionally strong+flexible wrists, even among top professionals.
 
danbrenner said:
It's 337 33 345 L2 grip molded to head rectangular shape
This is Dgorans answer in another thread.
So he's at 337 static. And 4 points headlight.
And he uses origin 16 mains and rpm crosses
I was floored watching the Goffin match. He was slamming forehand at will all over the court. It was the most impressive exhibition of forehands I have ever seen. It's one of those performances that makes you feel like a kid and want to go buy his equipment just to revel in his glory. But I won't. :)
I have a Tec 300 I just got in that I can't wait to sting up. Really seems like my cup of tea. Maybe it will outshine the Blade. We'll see.
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He doesn't hit that way because he has light racquet. He hits like that because he spent his life playing that style. Switching to a lighter frame for that reason will probably just throw your strokes off.

Also his frame is still moderately heavy - 345 SW at that balance takes good skill to whip around for that long at that level. Just looking at a static weight is not really giving you the real picture.

If you really want to get the vibe - I'd match his entire specs to an 18x20 like your Blade and see how it goes.
 
Power Player said:
He doesn't hit that way because he has light racquet. He hits like that because he spent his life playing that style. Switching to a lighter frame for that reason will probably just throw your strokes off.

Also his frame is still moderately heavy - 345 SW at that balance takes good skill to whip around for that long at that level. Just looking at a static weight is not really giving you the real picture.

If you really want to get the vibe - I'd match his entire specs to an 18x20 like your Blade and see how it goes.
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I wouldn't dare use those specs. My specs are my own and I generally use 11.2-11.6 oz stick. 4 or more points headlight. And 16x19.
But I'm just a huge admirer o Thiem. The way he wields that axe is jaw dropping.
I don't know if you caught his match against Goffin but I have not seen a clinic of forehands like his since Nadal at his prime.
And with even more rhs than nadal. Even Martina who was commentating the match was just in awe after every rally.
I have t been this floored over anyone's performance and style since 2008 Nadal.
And to boot he is humble. Not like his contemporaries who make me want to strangle them because of their stupidity like the Aussies.
But no I can't play with those specs If those are in fact accurate.
 
Thiems racket is pretty medium for weight range

My rackets are 345 strung and a sw of 367 so I'm pretty similar to thiem in weight of racket and sw

It's not hard to play with and I can whip it around fairly well
 
dgoran said:
It's 337 33 345 L2 grip molded to head rectangular shape[/QUO

zalive said:
You can't play the specs if you believe you can't play the specs. But if you're used to something pretty different, that's another story. Of course it's not just like that to make a switch.



How did you measure the RHS?
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Ihatetennis said:
Thiems racket is pretty medium for weight range

My rackets are 345 strung and a sw of 367 so I'm pretty similar to thiem in weight of racket and sw
No. His is 337 static and 345 sw


It's not hard to play with and I can whip it around fairly well
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Fairly well of course. I can whip an RFA around when I'm fresh.
But this man can flush this stick around like its a tooth pick. And make Martina Nacratilova weak in the knees after every forehand.
Go back and watch his match against Gofin
I am no rookie o tennis. I know what I am watching is the strongest forehand in te game post Nadal in his prime.
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zalive said:
You can't play the specs if you believe you can't play the specs. But if you're used to something pretty different, that's another story. Of course it's not just like that to make a switch.



How did you measure the RHS?
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Listen I'm not not trying to be that scientific.
His forehand as I have said just emotes something in me. And Nartina Nacratilova agrees with me. It's special. Just the way he whips it around like a toothpick. And creates rediculous arc with an 18m stick. This dude is a beast.
He is the new gen
 
And let me say for the record. This was not the case last year. This forehand has made its way onto the court this year and as of late to boot.
All I ask is for anyone watching this thread to go back and watch his match against Goffin.
 
Perhaps the reason is switching to Bab.
But I don't believe Bab gave him higher RHS. What I believe is that Bab is just much more powerful than his previous racquet (Prestige). So switching gave him instant boost in power, yet because of excellent technique he was able to control it.
Btw strings and tensions is vital info too to assess anything.

I believe there are other guys with just as high RHS, but using slower setups so it doesn't show that much on ball speed.

This is why measuring is important. Impressive ball speed in combo with the way he swings may make you think that his RHS is the highest around. But is it really so, or is it just a subjective impression? We cannot know this without measuring.
 
zalive said:
Perhaps the reason is switching to Bab.
But I don't believe Bab gave him higher RHS. What I believe is that Bab is just much more powerful than his previous racquet (Prestige). So switching gave him instant boost in power, yet because of excellent technique he was able to control it.
Btw strings and tensions is vital info too to assess anything.

I believe there are other guys with just as high RHS, but using slower setups so it doesn't show that much on ball speed.

This is why measuring is important. Impressive ball speed in combo with the way he swings may make you think that his RHS is the highest around. But is it really so, or is it just a subjective impression? We cannot know this without measuring.
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During the Goffin match there were severa times that after one of Thiems winners I just cracked up hysterically laughing.
At how over the top his fh is.
I haven't had that emotion since vintage Nadal.
 
As for the new gen, it's possible, because he hits really hard and shows to the others what can be done with the proper setup and proper technique. His BH is pretty impressive too.

If you take the clock ten years back, you'll see a different game back then. Less impressive than nowadays. Yet you had everything then just as now: co-poly strings, good racquets, good designs, customization knowledge, Babolats etc. But it took some time for the tennis community to learn the possibilities and how they can advance the game through marriage of technique, technology and setups (most important: what possibilities co-poly strings have opened, influencing the style). Perhaps Thiem is showing us what further can be done with what players have available now. Perhaps co-poly limit has not been reached yet.

We' are to see if others can copy this. Nadal didn't quite lead community anywhere. I've read here comments that there were young kids playing similar as him but I don't see any of them went far.

However, with all his impressive strokes, there are at least six guys on tour still better than him. Did you watch Nishikori teaching him a lesson in Rome?
 
zalive said:
As for the new gen, it's possible, because he hits really hard and shows to the others what can be done with the proper setup and proper technique. His BH is pretty impressive too.

If you take the clock ten years back, you'll see a different game back then. Less impressive than nowadays. Yet you had everything then just as now: great co-poly strings, good racquets, good designs, customization knowledge, Babolats etc. But it took some time for the tennis community to learn the possibilities and how they can advance the game through marriage of technique, technology and setups (most important: what possibilities co-poly strings have opened, influencing the style). Perhaps Thiem is showing us what further can be done with what players have available now. Perhaps co-poly limit has not been reached yet.

We' are to see if others can copy this. Nadal didn't lead quite community anywhere. I've read here comments that there were young kids playing similar as him but I don't see any of them went far.

However, with all his impressive strokes, there are at least six guys on the tour still better than him. Did you watch Nishikori teaching him a lesson in Rome?
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You have some very well though out analogies
Yes I see k manhandle him in Rome.
I'm not saying he's the best. (Yet)
But his forehand as exhibits during the Goffin match left me speechless. And Matina N as well. There is something about te way he cracks te ball that exudes emotion.
He got manhadles by the joker just yesterday but that doesn't take away from my bewilderment of his ground strokes.
I see a true champion in Thiem.
The next true champion IMO
 
Thiem is very interesting player.

Yesterday I analized his stats and compared this to what I saw in those couple of matches. He's currently not among the best in defensive part of game. And interesting, his footwork is A class, no least problem there. It's the anticipation of opponent's shot where his not the top. Top ATP guys got this covered. Novak for example often starts to move before the ball leaves the stringbed. He's the best at reading opponents shots before they happen, from serve to baseline shots.

Can he significantly improve this? He must if he wants to attack the top 5 (at least until those guys at the top are there and play great lol - after that, who knows). Very top consists of guys having great stats on receiving games. Current top 2 are tours very best when it comes to return games. It seems that great returners are currently the best that tennis has to offer.

Both Nishikori and Djokovic took initiative from him. Tactical premise was that he's too good to play regular (and relative safe) game against him, so he must be attacked and moved around as much as possible. Top guy can do this with reasonable control. By doing this they put him in situation of coming too late to the ball to be successful with his all out style, so they basically limiter his attack success.

But this level of control belongs to a different playing style / tactical approach.
 
I saw the match, and I'm not talking about Thursday league tennis

I play junior national tournaments haha, I swing that thing around 5-7 times a day if needed.
 
danbrenner said:
During the Goffin match there were severa times that after one of Thiems winners I just cracked up hysterically laughing.
At how over the top his fh is.
I haven't had that emotion since vintage Nadal.
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Ok, calm down. Those FHs are nice but not effective against the top players for the long run. They spend too much energy, unnecessarily IMO.
He was impressive against Goffin and zero in his next match
 
dr325i said:
Ok, calm down. Those FHs are nice but not effective against the top players for the long run. They spend too much energy, unnecessarily IMO.
He was impressive against Goffin and zero in his next match
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You are technically correct but missing the plot.
He was extremely effective against the top players. Just not the number one player in the world. That's nothing to sneeze at. But that is grossly incorrect to say not effective against the top players. So he lost to Novac. Big whoop.
Not to mention it was his first semi. He didn't Hse the composure to play his game. Next time around it will be different.
Dominic Thiem is in my opinion the greatest young talent on tour. He has poise and class and has become too ten already. You are missing the boat by not acknowledging him correctly.
And I'll stick by my guns. He has the tours greatest forehand.
 
Ihatetennis said:
I saw the match, and I'm not talking about Thursday league tennis

I play junior national tournaments haha, I swing that thing around 5-7 times a day if needed.
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Congratulations on making every single message you put down a sexual innuendo.
That's why I'm not even answering you.
 
Ihatetennis said:
Sexual innuendo? Are you reading between lines that aren't there.

Not sure if you're crazy, or if your mind is just in the gutter.
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Well if you are that naive when
Ihatetennis said:
Sexual innuendo? Are you reading between lines that aren't there.

Not sure if you're crazy, or if your mind is just in the gutter.
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looooool im literally lol ing
sorry.. i had a long night last night . paritied until 5am..
and i admit i am roasted right now. sorry. i thought u were being rude. my apologies.
but back on topic. Thiems forehand and specs
The new generation of players has been so so .. and this guy for me brings something special to the table.
his ferocious groundstrokes made me laugh when watching the Goffin match. laugh. i havent laughed out of astonishment in along time.
 
danbrenner said:
Well if you are that naive when

looooool im literally lol ing
sorry.. i had a long night last night . paritied until 5am..
and i admit i am roasted right now. sorry. i thought u were being rude. my apologies.
but back on topic. Thiems forehand and specs
The new generation of players has been so so .. and this guy for me brings something special to the table.
his ferocious groundstrokes made me laugh when watching the Goffin match. laugh. i havent laughed out of astonishment in along time.
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You're good, and yeah, I think it's the guys with modern strokes that learned to play with prestiges and classic rsckets

I learned to play with an I prestige mp so the high static weight and sw is just natural for me

Thiem grew up with a prestige as well so it's no surprise he's swinging something heavy
 
Ihatetennis said:
You're good, and yeah, I think it's the guys with modern strokes that learned to play with prestiges and classic rsckets

I learned to play with an I prestige mp so the high static weight and sw is just natural for me

Thiem grew up with a prestige as well so it's no surprise he's swinging something heavy
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this makes it all the more unbelievable. it looks like hes wielding a toothpick out there.
im gonna watch this guy closely. The new gen i wasnt so jazzed about.. the Aussies are just a holes. and Raonic has the personality of a Bull Frog. .
Thiem has the charm and good nature of true champion.. and now hes ranked #7 in the world. so all hes got to do is get past the mental block of dealing with the big 4.. and then its all over for everybody.
 
smalahove said:
I'm hitting harder forehands with my PST than anything else I've used so far, including the RF97A (which I had 3 of). Flat and hard. Lovin' this frame in stock form.
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thats awesome. yeah. . after seeing Thiem in action im gonna have to try this animal of a stick for myself. my big issue is that i cannot gel with the grip shape of the babolats. I like the thinner grip from bevel 3 to 6.
 
About power...
There's so much power in tennis easily available. Control is the biggest issue, not the power. How much power you can control.
Thiem is interesting because he can control much power, so he can allow himself much power, and continuously go all out.
 
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Many players on purpose limit the power of their setups to be able to be in control. So they have limit how much power they can produce with their current setups. Could they use more setups with more power? Of course they could. Would they be able to handle it? It's up to them.

So obviously Thiem switched to a more powerful setup and he obviously benefited from it. Still doesn't mean it would work for someone else. And it doesn't also mean it wouldn't work.

I'm thinking about table tennis. There's a different game logic present there in pro world. Pro players use fastest setups available, which are also the hardest ones to control. So basically they practice to get control over the fastest paddles, because if they master this (which they must) it gives them advantage, ability to produce speed and spin with least effort. What they play with is hardly controlable for amateur players. So amateur players typically use much slower setups compared to pro setups because they fare better with such.

Co-poly strings introduced control in tennis, through increased spin and less trampoline. With this control racquets like PD entered into the game. But it's easily possible it's not the end of the direction, and that we will be witnessing further introduction of power in tennis when it comes to setup power, with players more focusing on how to control it: instead of relying on setups to provide them control, they'll practice their skill to provide them control, and use setups to get the power.

Sounds impossible? Time will tell. One more analogy: yesterday I watched some badminton final matches (both men and women). I was in awe how much badminton has changed since, say, 10-15 years ago (I didn't see matches for quite a long time). Tactically nowadays it looks like a completely different sport. No more endless line-to-line bashing / defense, with occasional drop shot. Game is now completely in the field, preferred serve now is low and short. What has happened? Seems that it took many years for badminton community to learn that there exists better yet completely different tactical approach.

So I don't think it's impossible for something similar to happen to tennis as well.
 
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