Dominic Thiem tested negative for coronavirus after returning to Austria

[Deleted member 733170]

First off, those figures from Russia are heavily disputed and they've recently begun using less rigid criteria for COVID deaths.

But more importantly, that LinkedIn link you just sent me was in fact a widely shared post on social media that was fact-checked by Reuters (among others, I'm sure) to be partly false with the clear verdict that "COVID-19 is not the same as thrombosis."

Again this isn't just another ho-hum disease that be treated like any other that we know of. Until a viable vaccine becomes widely available (if at all) we need to follow the latest guidelines from the WHO, CDC and other public health organizations lest we overwhelm our medical system and force another costly shutdown of our economy. Life ain't getting back to "normal" anytime soon, whether we like it or not.

Indeed its not the same but it appears to be the main ingredient that causes death. You have to admit the linked in article was pretty on the money though. I’m sure Russia is under reporting but can you say the same of Germany? To justify the lockdowns governments were forced to sensationalise and exaggerate the situation.

We are now in the ass covering phase while we work out what the new normal is.

 

[tennis_pro]

t_p literally just said he thinks it's a hoax, and the number of people being video taped saying so without any protection would suggest otherwise

I said that I think so but I'm not sure and I wouldn't organize a global event in case I'm wrong. Stop putting words in my mouth. There are so many question marks around this "virus" that only a completely naive person would take it for granted. Check the sources yourself, collect the data and only then make up your mind (but not from the news media, they tell you EXACTLY what they want you to hear).

 

[Bender]

t_p literally just said he thinks it's a hoax

I said that I think so

Stop putting words in my mouth.

There are so many question marks around this "virus" that only a completely naive person would take it for granted.

If what you said quoted back to you almost verbatim makes you sound irrational enough for you to start angrily defending yourself from your own words, perhaps you should revisit your opinions on the matter.

 

[tennis_pro]

If what you said verbatim quoted back to you makes you sound irrational enough to start defending yourself from your own words, perhaps you should revisit your opinions on the matter.

I think that the problem is you taking 99% as certainty. There is a mountain between 98/99 and 99/100.

 

[Raiden]

To be honest, Thiem is the only player at the Adria tour who behaved somewhat responsibly (relatively speaking of course)

He didn't group hug and party all night and play football/basketball and so on and so forth. He played his tennis and went home quick.

 

[blablavla]

To be honest, Thiem is the only player at the Adria tour who behaved somewhat responsibly (relatively speaking of course)

He didn't group hug and party all night and play football/basketball and so on and so forth. He played his tennis and went home quick.

I wonder what would be his result if he would take the test after 14 or 28 days following the event.
what is the probability he had the test while the virus was in the incubation period, hence wasn't detected vs he dodged the risk?

 

[Bender]

I think that the problem is you taking 99% as certainty. There is a mountain between 98/99 and 99/100.

No, my problem is that 99/100 is a hoax to you.

Edit: sorry, you think that 99/100 is a hoax to you, in case you’re wrong about that 1/100.

 

[NonP]

Indeed its not the same but it appears to be the main ingredient that causes death. You have to admit the linked in article was pretty on the money though. I’m sure Russia is under reporting but can you say the same of Germany? To justify the lockdowns governments were forced to sensationalise and exaggerate the situation.

We are now in the ass covering phase while we work out what the new normal is.

How was the LinkedIn post "on the money" when it claimed COVID "ought to be fought with antibiotics, antivirals, anti-inflammatories and anticoagulants," which runs counter to this last part of the Reuters verdict?: "The symptoms of COVID-19 can be treated with anticoagulants and anti-inflammatories, but antibiotics are not effective against the viral infection, and are only recommended for COVID-19 patients who also have a bacterial infection." At best it was misleading, which no doubt was the intent.

Germany is pretty much the best example among the major European powers so that doesn't tell us much. And governments certainly did not seek to sensationalize the situation and in some cases (cough, cough) were guilty of the very opposite. The media, yes, but that's what they do with just about every major story. And you really think businesses would've accepted the wholesale shutdown of the economy unless absolutely necessary?

We might have avoided all that if we'd been prepared like the Asian countries/territories that had a head start due to the SARS/MERS outbreak, but that ship has sailed and we need to work with what we've got. Getting on with our lives like the virus is just another flu won't help, as we're seeing in no uncertain terms right now.

 

[President]

122k deaths of people who have died from a billion of different diseases most often cancer but who got tested for covid so that the offical cause of death is covid

dude I know a couple of doctors who told me that they get paid extra for testing a specific number of patients for covid. One guy told me that he got paid extra for changing the official cause of death from long cancer to covid. No harm done, cash is in the pocket, everyone's happy.
I know one nurse who got tested positive but she felt fine so she got tested privately and the results were negative

Why would these things happen if this was was a legit threat? These is the stuff I hear FROM THE PEOPLE I KNOW PERSONALLY

not to mention some of the hilarious articles I read like a freaking goat being tested positive or an italian guy who was healthy but got tested positive, died in a car crash and the official cause of death was covid lmao

I'm not saying that the virus doesn't exist, I'm saying that I have huge doubts that it does but I would never organize a global event these days

maybe the USO/FO know that it's a hoax and they are done with the BS

So you think that all the deaths attributed to coronavirus are from other causes? What is the motivation for this and who is perpetuating the “hoax”?

 

[Sysyphus]

So you think that all the deaths attributed to coronavirus are from other causes? What is the motivation for this and who is perpetuating the “hoax”?

As far as I have been informed, the preliminary data on general mortality numbers seem to imply that the covid death numbers are mostly underestimated many/most places. The real number of people dying of covid might well be a fair bit higher than the official numbers.

So yeah, no good reason to call this a hoax.

 

[tennis_pro]

So you think that all the deaths attributed to coronavirus are from other causes? What is the motivation for this and who is perpetuating the “hoax”?

This thread will get deleted within 15 minutes after I post again, so I ain't gonna. Look it up yourself.

 

[Deleted member 733170]

How was the LinkedIn post "on the money" when it claimed COVID "ought to be fought with antibiotics, antivirals, anti-inflammatories and anticoagulants," which runs counter to this last part of the Reuters verdict?: "The symptoms of COVID-19 can be treated with anticoagulants and anti-inflammatories, but antibiotics are not effective against the viral infection, and are only recommended for COVID-19 patients who also have a bacterial infection." At best it was misleading, which no doubt was the intent.

Germany is pretty much the best example among the major European powers so that doesn't tell us much. And governments certainly did not seek to sensationalize the situation and in some cases (cough, cough) were guilty of the very opposite. The media, yes, but that's what they do with just about every major story. And you really think businesses would've accepted the wholesale shutdown of the economy unless absolutely necessary?

We might have avoided all that if we'd been prepared like the Asian countries/territories that had a head start due to the SARS/MERS outbreak, but that ship has sailed and we need to work with what we've got. Getting on with our lives like the virus is just another flu won't help, as we're seeing in no uncertain terms right now.

It identified the thrombosis element which 6 weeks later was confirmed by the British government with the new drug regime.

 

[blablavla]

This thread will get deleted within 15 minutes after I post again, so I ain't gonna. Look it up yourself.

boom, the thread is still here

 

[Deleted member 733170]

How was the LinkedIn post "on the money" when it claimed COVID "ought to be fought with antibiotics, antivirals, anti-inflammatories and anticoagulants," which runs counter to this last part of the Reuters verdict?: "The symptoms of COVID-19 can be treated with anticoagulants and anti-inflammatories, but antibiotics are not effective against the viral infection, and are only recommended for COVID-19 patients who also have a bacterial infection." At best it was misleading, which no doubt was the intent.

Germany is pretty much the best example among the major European powers so that doesn't tell us much. And governments certainly did not seek to sensationalize the situation and in some cases (cough, cough) were guilty of the very opposite. The media, yes, but that's what they do with just about every major story. And you really think businesses would've accepted the wholesale shutdown of the economy unless absolutely necessary?

We might have avoided all that if we'd been prepared like the Asian countries/territories that had a head start due to the SARS/MERS outbreak, but that ship has sailed and we need to work with what we've got. Getting on with our lives like the virus is just another flu won't help, as we're seeing in no uncertain terms right now.

It’s been a massive exercise in propaganda ‘stay at home, save the NHS, save lives’. Making a hero of a 100 year old walking round his garden, clapping the NHS. It’s worked an absolute treat on most people so much so that other people (like you a bit!) are even doing the governments bidding for them. Some people are still wearing masks when going for walks in the countryside. It’s amazing to witness actually.

Though Sweden can be vilified for having more deaths than Denmark it’s still well within the statistical norms of a bad flu season. There is no proper debate. It’s an entirely one way narrative. Maybe it’s different in America though.

 

[NonP]

It identified the thrombosis element which 6 weeks later was confirmed by the British government with the new drug regime.

There's no "thrombosis element." From Reuters, again:

Disseminated intravascular coagulation (DIC) is a condition that causes blood clotting, or thrombosis, in patients (here). While studies have found patients with severe COVID-19 symptoms can present with coagulation abnormalities, this does not mean that COVID-19 has been misdiagnosed or incorrectly treated.(tinyurl.com/y97tgvy3)(here)

And unless you're talking about a different study we don't know exactly what the Recovery team found out because they didn't release much info to begin with. You're just reading into it what you wanna see.

It’s been a massive exercise in propaganda ‘stay at home, save the NHS, save lives’. Making a hero of a 100 year old walking round his garden, clapping the NHS. It’s worked an absolute treat on most people so much so that other people (like you a bit!) are even doing the governments bidding for them. Some people are still wearing masks when going for walks in the countryside. It’s amazing to witness actually.

Though Sweden can be vilified for having more deaths than Denmark it’s still well within the statistical norms of a bad flu season. There is no proper debate. It’s an entirely one way narrative. Maybe it’s different in America though.

As you well know the UK government under Johnson took the opposite tack at first with their "herd immunity" nonsense, and it was only after they realized the whole thing was a failure that they joined the rest of Europe (but Sweden) in lockdown mode. I see that less as "sensationalizing" the threat than as finally facing a tough reality.

Speaking of which Sweden and the UK are well outpacing their European neighbors in recent COVID deaths, well above even Belgium which still has the unenviable distinction of the highest total average from the get-go:

Coronavirus: Sweden starts to debate its public health experiment | Free to read

The Nordic country has tried to stay as open as possible but with rising deaths its policy faces growing scrutiny

www.ft.com

And Sweden is paying the price for its wishful thinking:

Sweden's 'herd immunity' hopes are fading as only a small fraction of the population has coronavirus antibodies

Sweden did not impose a strict lockdown unlike most European countries and relied on citizens to enact voluntary social distancing measures.

www.businessinsider.com

Sweden Tries Out a New Status: Pariah State (Published 2020)

Fearing the country’s lax approach to combating the coronavirus, Sweden’s Scandinavian neighbors have all closed their borders to Swedes.

www.nytimes.com

There are actually dissenting voices in the country, but mostly outside the corridors of power which is how they ended up here. To me that's a more fitting description of "entirely one way narrative" than what we've been seeing in the rest of the developed world.

 

[Deleted member 733170]

There's no "thrombosis element." From Reuters, again:



And unless you're talking about a different study we don't know exactly what the Recovery team found out because they didn't release much info to begin with. You're just reading into it what you wanna see.



As you well know the UK government under Johnson took the opposite tack at first with their "herd immunity" nonsense, and it was only after they realized the whole thing was a failure that they joined the rest of Europe (but Sweden) in lockdown mode. I see that less as "sensationalizing" the threat than as finally facing a tough reality.

Speaking of which Sweden and the UK are well outpacing their European neighbors in recent COVID deaths, well above even Belgium which still has the unenviable distinction of the highest total average from the get-go:

Coronavirus: Sweden starts to debate its public health experiment | Free to read

The Nordic country has tried to stay as open as possible but with rising deaths its policy faces growing scrutiny

www.ft.com

And Sweden is paying the price for its wishful thinking:

Sweden's 'herd immunity' hopes are fading as only a small fraction of the population has coronavirus antibodies

Sweden did not impose a strict lockdown unlike most European countries and relied on citizens to enact voluntary social distancing measures.

www.businessinsider.com

Sweden Tries Out a New Status: Pariah State (Published 2020)

Fearing the country’s lax approach to combating the coronavirus, Sweden’s Scandinavian neighbors have all closed their borders to Swedes.

www.nytimes.com

There are actually dissenting voices in the country, but mostly outside the corridors of power which is how they ended up here. To me that's a more fitting description of "entirely one way narrative" than what we've been seeing in the rest of the developed world.

So even before the lockdown started a guy aged 43, 22 months into a MND diagnosis catches Covid and its scratched up as a Covid death. That should tell you all you need to know about how agendas are spun to serve a purpose.

 

[NonP]

So even before the lockdown started a guy aged 43, 22 months into a MND diagnosis catches Covid and its scratched up as a Covid death. That should tell you all you need to know about how agendas are spun to serve a purpose.

Even if we grant that these comorbidities account for a sizable % of the total COVID deaths everything I've read indicates that the opposite is more likely, that the actual toll is in fact undercounted due to lack of testing, false negatives, etc. Since I've already talked about Russia let's turn our attention to Brazil which is set to surpass the US by August or so:

Brazilians flock to beach as WHO says country undercounting coronavirus surge

Brazil reached more than a million confirmed coronavirus cases and 50,000 deaths over the weekend as throngs of people swarmed Rio de Janeiro beaches, but the World Health Organization said on Monday that even more cases were likely going uncounted.

www.reuters.com

And that's barely scratching the surface. The "purpose" here is to save lives, and while we can debate whether the current restrictions make sense there's no doubt that this virus kills more people and spreads faster than your everyday flu. The latter is the truly dangerous part, which is why even healthy younger people like Novak should be careful even though he and his family themselves may be safe from the worst effects of the disease.

 

[Deleted member 733170]

Even if we grant that these comorbidities account for a sizable % of the total COVID deaths everything I've read indicates that the opposite is more likely, that the actual toll is in fact undercounted due to lack of testing, false negatives, etc. Since I've already talked about Russia let's turn our attention to Brazil which is set to surpass the US by August or so:

Brazilians flock to beach as WHO says country undercounting coronavirus surge

Brazil reached more than a million confirmed coronavirus cases and 50,000 deaths over the weekend as throngs of people swarmed Rio de Janeiro beaches, but the World Health Organization said on Monday that even more cases were likely going uncounted.

www.reuters.com

And that's barely scratching the surface. The "purpose" here is to save lives, and while we can debate whether the current restrictions make sense there's no doubt that this virus kills more people and spreads faster than your everyday flu. The latter is the truly dangerous part, which is why even healthy younger people like Novak should be careful even though he and his family themselves may be safe from the worst effects of the disease.

I broadly agree. It appears to be between 1.2-1.5x worse than a bad flu at this stage in its evolution. The demographic bulge in countries like Brazil will mean a breakdown in the correlation between infections and deaths we have seen in Italy or the US. In fact they reckon that 1 in 7 Londoners have had the illness as most of them had it before the lockdown and there were 15,000 death or a death rate of under 1% with again most of the victims being elderly with comorbidities present.

 

[NonP]

I broadly agree. It appears to be between 1.2-1.5x worse than a bad flu at this stage in its evolution. The demographic bulge in countries like Brazil will mean a breakdown in the correlation between infections and deaths we have seen in Italy or the US. In fact they reckon that 1 in 7 Londoners have had the illness as most of them had it before the lockdown and there were 15,000 death or a death rate of under 1% with again most of the victims being elderly with comorbidities present.

I think you're still underestimating the threat but let me just end with this. Me, barring a huge wave I no longer support lockdowns 'cause it's clear people need to get out sometimes. But I do expect everyone to stay 6 feet apart, wear masks except within bubbles, and wash hands frequently. And employers should allow if not mandate remote work wherever possible. Oh yeah, and everyone should get the vaccine when it becomes available. To me these are more important than bickering over the exact nature of the virus.

 

[Deleted member 733170]

I think you're still underestimating the threat but let me just end with this. Me, barring a huge wave I no longer support lockdowns 'cause it's clear people need to get out sometimes. But I do expect everyone to stay 6 feet apart, wear masks except within bubbles, and wash hands frequently. And employers should allow if not mandate remote work wherever possible. Oh yeah, and everyone should get the vaccine when it becomes available. To me these are more important than bickering over the exact nature of the virus.

Are you going to take away all my fun by being too level headed ?

 

[NonP]

Are you going to take away all my fun by being too level headed ?

As long as we're not hashing out Sampras vs. Federer.

 

[rhoder]

Whew I need Thiem to at least give Nadal a challenge at FO

 

[Federev]

not to mention some of the hilarious articles I read like a freaking goat being tested positive

Federer was NOT TESTED.

Stop spreading that.

 

[tennis_pro]

It context though. 3m people die very year in America and the average age of Covid deaths is 80? with victims suffering from severe co-morbidities.

dude have you noticed that since march people have magically stopped dying from other diseases? it's all covid related one way or another
- you got brain cancer and a month to live -> get tested -> positive -> officical cause of death = covid
- you got a regular freaking flu -> definitely covid
- you coughed -> covid
- you sneezed -> covid
- you slept for 5 hours instead of 8 and feel a little jaded -> get tested man it's definitely covid
- you're perfectly healthy but got tested for covid to make sure -> results are positive-> you got covid

like suddenly there's no leukemia, brain cancer, pancreatic cancer etc. that people have been dying from for centuries, they all freaking dissapeared, it's all covid man

 

[Gazelle]

As far as I have been informed, the preliminary data on general mortality numbers seem to imply that the covid death numbers are mostly underestimated many/most places. The real number of people dying of covid might well be a fair bit higher than the official numbers.

So yeah, no good reason to call this a hoax.

Deaths are heavily underestimated. Here in Belgium we count deaths from both in the hospitals as the retirement homes. Which is why Belgium had such a high covid mortality number relative to its population.

Most countries only count deaths from hospitals.

Well, during the peak in Belgium, 2/3 from deaths came from retirement homes. So countries only counting hospital deaths risk only counting 1/3 of total mortalities.

 

[jm1980]

Most countries only count deaths from hospitals.

Source for this claim?

 

[ghostofMecir]

Where’s OP @ABCD

 

[Third Serve]

Yeah, I know that's just the US. I said 122K because I'm assuming t_p is from the states, because how many other countries out there speak English and insist the pandemic is a hoax?

Apparently, it seems as if one other country exists.

1 In 5 Adults In England Think The Coronavirus Is A Hoax

Oxford research has found conspiracy theories about the virus gaining ground.

www.npr.org

 

[Bender]

Apparently, it seems as if one other country exists.

1 In 5 Adults In England Think The Coronavirus Is A Hoax

Oxford research has found conspiracy theories about the virus gaining ground.

www.npr.org

Yeah, I do know a few English people who think along those lines. Most of them are in the age groups that are most likely to die from the virus, too.

Perhaps we should just let this virus take its toll and let natural selection do its thing because that's where this pandemic is heading anyway.

 

[jm1980]

Yeah, I know that's just the US. I said 122K because I'm assuming t_p is from the states, because how many other countries out there speak English and insist the pandemic is a hoax?

I'm pretty sure t_p is European, possibly German or Austrian

 

[Third Serve]

Yeah, I do know a few English people who think along those lines. Most of them are in the age groups that are most likely to die from the virus, too.

Perhaps we should just let this virus take its toll and let natural selection do its thing because that's where this pandemic is heading anyway.

There will be much handing out of the Darwin Awards in these demanding times.

 

[Third Serve]

This thread will get deleted within 15 minutes after I post again, so I ain't gonna. Look it up yourself.

The thread is still open. As an interested observer, could you point me to those sources? Or at least tell me what I'm supposed to be looking for?

 

[octogon]

What is wrong with Thiem? Why is he still flying around Europe competing in other exhos? He should be at home self isolating because of all the contact he had with people who tested positive. Even if he is testing negative now, the virus could be in an incubation period with him so he could be getting false negatives.

Tennis players really are as dumb as a box of rocks

 

[Bender]

The thread is still open. As an interested observer, could you point me to those sources? Or at least tell me what I'm supposed to be looking for?

 

[jm1980]

What is wrong with Thiem? Why is he still flying around Europe competing in other exhos? He should be at home self isolating because of all the contact he had with people who tested positive. Even if he is testing negative now, the virus could be in an incubation period with him so he could be getting false negatives.

Tennis players really are as dumb as a box of rocks?

The tests rely on there being enough genetic material from the virus for detection. If he's not even testing positive then it's unlikely that he's infectious even if he's contracted it. You need to be exposed to a high enough viral load to be infected

PS: Djokovic would be an example of someone possibly in the incubation period, since he's not showing symptoms. But his test still came back positive

PPS: if you stop people from playing even if they test negative, just because they had contact with an infected person, then any positive result in a tournament would instantly kill it. Let's not do that, eh?

 

[Gary Duane]

Germany is pretty much the best example among the major European powers so that doesn't tell us much. And governments certainly did not seek to sensationalize the situation and in some cases (cough, cough) were guilty of the very opposite. The media, yes, but that's what they do with just about every major story. And you really think businesses would've accepted the wholesale shutdown of the economy unless absolutely necessary?

If the media formed 100% of the story, what we get would be horribly distorted, and it is. There is no money in good news. Bad news sells. People don't rubber-neck to watch petty scenery. They do it to look at horrible accidents.

But the people who are running things always have a vested interest in covering up bad news. So you have the media on one hand, blowing everything out of proportion, and leaders on the other, hiding as much as possible. Believe it or not those two opposite forces often result in a fair picture once you weigh both extremes.

Without our aggressive press Trump would cover up the numbers just like they've been covered up in China.

Coronavirus Update (Live): 130,313,463 Cases and 2,842,621 Deaths from COVID-19 Virus Pandemic - Worldometer

Live statistics and coronavirus news tracking the number of confirmed cases, recovered patients, tests, and death toll due to the COVID-19 coronavirus from Wuhan, China. Coronavirus counter with new cases, deaths, and number of tests per 1 Million population. Historical data and info. Daily...

www.worldometers.info

China, 3 d/m (deaths per million).

This only proves that China has the most lockdown political system in the nations who are huge powers. The media has little power to unveil anything there. That's what you get when you silence the media.

We've seen in my area what happens with lockdown, what happens when you wait too long to do it, and what happens when you lift it too soon. It's been a disaster. Anyone with a few working brain cells knew this would happen. Now we have lost months of progress and we are in a 2nd wave.

We might have avoided all that if we'd been prepared like the Asian countries/territories that had a head start due to the SARS/MERS outbreak, but that ship has sailed and we need to work with what we've got. Getting on with our lives like the virus is just another flu won't help, as we're seeing in no uncertain terms right now.
[/QUOTE]

 

[jm1980]

If the media formed 100% of the story, what we get would be horribly distorted, and it is. There is no money in good news. Bad news sells. People don't rubber-neck to watch petty scenery. They do it to look at horrible accidents.

But the people who are running things always have a vested interest in covering up bad news. So you have the media on one hand, blowing everything out of proportion, and leaders on the other, hiding as much as possible. Believe it or not those two opposite forces often result in a fair picture once you weigh both extremes.

Without our aggressive press Trump would cover up the numbers just like they've been covered up in China.

Coronavirus Update (Live): 130,313,463 Cases and 2,842,621 Deaths from COVID-19 Virus Pandemic - Worldometer

Live statistics and coronavirus news tracking the number of confirmed cases, recovered patients, tests, and death toll due to the COVID-19 coronavirus from Wuhan, China. Coronavirus counter with new cases, deaths, and number of tests per 1 Million population. Historical data and info. Daily...

www.worldometers.info

China, 3 d/m (deaths per million).

This only proves that China has the most lockdown political system in the nations who are huge powers. The media has little power to unveil anything there. That's what you get when you silence the media.

We've seen in my area what happens with lockdown, what happens when you wait too long to do it, and what happens when you lift it too soon. It's been a disaster. Anyone with a few working brain cells knew this would happen. Now we have lost months of progress and we are in a 2nd wave.

We might have avoided all that if we'd been prepared like the Asian countries/territories that had a head start due to the SARS/MERS outbreak, but that ship has sailed and we need to work with what we've got. Getting on with our lives like the virus is just another flu won't help, as we're seeing in no uncertain terms right now.

Aren't the Chinese numbers very much in line with those of its neighbors? What makes you believe they have been covered up?

 

[Meles]

Aren't the Chinese numbers very much in line with those of its neighbors? What makes you believe they have been covered up?

Asia's had pandemic scares before and consequently are well prepared. US and Europe never got the scare and have not had the political will to be prepared which has changed now. basically Europe and USA caught with our pants down. We can attach all sorts of motives to the Chinese but the bottom line is we failed versus Asia pure and simple. if it wasn't someone who rhymes with chump it would've been another chump holding the bag.

 

[Meles]

What is wrong with Thiem? Why is he still flying around Europe competing in other exhos? He should be at home self isolating because of all the contact he had with people who tested positive. Even if he is testing negative now, the virus could be in an incubation period with him so he could be getting false negatives.

Tennis players really are as dumb as a box of rocks?

If You can afford to be tested every day then why bother isolating?

 

[Gary Duane]

Aren't the Chinese numbers very much in line with those of its neighbors? What makes you believe they have been covered up?

The Chines numbers are not inline with anything sane because while they were incredibly hard hit in Wutan, and that's just what we know, they have remained at 3 deaths per/million for months.

According to here:

China COVID - Coronavirus Statistics - Worldometer

China Coronavirus update with statistics and graphs: total and new cases, deaths per day, mortality and recovery rates, current active cases, recoveries, trends and timeline.

www.worldometers.info

They have not had a single death since April 28th. That's in almost 2 months.

There were three deaths in my county today. We have 2 million people. We are currently at 193 d/m.

China is lying. It's what China does.

 

[Gary Duane]

Asia's had pandemic scares before and consequently are well prepared. US and Europe never got the scare and have not had the political will to be prepared which has changed now. basically Europe and USA caught with our pants down. We can attach all sorts of motives to the Chinese but the bottom line is we failed versus Asia pure and simple. if it wasn't someone who rhymes with chump it would've been another chump holding the bag.

Trust places like Singapore, and Taiwan. Their response has been uniformly intelligent. Don't lump China in with other Asian countries that don't have the same kind of iron control over news.

As for Asia handling this better:

Chen Chien-jen - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

They have an epidemiologist at a high level.

The US has Mike Pence.

Nuff said?

 

[Meles]

Source for this claim?

Don't know about most, but Cuomo's counts wildly different from worldometer for the state of New York. Ibelieve they only counted 100% confirmed. Sounds fishy on the surface , but I think the data monitored was very consistent which made for perhaps better modeling graphs and a view of what had come and might be coming.

 

[Bartelby]

The medical profession is not as stupid as common people may think it is. They know the problem perfectly well and account for it in their figures.

But to be perfectly simple. Whatever pre-existing condition you may have if you die while suffering either from severe covid or the flu symptoms then you are probably rightly counted as a covid or flu death.

dude have you noticed that since march people have magically stopped dying from other diseases? it's all covid related one way or another
- you got brain cancer and a month to live -> get tested -> positive -> officical cause of death = covid
- you got a regular freaking flu -> definitely covid
- you coughed -> covid
- you sneezed -> covid
- you slept for 5 hours instead of 8 and feel a little jaded -> get tested man it's definitely covid
- you're perfectly healthy but got tested for covid to make sure -> results are positive-> you got covid

like suddenly there's no leukemia, brain cancer, pancreatic cancer etc. that people have been dying from for centuries, they all freaking dissapeared, it's all covid man

 

[NonP]

If the media formed 100% of the story, what we get would be horribly distorted, and it is. There is no money in good news. Bad news sells. People don't rubber-neck to watch petty scenery. They do it to look at horrible accidents.

But the people who are running things always have a vested interest in covering up bad news. So you have the media on one hand, blowing everything out of proportion, and leaders on the other, hiding as much as possible. Believe it or not those two opposite forces often result in a fair picture once you weigh both extremes.

Without our aggressive press Trump would cover up the numbers just like they've been covered up in China.

Coronavirus Update (Live): 130,313,463 Cases and 2,842,621 Deaths from COVID-19 Virus Pandemic - Worldometer

Live statistics and coronavirus news tracking the number of confirmed cases, recovered patients, tests, and death toll due to the COVID-19 coronavirus from Wuhan, China. Coronavirus counter with new cases, deaths, and number of tests per 1 Million population. Historical data and info. Daily...

www.worldometers.info

China, 3 d/m (deaths per million).

This only proves that China has the most lockdown political system in the nations who are huge powers. The media has little power to unveil anything there. That's what you get when you silence the media.

We've seen in my area what happens with lockdown, what happens when you wait too long to do it, and what happens when you lift it too soon. It's been a disaster. Anyone with a few working brain cells knew this would happen. Now we have lost months of progress and we are in a 2nd wave.

Hey don't sell the corporate media short! Just about every 11 pm news broadcast ends with a feel-good story.

And you certainly don't need anyone to remind you of the heroism of Rebekah Jones, the GIS manager who resigned from her position at the FL Department of Health after refusing to sugarcoat the latest data and is now doing her own publishing. No doubt government at all levels regardless of who's in charge would play with the numbers to some extent, but alas your governor happens to be a die-hard Trump supporter and you're absolutely right that our current situation would be far worse without our aggressive (and admittedly anti-Trump) media.

The Chines numbers are not inline with anything sane because while they were incredibly hard hit in Wutan, and that's just what we know, they have remained at 3 deaths per/million for months.

According to here:

China COVID - Coronavirus Statistics - Worldometer

China Coronavirus update with statistics and graphs: total and new cases, deaths per day, mortality and recovery rates, current active cases, recoveries, trends and timeline.

www.worldometers.info

They have not had a single death since April 28th. That's in almost 2 months.

There were three deaths in my county today. We have 2 million people. We are currently at 193 d/m.

China is lying. It's what China does.

And North Korea is still reporting zero cases, which is an absolute farce. Guess you need at least one dictatorship to make China look better in comparison. Too bad it happens to be arguably the most frightening totalitarian regime in history.

 

[Meles]

Trust places like Singapore, and Taiwan. Their response has been uniformly intelligent. Don't lump China in with other Asian countries that don't have the same kind of iron control over news.

As for Asia handling this better:

Chen Chien-jen - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

They have an epidemiologist at a high level.

The US has Mike Pence.

Nuff said?

Say no more.

 

[Gary Duane]

The medical profession is not as stupid as common people may think it is. They know the problem perfectly well and account for it in their figures.

But to be perfectly simple. Whatever pre-existing condition you may have if you die while suffering either from severe covid or the flu symptoms then you are probably rightly counted as a covid or flu death.

Simple facts:

You can check records from previous years for weeks and months. Checking months is very clear. If way more people die in the same month as previous years, something odd is going on, and those deaths are called "excess deaths".

Right now if there are a ton of excess deaths anywhere in the world, the changes of it being Covid are pretty much 100%.

 

[Bartelby]

China may indeed by lying, but to compare its situation to America makes no sense.

No deaths in two months doesn't stretch credulity all that much. It was pretty much the situation here until one person died yesterday.

The Chines numbers are not inline with anything sane because while they were incredibly hard hit in Wutan, and that's just what we know, they have remained at 3 deaths per/million for months.

According to here:

China COVID - Coronavirus Statistics - Worldometer

China Coronavirus update with statistics and graphs: total and new cases, deaths per day, mortality and recovery rates, current active cases, recoveries, trends and timeline.

www.worldometers.info

They have not had a single death since April 28th. That's in almost 2 months.

There were three deaths in my county today. We have 2 million people. We are currently at 193 d/m.

China is lying. It's what China does.

 

[Bartelby]

The excess deaths figure is sometimes used in the media, and then it often just disappears in favour of the numbers.

Governments where there are real problems don't seem to like the excess deaths figure, and merely refer to a raw trend line as this is now going down.

Simple facts:

You can check records from previous years for weeks and months. Checking months is very clear. If way more people die in the same month as previous years, something odd is going on, and those deaths are called "excess deaths".

Right now if there are a ton of excess deaths anywhere in the world, the changes of it being Covid are pretty much 100%.

 

[Gary Duane]

Hey don't sell the corporate media short! Just about every 11 pm news broadcast ends with a feel-good story.

And you certainly don't need anyone to remind you of the heroism of Rebekah Jones, the GIS manager who resigned from her position at the FL Department of Health after refusing to sugarcoat the latest data and is now doing her own publishing. No doubt government at all levels regardless of who's in charge would play with the numbers to some extent, but alas your governor happens to be a die-hard Trump supporter and you're absolutely right that our current situation would be far worse without our aggressive (and admittedly anti-Trump) media.

I was onto this faster than almost anyone I know. I discovered this site early on:

Experience

experience.arcgis.com

I saw the way things were done, and it was excellent. Almost everyday it was improved. The stats were first rate. A short while before she was fired the data was improved form the last month to the onset of the virus. That's how I finally got the history right. She was so painstaking that each day all the new data was carefully transferred to the correct dates, and then you could see exactly when people died rather then just the date someone got the newest numbers, always as much as 3 weeks old.

I saw something was up when charts were cut to only 30 days. Data started disappearing.

Her is her new site. She is FL's worst nightmare. She's a hero of mine.

And North Korea is still reporting zero cases, which is an absolute farce. Guess you need at least one dictatorship to make China look better in comparison. Too bad it happens to be arguably the most frightening totalitarian regime in history.

Exactly. Anywhere in which the leaders can suppress information, deaths and cases are low. Hmm - I wonder why that is?

 

[jm1980]

The Chines numbers are not inline with anything sane because while they were incredibly hard hit in Wutan, and that's just what we know, they have remained at 3 deaths per/million for months.

According to here:

China COVID - Coronavirus Statistics - Worldometer

China Coronavirus update with statistics and graphs: total and new cases, deaths per day, mortality and recovery rates, current active cases, recoveries, trends and timeline.

www.worldometers.info

They have not had a single death since April 28th. That's in almost 2 months.

There were three deaths in my county today. We have 2 million people. We are currently at 193 d/m.

China is lying. It's what China does.

Trust places like Singapore, and Taiwan. Their response has been uniformly intelligent. Don't lump China in with other Asian countries that don't have the same kind of iron control over news.

As for Asia handling this better:

Chen Chien-jen - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

They have an epidemiologist at a high level.

The US has Mike Pence.

Nuff said?

I mean, you questioned China's 3 deaths per million people. Taiwan is at 0.3 deaths per million, Singapore is at 4. It's also in line with countries like S. Korea (5), Japan (8), Malaysia (4)

So the figure of 3 deaths per million people isn't suspicious in an of itself.