Dominic Thiem, what if?

[kangaroo1973]

Dominic Thiem is at the end of his great career.
Unlike overhyped Zed, Tsitsi , Shapovalov or Auger he has managed to compete against big 3.
Having beaten Djokovic couple of times at slams and pushing still decent Novak to the limit 4 years ago at his pet slam.
Beating Nadal several times on clay and few grand slam matches were on an extraordinarily high level -2018 USO and 2020 AO.
I think that he could have had Wawrinka like career who would have delivered at slams, but underachieve at BO3- his masters level record is ehhh. Except WTF, where his battles against Novak are legendary imo. Brutal power vs incredible defence, great matches which I can highly recommend. I am kinda sad he lost 2020 WTF to Medvedev, Thiem should have snatched that one

Well do you think, that healthy Thiem would have won more slams and had Wawrinka-esque like career and pose a threat to Sinner Alcaraz duo?
Because as of now, there is literally noone on the tour who can pose a significant challenge to Sinner and Alcaraz. And I think Zoning Thiem would have been capable of that

 

[Aabye5]

Dominic Thiem is at the end of his great career.
Unlike overhyped Zed, Tsitsi , Shapovalov or Auger he has managed to compete against big 3.
Having beaten Djokovic couple of times at slams and pushing still decent Novaxx to the limit 4 years ago at his pet slam.
Beating Nadal several times on clay and few grand slam matches were on an extraordinarily high level -2018 USO and 2020 AO.
I think that he could have had Wawrinka like career who would have delivered at slams, but underachieve at BO3- his masters level record is ehhh. Except WTF, where his battles against Novak are legendary imo. Brutal power vs incredible defence, great matches which I can highly recommend. I am kinda sad he lost 2020 WTF to Medvedev, Thiem should have snatched that one

Well do you think, that healthy Thiem would have won more slams and had Wawrinka-esque like career and pose a threat to Sinner Alcaraz duo?
Because as of now, there is literally noone on the tour who can pose a significant challenge to Sinner and Alcaraz. And I think Zoning Thiem would have been capable of that

I think Thiem's game was very fitness based. Even if he was healthy, I think he would have started to peter out about now.

A younger Thiem could have challenged them. But that's probably true of a lot of players.

 

[kangaroo1973]

I think Thiem's game was very fitness based. Even if he was healthy, I think he would have started to peter out about now.

A younger Thiem could have challenged them. But that's probably true of a lot of players.

I think 2017-2020 would be capable of that

 

[Aabye5]

I think 2017-2020 would be capable of that

Not sure what you mean. Wasn't Thiem healthy during that period?

 

[Mustard]

2017-2020 Thiem in today's tennis would be interesting.

 

[kangaroo1973]

Not sure what you mean. Wasn't Thiem healthy during that period?

2017-2020 was Thiems prime

 

[Aabye5]

2017-2020 was Thiems prime

Ah. Yes, younger Thiem could probably give them a run for their money.

And actually FAA has competed against the old Big 3 as well.

 

[kangaroo1973]

Ah. Yes, younger Thiem could probably give them a run for their money.

And actually FAA has competed against the old Big 3 as well.

Yeah but poorly.

 

[austintennis2005]

Dominic Thiem is at the end of his great career.
Unlike overhyped Zed, Tsitsi , Shapovalov or Auger he has managed to compete against big 3.
Having beaten Djokovic couple of times at slams and pushing still decent Novak to the limit 4 years ago at his pet slam.
Beating Nadal several times on clay and few grand slam matches were on an extraordinarily high level -2018 USO and 2020 AO.
I think that he could have had Wawrinka like career who would have delivered at slams, but underachieve at BO3- his masters level record is ehhh. Except WTF, where his battles against Novak are legendary imo. Brutal power vs incredible defence, great matches which I can highly recommend. I am kinda sad he lost 2020 WTF to Medvedev, Thiem should have snatched that one

Well do you think, that healthy Thiem would have won more slams and had Wawrinka-esque like career and pose a threat to Sinner Alcaraz duo?
Because as of now, there is literally noone on the tour who can pose a significant challenge to Sinner and Alcaraz. And I think Zoning Thiem would have been capable of that

You say Novak was “still decent” in 2020 like he hasn’t been ‘decent’ after that? Lol

 

[kangaroo1973]

You say Novak was “still decent” in 2020 like he hasn’t been ‘decent’ after that? Lol

For his lofty 2011-2016 standarts .

 

[austintennis2005]

For his lofty 2011-2016 standarts .

In 2021 and 2023 he won 3 majors and in the final of the 4th, seems decent by most any standards

 

[nolefam_2024]

Thiem age between 2017 to 2020 - 24 to 27.
Zverev age between 2017 to 2020 - 20 to 23.
Shapo age between 2017 to 2020 - 18 to 21.
Tsitsi age between 2017 to 2020 - 19 to 22.

Who is more overrated

Right place right time Clay courter Thiem or the other 4?
Dude got to play weakest years in tennis and still had absolutely nothing to show for it. If not for covid, he would retire slamless.

 

[nolefam_2024]

A 37.8 year old Fed was going toe to toe vs peak Thiem in Madrid. Held matchpoints.

 

[Aabye5]

Thiem age between 2017 to 2020 - 24 to 27.
Zverev age between 2017 to 2020 - 20 to 23.
Shapo age between 2017 to 2020 - 18 to 21.
Tsitsi age between 2017 to 2020 - 19 to 22.

Who is more overrated

Right place right time Clay courter Thiem or the other 4?
Dude got to play weakest years in tennis and still had absolutely nothing to show for it. If not for covid, he would retire slamless.

That version of Zverev was probably the best version. Same with Tsitsipas. I think those versions would beat the current versions.

 

[kangaroo1973]

A 37.8 year old Fed was going toe to toe vs peak Thiem in Madrid. Held matchpoints.

Yeah. But he beat Djokovic in 2019 and 2020 and Nadal

 

[nolefam_2024]

That version of Zverev was probably the best version. Same with Tsitsipas. I think those versions would beat the current versions.

Zverev best year was in 2021 and even this year he has played far better than 2019.

Let's talk stats, let's not get opinion out of nowhere.

Zverev holds and breaks
2017 85 + 23 = 108
2018 82.6 + 27.8 = 110.4
2019 79.9 + 25.7 = 105.4
2020 82.8 + 27 = 109.8

Now
2021 86.1 + 27.5 = 113.6
2024 89.3 + 22.3 = 111.6

None of the years Zverev in the past was as good as he was post 2020. And he has become far better player in BO5 now than at mere age of 20 like in 2017.

 

[Lleytonstation]

2017-2020 Thiem in today's tennis would be interesting.

Very. Easily top 3 with a shot at number 2.

 

[accidental]

In the end he was very lucky to win the one slam he did win

 

[nolefam_2024]

In the end he was very lucky to win the one slam he did win

And that's probably what is needed to win slams in almost any era. Slams should not be easy. Andy Murray who is almost an ATG career only won 3.

 

[Aabye5]

Zverev best year was in 2021 and even this year he has played far better than 2019.

Let's talk stats, let's not get opinion out of nowhere.

Zverev holds and breaks
2017 85 + 23 = 108
2018 82.6 + 27.8 = 110.4
2019 79.9 + 25.7 = 105.4
2020 82.8 + 27 = 109.8

Now
2021 86.1 + 27.5 = 113.6
2024 89.3 + 22.3 = 111.6

None of the years Zverev in the past was as good as he was post 2020. And he has become far better player in BO5 now than at mere age of 20 like in 2017.

In Bo5, I'll grant you he's improved in terms of consistency. Still, his stats from year to year haven't changed that much. Zed's won roughly 84% of his service games from the start of his career.

Spoiler: 2017 stats

Spoiler: 2018 stats

Spoiler: 2019 stats

Spoiler: 2020 stats

Spoiler: 2021 stats

Spoiler: 2022 stats

Spoiler: 2023 stats

Spoiler: 2024 stats

 

[nolefam_2024]

In Bo5, I'll grant you he's improved in terms of consistency. Still, his stats from year to year haven't changed that much. Zed's won roughly 84% of his service games from the start of his career.

Spoiler: 2017 stats

Spoiler: 2018 stats

Spoiler: 2019 stats

Spoiler: 2020 stats

Spoiler: 2021 stats

Spoiler: 2022 stats

Spoiler: 2023 stats

Spoiler: 2024 stats

I have given all the stats that matter to me. Those are included in yours as well proving Zverev best years are in 2021/24. He didn't have Fed or even Nadal to play in these years. So he can't do what Thiem did then.

 

[Aabye5]

I have given all the stats that matter to me. Those are included in yours as well proving Zverev best years are in 2021/24. He didn't have Fed or even Nadal to play in these years. So he can't do what Thiem did then.

For much of 2022 - 2023, he was recovering from a huge injury. He had wins over Fed and Djokovic in 2018, and won 5 titles in 2017 and 4 in 2018. Only 2021 was a better year.

 

[nolefam_2024]

For much of 2022 - 2023, he was recovering from a huge injury. He had wins over Fed and Djokovic in 2018, and won 5 titles in 2017 and 4 in 2018. Only 2021 was a better year.

2024 he thrashed alcaraz who was my co favorite for AO. I won't worry about 2024.

 

[Aabye5]

2024 he thrashed alcaraz who was my co favorite for AO. I won't worry about 2024.

And he made it back to his second final. But for the 2021 - 2024 range, I wouldn't say it was overall better.

 

[nolefam_2024]

And he made it back to his second final. But for the 2021 - 2024 range, I wouldn't say it was overall better.

Yes range it's not better. I would even say his 2022 first half was not better. It was just rg where he looked like a champion. 2023 was atrocious but it was due to serious injury. But level wise he has gone up since 2021

 

[Aabye5]

Yes range it's not better. I would even say his 2022 first half was not better. It was just rg where he looked like a champion. 2023 was atrocious but it was due to serious injury. But level wise he has gone up since 2021

He's gone up...and then down...and then up.

 

[jackson vile]

Woulda Shoulda Coulda

 

[adil1972]

A new term Next Genetation 4

NG4 = Sinner, Alcaraz, Zever & Med

Borrow from Star Trek The Next Generation

 

[SonnyT]

Dominic Thiem is at the end of his great career.
Unlike overhyped Zed, Tsitsi , Shapovalov or Auger he has managed to compete against big 3.
Having beaten Djokovic couple of times at slams and pushing still decent Novak to the limit 4 years ago at his pet slam.
Beating Nadal several times on clay and few grand slam matches were on an extraordinarily high level -2018 USO and 2020 AO.
I think that he could have had Wawrinka like career who would have delivered at slams, but underachieve at BO3- his masters level record is ehhh. Except WTF, where his battles against Novak are legendary imo. Brutal power vs incredible defence, great matches which I can highly recommend. I am kinda sad he lost 2020 WTF to Medvedev, Thiem should have snatched that one

Well do you think, that healthy Thiem would have won more slams and had Wawrinka-esque like career and pose a threat to Sinner Alcaraz duo?
Because as of now, there is literally noone on the tour who can pose a significant challenge to Sinner and Alcaraz. And I think Zoning Thiem would have been capable of that

Thiem had a helluva career! But he was not as good as Nadal on clay, nor as good as Djokovic on HC!

 

[Tennfan123]

Thiem fell off in late 20s
That’s normal

 

[kangaroo1973]

Thiem fell off in late 20s
That’s normal

Yeah. That wrist injury was devastating