Dominic Thiem will miss in 2020 Tokyo Olympics

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If someone told me a player skipped the Olympics to play a 250 on clay my guess would've been Thiem, no hesitation whatsoever.


I don't get it. The Olympics should be held in some of the highest regard IMO just under Slams. You really only get a few chances to win a gold in you entire career which makes them that much more special IMO. That and you are doing it for your country. It seems like the branding alone would make it a must attend event and that not with out a good reason could damage your brand. Passing it up to play a 250 for a 100k champion prize or whatever just makes no sense. It's almost like an FU.
 

WhiskeyEE

G.O.A.T.
Well, that's 1 less medal prospect for Austria in 2020. What a patriot he is.......................not!

At least he's honest and says he just dgaf. Unlike Raonic who lies to his country about why he refuses to represent them while waving the Canadian flag in his facebook cover photo.
 
I don't get it. The Olympics should be held in some of the highest regard IMO just under Slams. You really only get a few chances to win a gold in you entire career which makes them that much more special IMO. That and you are doing it for your country. It seems like the branding alone would make it a must attend event and that not with out a good reason could damage your brand. Passing it up to play a 250 for a 100k champion prize or whatever just makes no sense. It's almost like an FU.

From a practical perspective it makes a lot of sense.

He will treat the home tournament like an opportunity to maintain his form, while earning easy points and cash while the others will be dealing with the nightmare called Olympic village, travel, official ceremonies, acclimatisation, and potential bad results in the early stages.

He earns almost nothing in terms of legacy too, unless he wins the whole thing.

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tacou

G.O.A.T.
I don't get it. The Olympics should be held in some of the highest regard IMO just under Slams. You really only get a few chances to win a gold in you entire career which makes them that much more special IMO. That and you are doing it for your country. It seems like the branding alone would make it a must attend event and that not with out a good reason could damage your brand. Passing it up to play a 250 for a 100k champion prize or whatever just makes no sense. It's almost like an FU.
I personally agree with you, but Thiem doesn’t care about the Olympics, so his call.
 

Mainad

Bionic Poster
From a practical perspective it makes a lot of sense.

He will treat the home tournament like an opportunity to maintain his form, while earning easy points and cash while the others will be dealing with the nightmare called Olympic village, travel, official ceremonies, acclimatisation, and potential bad results in the early stages.

In other words, much like any other tournament except for the Olympic village which he isn't required to live in.

He earns almost nothing in terms of legacy too, unless he wins the whole thing.

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Again, much like any other tournament.
 

Mechaniik

New User
I personally agree with you, but Thiem doesn’t care about the Olympics, so his call.

I think it probably has a lot to do with the fact that it is the Austrian Open which an Austrian hasn't won for 25 years, in spite of having three finalists in that time (Melzer, Thiem and Muster). Because of that, it's a tournament which Thiem really wants to win; certainly, the lack of native-born winners has been a topic of discussion in Austrian sports media.
 
In other words, much like any other tournament except for the Olympic village which he isn't required to live in.

I don't think that too many tournaments from the tennis calendar have special ceremonies for which they are preparing for days, including the actual ceremony lasting for hours on end.

I also don't think that there are many tournaments, where in the middle of a certain series a player has to fly to the other side of the planet for one tournament, before returning back to his routine schedule.

While it is true that one can choose to not live in the OV, I would imagine that that would come at his own expense, and also in a foreign culture like Japan that could also lead to unnecessary stress. Federer chose to live outside the OV most of the time, but he also spoke about the unsettling atmosphere of the OV.

Again, much like any other tournament.

Not really. There is that minor detail that most tournaments considered important are mandatory, so it is not even about whether they are important for his legacy, if he cannot just drop them. He has to play. Other than that, I am sure that plenty of tournaments would love to have top players in their lineups, but the players choose to sit out in order to prepare themselves well for the really meaningful tournaments.

Considering that he probably will receive a healthy appearance fee on top of probably winning the event if he wants to at 40% of his usual effort, he will be losing A LOT of money (depending on his appearance fee something in the vicinity of 200-300 K), points and rhythm to do something which is going to enter probably only as a statistic even if he actually wins a medal.

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Mainad

Bionic Poster
I don't think that too many tournaments from the tennis calendar have special ceremonies for which they are preparing for days, including the actual ceremony lasting for hours on end.

I also don't think that there are many tournaments, where in the middle of a certain series a player has to fly to the other side of the planet for one tournament, before returning back to his routine schedule.

While it is true that one can choose to not live in the OV, I would imagine that that would come at his own expense, and also in a foreign culture like Japan that could also lead to unnecessary stress. Federer chose to live outside the OV most of the time, but he also spoke about the unsettling atmosphere of the OV.



Not really. There is that minor detail that most tournaments considered important are mandatory, so it is not even about whether they are important for his legacy, if he cannot just drop them. He has to play. Other than that, I am sure that plenty of tournaments would love to have top players in their lineups, but the players choose to sit out in order to prepare themselves well for the really meaningful tournaments.

Considering that he probably will receive a healthy appearance fee on top of probably winning the event if he wants to at 40% of his usual effort, he will be losing A LOT of money (depending on his appearance fee something in the vicinity of 200-300 K), points and rhythm to do something which is going to enter probably only as a statistic even if he actually wins a medal.

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In short, he is not very patriotic and not prepared to represent his country at the most important sporting event in the world. Not everything is about money and ranking points.
 

ak24alive

Legend
Believe it or not, many clay courters used to skip it completely. Also some ATGs skipped the Major on their strongest surface in order to win another Major.

Tennis didn't start yesterday, so this ****ty talk about how the tennis players are obliged to do this and that is incompatible with previous experience.

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My point was wrong anyway. He will win more prize money in slems anyway. Your point was about prize money.
But it's stupid to skip the Olympics. The legacy of the Olympics is too high to skip them. He can win the home tournament from 2021 onwards.
 

ak24alive

Legend
Believe it or not, many clay courters used to skip it completely. Also some ATGs skipped the Major on their strongest surface in order to win another Major.

Tennis didn't start yesterday, so this ****ty talk about how the tennis players are obliged to do this and that is incompatible with previous experience and is done based on some inexplicable moral duty (otherwise the player is considered unworthy of admiration etc).

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It's really not about sacrificing the Olympics to do something more important in Thiem's case. It's just plain stupidity. Not well thought it seems to me. But I maybe wrong.
As I said he can win the home tourney anytime in the future because the competition isn't all that high there and it's on clay. The Olympics on the other hand won't come for another 4 years.
It's about being rational and not even about being a patriot for me.
I don't think this makes him unworthy of admiration either.
 
In short, he is not very patriotic

Really, when he wins tournaments does he fly his family crest or something?


and not prepared to represent his country at the most important sporting event in the world..

It may be the most important sporting event in the world, but it is also one of the more politicised and corrupt, putting aside its significance in tennis, of course.


Not everything is about money and ranking points.

I agree, but between ranking points, money and unhindered preparation in maximally suitable environment and representing his country with possible multiple drawbacks there is no solid argument that speaks unequivocally for the latter, and that is if he actually views the Olympics as an entirely positive event in its nature.

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Mainad

Bionic Poster
Really, when he wins tournaments does he fly his family crest or something?

Of course not but the Olympics, along with Davis Cup, is a tournament where you represent your country.

It may be the most important sporting event in the world, but it is also one of the more politicised and corrupt, putting aside its significance in tennis, of course.

Tell me a sporting organisation that isn't?

I agree, but between ranking points, money and unhindered preparation in maximally suitable environment and representing his country with possible multiple drawbacks there is no solid argument that speaks unequivocally for the latter, and that is if he actually views the Olympics as an entirely positive event in its nature.

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It only occurs once every 4 years. It's not as if he's being asked to put himself out for it every year, is it? If he is against the Olympics in principle why not just say so but that doesn't appear to be the case. He hinted that he MAY play it when it comes to Paris in 2024 which is big of him. Of course, there may be another Austrian player by then whom his country will prefer to select to represent Austria so he can't just assume he will play it whenever he feels like it.
 

ak24alive

Legend
Federer must be happy now.
Soon Djokovic and Nadal will withdraw too.
Fedr company handing out huge sums for Fed to finally win the elusive gold.
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My point was wrong anyway. He will win more prize money in slems anyway. Your point was about prize money.
But it's stupid to skip the Olympics. The legacy of the Olympics is too high to skip them. He can win the home tournament from 2021 onwards.

My point is not only about prize money. My point was about the player not being stigmatised just because his choice differs from that of someone else, and that there are plenty examples of players prioritising in a manner different than the group think.

In tennis the personal goals are paramount for the motivation of the player, and he works to achieve them, not to satisfy the public opinion, because the public opinion has nothing at stake, and the players themselves have quite a bit. The players who re lower ranked have better opportunities to attract sponsors by going to the Olympics, and the best players might have the ambition to win everything. He as a player and achievements doesn't belong to any of those groups, so he should be careful with his commitments.

The Olympics are getting more compromised as an event with every new edition, and themselves wear already quite a stigma, so I am not sure about the "legacy" part either. Historically they have also been quite insignificant, so that is another thing too.

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Mainad

Bionic Poster
Soon Djokovic and Nadal will withdraw too.
Fedr company handing out huge sums for Fed to finally win the elusive gold.
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Nadal may do so but I doubt mega-millionaire Djokovic would be interested in any financial inducement to avoid playing the Olympics just for Fed's benefit. After all, Tokyo may be his last chance to win it too! :cool:
 

TnsGuru

Professional
What is this? Dominic not much of a Thiem player for his country Austria? I hope he changes his mind, it isn't often that you can represent your country in the olympics. Maybe he doesn't like the BO3 format?
 

ak24alive

Legend
My point is not only about prize money. My point was about the player not being stigmatised just because his choice differs from that of someone else, and that there are plenty examples of players prioritising in a manner different than the group think.

In tennis the personal goals are paramount for the motivation of the player, and he works to achieve them, not to satisfy the public opinion, because the public opinion has nothing at stake, and the players themselves have quite a bit. The players who re lower ranked have better opportunities to attract sponsors by going to the Olympics, and the best players might have the ambition to win everything. He as a player and achievements doesn't belong to any of those groups, so he should be careful with his commitments.

The Olympics are getting more compromised as an event with every new edition, and themselves wear already quite a stigma, so I am not sure about the "legacy" part either. Historically they have also been quite insignificant, so that is another thing too.

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Whenever a player wins a medal it's a big deal for the country and the people so the legacy is still there imo.
The bolded is a False Dichotomy fallacy as those are not the only two categories of players. There are players who would like to win a medal for their country. Thiem certainly wants to win the home tournament and that aligns with the same philosophy of winning an Olympic medal for the country.
So by extension he does wants to win the Olympics. But the conflict is that he will have to skip the home tourney for it and I don't know maybe he has a commitment with them or whatever but he can go back and win the tournament in the future and it will be easy for a clay courter of his calibre so it's only logical to give the Olympics a try.
Anyways you make a valid too. And the same goes with my point.
It all comes down to his choice. There is no point arguing over this particular subject anymore as we already know eachother's points. :)
 
Of course not but the Olympics, along with Davis Cup, is a tournament where you represent your country.

Same for every tournament where next to the name of the athlete stands his national flag or abbreviation. DC (in its older format anyway) was ten times the national representation than the Olympics in their heyday.



Tell me a sporting organisation that isn't?

Well, there can be only one "most politicised and corrupt", so the answer is "not one more so than the OG".

Besides, that others are also corrupt shouldn't be a reason for an athlete to put himself under yet another such organisation. At least there he isn't forced to do it.

It only occurs once every 4 years. It's not as if he's being asked to put himself out for it every year, is it? If he is against the Olympics in principle why not just say so but that doesn't appear to be the case. He hinted that he MAY play it when it comes to Paris in 2024 which is big of him. Of course, there may be another Austrian player by then whom his country will prefer to select to represent Austria so he can't just assume he will play it whenever he feels like it.

Whether it is only once in four years is irrelevant to his plans for this year.

Why would he explicitly state something that is absolutely unnecessary and could potentially have detrimental effect on his career development?

Of course, it is a decision that comes with consequences. If he decides to skip now in 2024 the Austrian tennis federation might choose other player over him based also on commitment. If he skips and then complaints then he can be criticised for his actions, but not before.

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It's really not about sacrificing the Olympics to do something more important in Thiem's case. It's just plain stupidity. Not well thought it seems to me. But I maybe wrong.
As I said he can win the home tourney anytime in the future because the competition isn't all that high there and it's on clay. The Olympics on the other hand won't come for another 4 years. It's about being rational and not even about being a patriot for me.

Funny how sometimes people can have diametrically opposed views when they have the same information to work with.

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Luka888

Professional
DomInic can do whatever he wants. He is representing Austria just fine.

I wouldn't be surprised if the big 3 don't show up either. Well, Djokovic might show up as a gymnast :). That would be cool.

Fed, with his great touch, will do well at curling in the Winter Olympics. Nadal, let me think, bobsleigh :giggle:. Shmolympics.:cool:
 
DomInic can do whatever he wants. He is representing Austria just fine.

I wouldn't be surprised if the big 3 don't show up either. Well, Djokovic might show up as a gymnast :). That would be cool.

Fed, with his great touch, will do well at curling in the Winter Olympics. Nadal, let me think, bobsleigh :giggle:. Shmolympics.:cool:

Federer will be there (if healthy) because of his monstrous deal with Uniqlo. Unlike what many here think I don't think that he loses sleep over his actual results there. He will go to have fun and as a brand ambassador. If something comes out of it it would be a welcome bonus for him.

Djokovic will want to win them purely based on his quest to win everything of importance, so he will be there too, if healthy.

Nadal has shown a lot of enthusiasm, but I will crack laughing if he participates given his comments about HC and his injuries. Possible skip from him.

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