Donald Young, is it really too late?

pmerk34

Legend
David Ferrer lifts weights and trains extremely hard. Something a lot of pros could learn from. Donald is skinny and weak, Ferrer is stocky and strong. That is something Donald can work on but he is evidently too lazy to do so.

That's fine. Lot's of pros work extremely hard and still no one gets exactly the same results out of it. I do not know Young's training habits (although I have read negative things about it) just like most of us have no idea how hard, say, the 75th ranked player in the world works in comparison to David Ferrer. For we all we know there could be 25 touring pros who have had nowhere near Ferrer's success who just as hard or harder than Ferrer.

Those who projected Young to be a top pro when Young was 14 or 15 envisioned a 6'2 or 6'3 super athletic lefty who with great hands and racket control. What he has turned out to be is a very slight framed player. Look how narrow his shoulders are. You are either born with wide shoulders or you are not. I personally don't believe is really even 6 feet tall and he;s a good athlete speed/quickness wise but nothing that is off the charts. He does possess good hands and feel, but without the power to back it up his left handed advantage is nullified.

I would say Young would have to work out as hard as Ferrer just to crack and maybe stay in the top 20. Nothing he does will ever allow him to become good enough to be a top 10 player.
 
he does have Talent but he doesn't have blow away stuff. it is not too late but to succeed he would Need to develope a work ethic and fighting Spirit like ferrer.

a guy like gulbis who has a huge game might get away with a "swagger attitude" (and even he only gets to like top 20 with that) but Young Needs to drop any ego and swagger he has and just become a fighting maniac. a "cool and cute" game won't get him anywhere.
 

Harry_Wild

G.O.A.T.
I remember him beating Davydenko all those years ago. I watched him lose to Hewitt years ago and was amazed by his powerful forehand. Is he not practising or something? He clearly has top 10 level talent.

He's still young. I'd never even seen Dolgopolov play till he was 22-23. Is it that he is financially secure like Gulbis from his early sponsorship money and doesn't care enough to train hard?

Just like Bjorn Phau, another wunderkind who never did anything in the game despite Becker's best efforts, whenever you actually see him play he seems so incredibly talented. Regardless of what has gone wrong in the past, is it beyond the realms of possibility he could fix these non tennis issues and actually achieve something in the game?

I think with the right coach DY could make it back into the top 50 ranking and stay there. I think the "top 20" is not possible since he is now 22? and is getting kind of old for a move up at his age. Players that have made it to the "top 20" usually comeback into it in their comeback - Tommy Haas for example. But those who never reach that rank; have a hard time reaching that ranking that they never had - ever.

But nothing is impossible but I don't see DY having the potential to be in the top 20 and staying there - ever! He just to inconsistent!
 

Harry_Wild

G.O.A.T.
That's fine. Lot's of pros work extremely hard and still no one gets exactly the same results out of it. I do not know Young's training habits (although I have read negative things about it) just like most of us have no idea how hard, say, the 75th ranked player in the world works in comparison to David Ferrer. For we all we know there could be 25 touring pros who have had nowhere near Ferrer's success who just as hard or harder than Ferrer.

Those who projected Young to be a top pro when Young was 14 or 15 envisioned a 6'2 or 6'3 super athletic lefty who with great hands and racket control. What he has turned out to be is a very slight framed player. Look how narrow his shoulders are. You are either born with wide shoulders or you are not. I personally don't believe is really even 6 feet tall and he;s a good athlete speed/quickness wise but nothing that is off the charts. He does possess good hands and feel, but without the power to back it up his left handed advantage is nullified.

I would say Young would have to work out as hard as Ferrer just to crack and maybe stay in the top 20. Nothing he does will ever allow him to become good enough to be a top 10 player.

I don't think Nole(Nolan Djokovic) is not that stocky of a guy! Some people think he as a slim frame. Djokovic is only number one tour player in the world right now! Andy Murray is pretty much the same size frame as Nole and he is the number two ranked player in the world.

David Ferrer is about the same size as DY is; and he is only the number three rank player in the world.
 

Crisp

Professional
There is only so much room at the top. Sometimes not everyone fits, doesn't mean you are not talented necessarily. I feel sorry for him, labelled a star before he was one and now suffering under the expectation which perhaps was incorrect in the first place.
 

citybert

Hall of Fame
David Ferrer lifts weights and trains extremely hard. Something a lot of pros could learn from. Donald is skinny and weak, Ferrer is stocky and strong. That is something Donald can work on but he is evidently too lazy to do so.

And mentally its no contest.
 

Nostradamus

Bionic Poster
And mentally its no contest.

Ferrer has much better serve. Better Forehand. and is in much better shape meaning he can go 10 sets and not get tired where Donald goes tough 3 sets and is exhausted. :( Oh and Ferrer is a lot faster than Donald the duck.
 
I think with the right coach DY could make it back into the top 50 ranking and stay there. I think the "top 20" is not possible since he is now 22? and is getting kind of old for a move up at his age. Players that have made it to the "top 20" usually comeback into it in their comeback - Tommy Haas for example. But those who never reach that rank; have a hard time reaching that ranking that they never had - ever.

But nothing is impossible but I don't see DY having the potential to be in the top 20 and staying there - ever! He just to inconsistent!

He's a few days shy of his 24th birthday. Young always seemed to lack heart IMO.
 
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bpp

New User
I really don't think DY is that rich. Where is all of this supposed money coming from? Prize money is far less than expenses these days. He may have some sponsorships, but really not much lucrative endorsements where he's actually being paid money to be associated with whatever product or service. His parents? Middle class, sure, but they're not really rich.

I am sure he got paid pretty well in sponsorships on the expectation of being the next great American tennis player. I think Brian Baker alluded to making quite a bit of money on sponsorships when he was young which he lived off comfortably during his time off the tour. I am sure DY got paid significantly more.
 
Lets not talk about size and weight with DY bcus look at ollie rochus, he's 5'6" maybe and he has a very respectable career winning 2 atp tour events and losing in the finals 8 times.
 

WhiskeyEE

G.O.A.T.
D. Young has looked like a scrub every time I've seen him play. Almost looks like a club player with his powder puff forehead.

Last time I saw him play he got beat like 6-1 6-0 by another nobody.
 

NamRanger

G.O.A.T.
Donald Young is just another collection of top juniors like Monfils and Gasquet who was supposed to be a legend.



Except despite being underachievers in some sense, Monfils and Gasquet still both made it to the top 10 with some results to show for it. It demonstrates that even with their lazy attitudes, they have some serious talent.


Young to this point has demonstrated nothing. The guy struggles to beat has beens on his best surface. I remember when people were trying to say Young was going to be a better player than Isner, I told them they were idiots. Isner has the potential to upset anyone on any given day, and has firepower beyond measure. Young has no such weapons. And looky looky, I was right. Isner has by far had the better career, despite the fact that he has a very limited game.
 
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BeHappy

Hall of Fame
good point. What did Nadal achieve when he was 24?

What has Gulbis achieved? 6 months ago he was right where Young is. Gulbis is a dinosaur. The slow, tall power game is useless in 2013 with slow courts everywhere.

Donald Young on the other hand is 6', lightning fast, can hit a huge forehand when he wants, serve is Nadal-like, and he has touch like Murray.

The weird thing is he seems, like Gasquet, to deliberately hit short paceless junkballs. I don't understand it. I remember against Hewitt he would hit these massive forehands occasionally and Hewitt could only watch as they flew past him. Why doesn't he do that instead of play like Santoro?
 

pjonesy

Professional
I still disagree. When all of them were jrs, DY was still the smallest of all of them, and I wouldnt say he was full grown at 16. He might not have grown any taller, Im not sure how tall he was when he was 16, but he's certainly filled out a lot more since then.

In any case, a skinny 6'4" player, is still bigger than a skinny 5'9" player. He won in the jrs playing a "jr" game, being consistent, or, as some like to call it, pushing. Not because he was bigger than his peers.



He also chokes up on his forehand. These are things that should have been spotted and corrected by his parents. But I guess they didnt want to disrupt any jr success, in favor of better performance later.

Some truth in here. From what I can tell, the problem is the same with the parents of most successful jrs. The parents don't think of what will be developed later, they want their kids to win now. It's kind of amazing that Young ended up with elements of a serve and volley/touch game, considering the focus on repetitious baseline drills for jrs that reinforce depth and consistency.
 
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pjonesy

Professional
What has Gulbis achieved? 6 months ago he was right where Young is. Gulbis is a dinosaur. The slow, tall power game is useless in 2013 with slow courts everywhere.

Donald Young on the other hand is 6', lightning fast, can hit a huge forehand when he wants, serve is Nadal-like, and he has touch like Murray.

The weird thing is he seems, like Gasquet, to deliberately hit short paceless junkballs. I don't understand it. I remember against Hewitt he would hit these massive forehands occasionally and Hewitt could only watch as they flew past him. Why doesn't he do that instead of play like Santoro?

I hear you. It seems like the trend is to mix it up and show off your touch. Whether you have it or not. Now everybody wants to be the dropshot king. Bottom line, Young gets a little too cute at times. Forget Sampras, Federer or Djokovic. Now they want to be Santoro!!! God forbid they try to learn and master all parts of the game!!
 

Soianka

Hall of Fame
He's too small. He was top junior because he was bigger than every other 16 yr old. But they have literally passed him by.

I heard Mac bros during delpo sf last week talking about how right on Gilbert was when he came back from watching jerzy on outside court at last years Wimbledon. He said something like wow he's gonna be realllllly good. And they were all reminiscing about players they thought the same about but never panned out and John added, "well we all make mistakes and the ones that make less are making alot of money GMing the yankees and lakers and stuff". At that moment i knew we were thinking the same thing. Donald young. Lol.


He was never bigger than every other 16 year old. He's always been one of the smaller players even as a junior.

He was beating everyone because he was better than them at that time.
 
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hcb0804

Hall of Fame
His forehand is huge. His serve is good, his movement is excellent, his touch is as good as Murray's. He has all the tools. At 24 Gulbis finally got serious about tennis. Young is 23. Could he make the same push?

No. Donald Yuck is a never was and never will be.
 
If he only gave a damn

If Donald watches his own video he'd notice that his game is junior style and not ATP level. His parent are excellent junior and WTA coaches, but are clueless about professional men's tennis. He has figured how to stay in the top 100 without achieving very much. That is unfortunate because I think this is a comfortable place for him.
 

Mr.Lob

G.O.A.T.
I remember him beating Davydenko all those years ago. I watched him lose to Hewitt years ago and was amazed by his powerful forehand. Is he not practising or something? He clearly has top 10 level talent.

He's still young. I'd never even seen Dolgopolov play till he was 22-23. Is it that he is financially secure like Gulbis from his early sponsorship money and doesn't care enough to train hard?

Just like Bjorn Phau, another wunderkind who never did anything in the game despite Becker's best efforts, whenever you actually see him play he seems so incredibly talented. Regardless of what has gone wrong in the past, is it beyond the realms of possibility he could fix these non tennis issues and actually achieve something in the game?

He needs to find a cap that will fit his head properly. His opponent don't take him seriously, as he looks like Ed from "Good Burger".
 

pjonesy

Professional
If Donald watches his own video he'd notice that his game is junior style and not ATP level. His parent are excellent junior and WTA coaches, but are clueless about professional men's tennis. He has figured how to stay in the top 100 without achieving very much. That is unfortunate because I think this is a comfortable place for him.

I think I have to agree with this. Another guy that I can't watch very much is Ryan Harrison. He goes for too much when he is out of position. It's hit or miss with him. His mistakes are like a club player's. Harrison will move a guy all over, then drive a ball short, follow it in and get passed. Actually, I've seen Young do that even more than Harrison. The fact that it is difficult for me to watch them, should tell you that I want them to be successful. But I don't see it happening.
 

pjonesy

Professional
a cap that fits and also not wear his cap at a jaunty angle :neutral: (if he still does it).

Yeah. That is very annoying. It's not a ragged worn in old cap like I would have imagined Courier wearing back in the day. Let's see something with some character and maybe a story behind it. Young wears a brand spanking new cap and it's cocked to the side. I hate that as well. It's just wrong.
 
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