Dorochenko: "Federer can win Wimbledon at 42 or 43 years old"

It's possible.
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Gerco said:
Former Roger´s fitness trainer, Paul Dorochenko, said he thinks Federer can achieve that goal. He also said 10 years ago that Roger would still be playing into his 40´s.

Interview in Spanish by Sebastian Torok for ESPN

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"Federer puede ganar Wimbledon con 43 años" - ESPN Video

Su preparador físico en los arranques, Dorochenko, confía en el futuro de Su Majestad.
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I don't think novak and rafa will let him
 
This is an article from more than 2 years ago where Paul Dorochenko said very interesting things that can cause a lot of controversy among Federer's followers:

Since taking over the reins of one of the most privileged physiques to play tennis, Roger Federer's, Paul Dorochenko has been seen as one of the types who are most capable of evaluating the personality and evolution of the current number 1 in the world . Dorochenko, in an interview for the newspaper La Razón, speaks frankly in all directions, highlighting the virtues of the Swiss and also his shadows while working with him, without hiding what for him was always a very difficult temperament.

Dorochenko, who is currently piloting and directing a worldwide recognized neuromotor method, discusses his idea in an introductory way. "It is called Allyane and it is a neuromotor reprogramming system. In other words, with low frequency sounds, you can change motor skills, a sports gesture, and that saves us a lot of time in motor learning. You can improve a technical gesture with this method like the serve or the right, and also improve a feeling after an operation. With the method, in an hour and a half or two hours, you can reprogram the footprint. We activate some motor neurons that we call mirrors, and in the end you pass the sensation of the healthy leg to the other, and the brain forgets the protections that it has put when you had the injury".

Before implementing this methodology, Dorochenko worked with Federer from another concept, laterality. "Tennis comes from your body, and each body is different. Federer is a right hand and a left director eye, so his best impact on the right is well advanced, and his natural shot is the right; when he was young, he had problems with the backhand. Wawrinka, Gasquet, Corretja or Albert Costa are right-handed and the directing eye is the right, so the natural blow is the backhand. It is called homogeneous when you are for example left eye and left hand, like Verdasco, or like Bruguera , and homogeneous is better for the backhand. When you are crossed, like Federer, or Nadal, who is left arm and right eye, the natural blow is the forehand. In normal life there are 30% crossed, for 70% homogeneous , but in high level tennis there are almost 60% of crusaders, because it is better to have a good forehand".

Dorochenko goes on to describe what he found when he met the Helvetian. "The truth is that he was a very complicated boy, with character, hyperactive, he was half crazy and he is still in private. He was a good person, but really very complicated: he threw games, broke his rackets, misbehaved. Federer's personality has been fabricated, it is not his personality. Federer changed for three reasons: by a sports psychologist who worked with him from 18 to 21 or 22, then he had little experience with girls, had a little girlfriend, and immediately found his wife, who is an ambitious person, who comes from Czechoslovakia, likes money, power, and in the end she has protected Federer a lot, made a bubble for him; and the third was Nike, it was with a lot of money and the marketing department told him: "We want you to be a gentleman". Nike's money helped him behave better. In private life, he's a good person, but he's not the figure you see on the tennis court. When he loses with Rafa and shakes hands, people from the outside see him smiling, but I know how he is inside. When you've worked with Federer, you've known Federer for real, he's changed so much that you say, "This guy can't be Federer." When he was 20 years old we were talking to Peter Lundgren to start traveling, and the same week I had an offer from Sergi Bruguera who had just returned after an operation. His offer was much better, more money, living in Barcelona ... And I was so tired of Federer that I decided to leave. It was very complicated. He did not come to physical preparation, you were going to look for him in his apartment and the room was a mess, you did not know if he was there or not. But despite all that we can say that it has worked".

Dorochenko pauses to point out the importance of working and chiselling a talent and how it has been so important in the Swiss career to have tennis as the epicenter of everything. "You have to work with talent every day, with talent it is not enough. At this level everyone has something special, but for me Federer has been a very manufactured product. The technique was quite good when young. With 17 years old, it was already seen that this kid, especially with the serve and the forehand, already had something more, but he has learned to return, to volley, to play more backhands, to fail less, to behave better ...And that over the years creates a Ronaldo, a Messi, a Federer. Federer has no other life than tennis. I remember for example Ferrero, who for me was an impressive kid, as a person and as a player, but when you see him with a Mercedes car, a girlfriend ... You say, something has broken, and indeed in the following years he was not longer the same. But Federer has no other life. Federer is like a king in tennis. He gets in the physiotherapy room, and he can spend three hours talking. The guy is very happy at ATP".

Paul also has time to compare the two greatest tennis players of this century and maybe in history. "He is a player who has a very good technique, and that is why he is not injured. We are not going to compare the technique of Nadal and Federer. Federer is much more a player, but Nadal has more mental capacity, a brutal physique, he is a very high level athlete. And Federer is good, fast, he has a good reaction time, but he doesn't have the physical qualities of Nadal. "

Their relationship is no longer the same and Dorochenko now acknowledges having a good relationship with the Swiss although everything had its limit. "We don't call each other regularly because life has separated us. At the beginning I wrote to him when he won a tournament, but since he won a tournament every week ... But yes, we have a good relationship and we had a good relationship but I ended up tired of him".

Dorochenko also highlights a name above Lundgren's as the true builder of the teenage Federer. "I worked a lot with Peter Carter. He is the real trainer of Federer. Peter Lundgren was the guy to travel, who knew the whole circuit, all the people ... But the one who really manufactured Federer was Peter Carter".

How long will Roger play? "For me, really, he can play up to 40 with no problem. He'll quit when he starts to lose against more normal people. I don't think he could take it, he likes to win, like everyone else, but he does more. But he's too good. When you see him walking, he has motor skills and a way of moving that is impressive. His mother always told me that he did not see him very smart, and it is true that he never worked very well in school, he was not a very good student, but tennis he understands it so well, he understands the court, what he has to do, he invents. Many times you give him advice and he ignores you, as a coach you go crazy, because in the end he invents it. He uses whatever he wants. I never would have thought that Federer would have been the player of the century, it didn't cross my mind, or I couldn't imagine seeing him win in Paris, and he did it. How can it be that in the 3-4 years of my life that I was with him, didn't he think that? I knew he could be a great player, that's for sure, but from there to win 20 Grand Slams ... And I think he will win more. The good thing for me is that I have been a small part of his history, and not so many people have worked with him".

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Dorochenko: 'Federer inventa; puede jugar hasta los 40 años'

Paul Dorochenko reconoce en una entrevista que acabó cansado de Federer. Una charla en la que muestra luces y sombras del suizo.
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DSH said:
This is an article from more than 2 years ago where Paul Dorochenko said very interesting things that can cause a lot of controversy among Federer's followers:

Since taking over the reins of one of the most privileged physiques to play tennis, Roger Federer's, Paul Dorochenko has been seen as one of the types who are most capable of evaluating the personality and evolution of the current number 1 in the world . Dorochenko, in an interview for the newspaper La Razón, speaks frankly in all directions, highlighting the virtues of the Swiss and also his shadows while working with him, without hiding what for him was always a very difficult temperament.

Dorochenko, who is currently piloting and directing a worldwide recognized neuromotor method, discusses his idea in an introductory way. "It is called Allyane and it is a neuromotor reprogramming system. In other words, with low frequency sounds, you can change motor skills, a sports gesture, and that saves us a lot of time in motor learning. You can improve a technical gesture with this method like the serve or the right, and also improve a feeling after an operation. With the method, in an hour and a half or two hours, you can reprogram the footprint. We activate some motor neurons that we call mirrors, and in the end you pass the sensation of the healthy leg to the other, and the brain forgets the protections that it has put when you had the injury".

Before implementing this methodology, Dorochenko worked with Federer from another concept, laterality. "Tennis comes from your body, and each body is different. Federer is a right hand and a left director eye, so his best impact on the right is well advanced, and his natural shot is the right; when he was young, he had problems with the reverse. Wawrinka, Gasquet, Corretja or Albert Costa are right-handed and the directing eye is the right, so the natural blow is the reverse. It is called homogeneous when you are for example left eye and left hand, like Verdasco, or like Bruguera , and homogeneous is better for the backhand. When you are crossed, like Federer, or Nadal, who is left arm and right eye, the natural blow is the right. In normal life there are 30% crossed, for 70% homogeneous , but in high level tennis there are almost 60% of crusaders, because it is better to have a good forehand".

Dorochenko goes on to describe what he found when he met the Helvetian. "The truth is that he was a very complicated boy, with character, hyperactive, he was half crazy and he is still in private. He was a good person, but really very complicated: he threw games, broke his rackets, misbehaved. Personality Federer has been manufactured, it is not his personality. Federer changed for three reasons: by a sports psychologist who worked with him from 18 to 21 or 22, then he had little experience with girls, had a little girlfriend, and immediately found his wife, who is an ambitious person, who comes from Czechoslovakia, likes money, power, and in the end she has protected Federer a lot, made a bubble for him; and the third was Nike, it was by far money and the marketing department said, "We want you to be a gentleman." Nike's money helped him behave better. In private life, he's a good person, but he's not the figure you see on the tennis court. When he loses with Rafa and shakes hands with the ge From the outside she sees him smiling, but I know how he is inside. When you've worked with Federer, you've known Federer for real, he's changed so much that you say, "This guy can't be Federer." When he was 20 years old we were talking to Peter Lundgren to start traveling, and the same week I had an offer from Sergi Bruguera who had just returned after an operation. His offer was much better, more money, living in Barcelona ... And I was so tired of Federer that I decided to leave. It was very complicated. He did not come to physical preparation, you were going to look for him in his apartment and the room was a mess, you did not know if he was there or not. But despite all that we can say that it has worked".

Dorochenko pauses to point out the importance of working and chiselling a talent and how it has been so important in the Swiss career to have tennis as the epicenter of everything. "You have to work with talent every day, with talent it is not enough. At this level everyone has something special, but for me Federer has been a very manufactured product. The technique was quite good when young. At 17 years old It was seen that this kid, especially with the serve and the right, already had something else, but he has learned to subtract, to volley, to play more backwards, to miss less, to behave better ... And that after The years creates a Ronaldo, a Messi, a Federer. Federer has no other life than tennis. I remember, for example, Ferrero, who for me was an impressive kid, as a person and as a player, but when you see him with a car Mercedes, a girlfriend ... You say, something has broken, and indeed in the following years it was no longer the same. But Federer has no other life. Federer is like a king in tennis. In the physiotherapy room he gets, and you can spend three hours talking. The guy is very happy in the ATP".

Paul also has time to compare the two greatest tennis players of this century and maybe in history. "He is a player who has a very good technique, and that is why he is not injured. We are not going to compare the technique of Nadal and Federer. Federer is much more a player, but Nadal has more mental capacity, a brutal physique, he is an athlete Very high level. And Federer is good, fast, he has a good reaction time, but he doesn't have the physical qualities of Nadal".

Their relationship is no longer the same and Dorochenko now acknowledges having a good relationship with the Swiss although everything had its limit. "We don't call each other regularly because life has separated us. At the beginning I wrote to him when he won a tournament, but since he won a tournament every week ... But yes, we have a good relationship and we had a good relationship but I ended up tired of him".

Dorochenko also highlights a name above Lundgren's as the true builder of the teenage Federer. "I worked a lot with Peter Carter. He is the real trainer of Federer. Peter Lundgren was the guy to travel, who knew the whole circuit, all the people ... But the one who really manufactured Federer was Peter Carter".

How long will Roger play? "For me, really, he can play up to 40 with no problem. He'll quit when he starts to lose against more normal people. I don't think he could take it, he likes to win, like everyone else, but he does more. But he's too good. When you see him walking, he has motor skills and a way of moving that is impressive. His mother always told me that he did not see him very smart, and it is true that he never worked very well in school, he was not a very good student, but tennis he understands it so well, he understands the court, what he has to do, he invents. Many times you give him advice and he ignores you, as a coach you go crazy, because in the end he invents it. He uses whatever he wants. I never would have thought that Federer would have been the player of the century, it didn't cross my mind, or I couldn't imagine seeing him win in Paris, and he did it. How can it be that in the 3-4 years of my life that I was with him, didn't he think that? I knew he could be a great player, that's for sure, but from there to win 20 Grand Slams ... And I think he will win more. The good thing for me is that I have been a small part of his history, and not so many people have worked with him".

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Dorochenko: 'Federer inventa; puede jugar hasta los 40 años'

Paul Dorochenko reconoce en una entrevista que acabó cansado de Federer. Una charla en la que muestra luces y sombras del suizo.
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I like the part about Ferrero and the Mercedes and the girlfriend.
 
He definitely can with a favourable draw, avoiding Djokovic/Nadal. No new player is showing any domination, especially on grass.

His forehand or serve won't decline in the next 5 or so years. I can't imagine any player having a more potent forehand in the next few years, Federer will still be able to hit winners against the tour (outside of Djokovic and Nadal).

His footwork is excellent and efficient, but he is showing signs of getting tired. When he lost in the world tour finals, it was strange to see his footwork was a bit slow and not as sharp (but that was at the end of the season as well). Backhand is coming and going for Federer right now, but its reasonably solid.

Greatest advantage is grass, he has the perfect game to continue challenging on grass. When serving, his 1-2 combination is still so deadly and it will still be very difficult to break the Federer serve on grass.
 
DSH said:
This is an article from more than 2 years ago where Paul Dorochenko said very interesting things that can cause a lot of controversy among Federer's followers:

Since taking over the reins of one of the most privileged physiques to play tennis, Roger Federer's, Paul Dorochenko has been seen as one of the types who are most capable of evaluating the personality and evolution of the current number 1 in the world . Dorochenko, in an interview for the newspaper La Razón, speaks frankly in all directions, highlighting the virtues of the Swiss and also his shadows while working with him, without hiding what for him was always a very difficult temperament.

Dorochenko, who is currently piloting and directing a worldwide recognized neuromotor method, discusses his idea in an introductory way. "It is called Allyane and it is a neuromotor reprogramming system. In other words, with low frequency sounds, you can change motor skills, a sports gesture, and that saves us a lot of time in motor learning. You can improve a technical gesture with this method like the serve or the right, and also improve a feeling after an operation. With the method, in an hour and a half or two hours, you can reprogram the footprint. We activate some motor neurons that we call mirrors, and in the end you pass the sensation of the healthy leg to the other, and the brain forgets the protections that it has put when you had the injury".

Before implementing this methodology, Dorochenko worked with Federer from another concept, laterality. "Tennis comes from your body, and each body is different. Federer is a right hand and a left director eye, so his best impact on the right is well advanced, and his natural shot is the right; when he was young, he had problems with the reverse. Wawrinka, Gasquet, Corretja or Albert Costa are right-handed and the directing eye is the right, so the natural blow is the reverse. It is called homogeneous when you are for example left eye and left hand, like Verdasco, or like Bruguera , and homogeneous is better for the backhand. When you are crossed, like Federer, or Nadal, who is left arm and right eye, the natural blow is the right. In normal life there are 30% crossed, for 70% homogeneous , but in high level tennis there are almost 60% of crusaders, because it is better to have a good forehand".

Dorochenko goes on to describe what he found when he met the Helvetian. "The truth is that he was a very complicated boy, with character, hyperactive, he was half crazy and he is still in private. He was a good person, but really very complicated: he threw games, broke his rackets, misbehaved. Personality Federer has been manufactured, it is not his personality. Federer changed for three reasons: by a sports psychologist who worked with him from 18 to 21 or 22, then he had little experience with girls, had a little girlfriend, and immediately found his wife, who is an ambitious person, who comes from Czechoslovakia, likes money, power, and in the end she has protected Federer a lot, made a bubble for him; and the third was Nike, it was by far money and the marketing department said, "We want you to be a gentleman." Nike's money helped him behave better. In private life, he's a good person, but he's not the figure you see on the tennis court. When he loses with Rafa and shakes hands with the ge From the outside she sees him smiling, but I know how he is inside. When you've worked with Federer, you've known Federer for real, he's changed so much that you say, "This guy can't be Federer." When he was 20 years old we were talking to Peter Lundgren to start traveling, and the same week I had an offer from Sergi Bruguera who had just returned after an operation. His offer was much better, more money, living in Barcelona ... And I was so tired of Federer that I decided to leave. It was very complicated. He did not come to physical preparation, you were going to look for him in his apartment and the room was a mess, you did not know if he was there or not. But despite all that we can say that it has worked".

Dorochenko pauses to point out the importance of working and chiselling a talent and how it has been so important in the Swiss career to have tennis as the epicenter of everything. "You have to work with talent every day, with talent it is not enough. At this level everyone has something special, but for me Federer has been a very manufactured product. The technique was quite good when young. At 17 years old It was seen that this kid, especially with the serve and the right, already had something else, but he has learned to subtract, to volley, to play more backwards, to miss less, to behave better ... And that after The years creates a Ronaldo, a Messi, a Federer. Federer has no other life than tennis. I remember, for example, Ferrero, who for me was an impressive kid, as a person and as a player, but when you see him with a car Mercedes, a girlfriend ... You say, something has broken, and indeed in the following years it was no longer the same. But Federer has no other life. Federer is like a king in tennis. In the physiotherapy room he gets, and you can spend three hours talking. The guy is very happy in the ATP".

Paul also has time to compare the two greatest tennis players of this century and maybe in history. "He is a player who has a very good technique, and that is why he is not injured. We are not going to compare the technique of Nadal and Federer. Federer is much more a player, but Nadal has more mental capacity, a brutal physique, he is an athlete Very high level. And Federer is good, fast, he has a good reaction time, but he doesn't have the physical qualities of Nadal".

Their relationship is no longer the same and Dorochenko now acknowledges having a good relationship with the Swiss although everything had its limit. "We don't call each other regularly because life has separated us. At the beginning I wrote to him when he won a tournament, but since he won a tournament every week ... But yes, we have a good relationship and we had a good relationship but I ended up tired of him".

Dorochenko also highlights a name above Lundgren's as the true builder of the teenage Federer. "I worked a lot with Peter Carter. He is the real trainer of Federer. Peter Lundgren was the guy to travel, who knew the whole circuit, all the people ... But the one who really manufactured Federer was Peter Carter".

How long will Roger play? "For me, really, he can play up to 40 with no problem. He'll quit when he starts to lose against more normal people. I don't think he could take it, he likes to win, like everyone else, but he does more. But he's too good. When you see him walking, he has motor skills and a way of moving that is impressive. His mother always told me that he did not see him very smart, and it is true that he never worked very well in school, he was not a very good student, but tennis he understands it so well, he understands the court, what he has to do, he invents. Many times you give him advice and he ignores you, as a coach you go crazy, because in the end he invents it. He uses whatever he wants. I never would have thought that Federer would have been the player of the century, it didn't cross my mind, or I couldn't imagine seeing him win in Paris, and he did it. How can it be that in the 3-4 years of my life that I was with him, didn't he think that? I knew he could be a great player, that's for sure, but from there to win 20 Grand Slams ... And I think he will win more. The good thing for me is that I have been a small part of his history, and not so many people have worked with him".

www.puntodebreak.com

Dorochenko: 'Federer inventa; puede jugar hasta los 40 años'

Paul Dorochenko reconoce en una entrevista que acabó cansado de Federer. Una charla en la que muestra luces y sombras del suizo.
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I think the translation makes it sound worse than it is but that's very interesting. Great stuff.
 
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I couldn't imagine seeing him win in Paris, and he did it.
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He loses some credibility there.
Fed is a great clay court player and grew up on that surface..
Always had a chance if he could dodge Rafa. How in the world can this coach say, "I could not imagine him ever winning at Paris".
 
DSH said:
This is an article from more than 2 years ago where Paul Dorochenko said very interesting things that can cause a lot of controversy among Federer's followers:

Since taking over the reins of one of the most privileged physiques to play tennis, Roger Federer's, Paul Dorochenko has been seen as one of the types who are most capable of evaluating the personality and evolution of the current number 1 in the world . Dorochenko, in an interview for the newspaper La Razón, speaks frankly in all directions, highlighting the virtues of the Swiss and also his shadows while working with him, without hiding what for him was always a very difficult temperament.

Dorochenko, who is currently piloting and directing a worldwide recognized neuromotor method, discusses his idea in an introductory way. "It is called Allyane and it is a neuromotor reprogramming system. In other words, with low frequency sounds, you can change motor skills, a sports gesture, and that saves us a lot of time in motor learning. You can improve a technical gesture with this method like the serve or the right, and also improve a feeling after an operation. With the method, in an hour and a half or two hours, you can reprogram the footprint. We activate some motor neurons that we call mirrors, and in the end you pass the sensation of the healthy leg to the other, and the brain forgets the protections that it has put when you had the injury".

Before implementing this methodology, Dorochenko worked with Federer from another concept, laterality. "Tennis comes from your body, and each body is different. Federer is a right hand and a left director eye, so his best impact on the right is well advanced, and his natural shot is the right; when he was young, he had problems with the reverse. Wawrinka, Gasquet, Corretja or Albert Costa are right-handed and the directing eye is the right, so the natural blow is the reverse. It is called homogeneous when you are for example left eye and left hand, like Verdasco, or like Bruguera , and homogeneous is better for the backhand. When you are crossed, like Federer, or Nadal, who is left arm and right eye, the natural blow is the right. In normal life there are 30% crossed, for 70% homogeneous , but in high level tennis there are almost 60% of crusaders, because it is better to have a good forehand".

Dorochenko goes on to describe what he found when he met the Helvetian. "The truth is that he was a very complicated boy, with character, hyperactive, he was half crazy and he is still in private. He was a good person, but really very complicated: he threw games, broke his rackets, misbehaved. Personality Federer has been manufactured, it is not his personality. Federer changed for three reasons: by a sports psychologist who worked with him from 18 to 21 or 22, then he had little experience with girls, had a little girlfriend, and immediately found his wife, who is an ambitious person, who comes from Czechoslovakia, likes money, power, and in the end she has protected Federer a lot, made a bubble for him; and the third was Nike, it was by far money and the marketing department said, "We want you to be a gentleman." Nike's money helped him behave better. In private life, he's a good person, but he's not the figure you see on the tennis court. When he loses with Rafa and shakes hands with the ge From the outside she sees him smiling, but I know how he is inside. When you've worked with Federer, you've known Federer for real, he's changed so much that you say, "This guy can't be Federer." When he was 20 years old we were talking to Peter Lundgren to start traveling, and the same week I had an offer from Sergi Bruguera who had just returned after an operation. His offer was much better, more money, living in Barcelona ... And I was so tired of Federer that I decided to leave. It was very complicated. He did not come to physical preparation, you were going to look for him in his apartment and the room was a mess, you did not know if he was there or not. But despite all that we can say that it has worked".

Dorochenko pauses to point out the importance of working and chiselling a talent and how it has been so important in the Swiss career to have tennis as the epicenter of everything. "You have to work with talent every day, with talent it is not enough. At this level everyone has something special, but for me Federer has been a very manufactured product. The technique was quite good when young. At 17 years old It was seen that this kid, especially with the serve and the right, already had something else, but he has learned to subtract, to volley, to play more backwards, to miss less, to behave better ... And that after The years creates a Ronaldo, a Messi, a Federer. Federer has no other life than tennis. I remember, for example, Ferrero, who for me was an impressive kid, as a person and as a player, but when you see him with a car Mercedes, a girlfriend ... You say, something has broken, and indeed in the following years it was no longer the same. But Federer has no other life. Federer is like a king in tennis. In the physiotherapy room he gets, and you can spend three hours talking. The guy is very happy in the ATP".

Paul also has time to compare the two greatest tennis players of this century and maybe in history. "He is a player who has a very good technique, and that is why he is not injured. We are not going to compare the technique of Nadal and Federer. Federer is much more a player, but Nadal has more mental capacity, a brutal physique, he is an athlete Very high level. And Federer is good, fast, he has a good reaction time, but he doesn't have the physical qualities of Nadal".

Their relationship is no longer the same and Dorochenko now acknowledges having a good relationship with the Swiss although everything had its limit. "We don't call each other regularly because life has separated us. At the beginning I wrote to him when he won a tournament, but since he won a tournament every week ... But yes, we have a good relationship and we had a good relationship but I ended up tired of him".

Dorochenko also highlights a name above Lundgren's as the true builder of the teenage Federer. "I worked a lot with Peter Carter. He is the real trainer of Federer. Peter Lundgren was the guy to travel, who knew the whole circuit, all the people ... But the one who really manufactured Federer was Peter Carter".

How long will Roger play? "For me, really, he can play up to 40 with no problem. He'll quit when he starts to lose against more normal people. I don't think he could take it, he likes to win, like everyone else, but he does more. But he's too good. When you see him walking, he has motor skills and a way of moving that is impressive. His mother always told me that he did not see him very smart, and it is true that he never worked very well in school, he was not a very good student, but tennis he understands it so well, he understands the court, what he has to do, he invents. Many times you give him advice and he ignores you, as a coach you go crazy, because in the end he invents it. He uses whatever he wants. I never would have thought that Federer would have been the player of the century, it didn't cross my mind, or I couldn't imagine seeing him win in Paris, and he did it. How can it be that in the 3-4 years of my life that I was with him, didn't he think that? I knew he could be a great player, that's for sure, but from there to win 20 Grand Slams ... And I think he will win more. The good thing for me is that I have been a small part of his history, and not so many people have worked with him".

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Dorochenko: 'Federer inventa; puede jugar hasta los 40 años'

Paul Dorochenko reconoce en una entrevista que acabó cansado de Federer. Una charla en la que muestra luces y sombras del suizo.
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Wow
 
I agree. At 38 he was one point away from being the only to beat back to back Djokovic and Nadal at a Slam. One of the hardest tasks in this sport.
 
He is too inconsistent. Especially on backhand side. I don't understand why he slimmed down after around 05-06 and lost all the power in his legs. He was so strong as a teen as opposed to Nadal. Since then they have trained completely different. Nadal got stronger, Fed skinnier thinking that would help. He could no longer use his strong legs for power. Had to arm everything. Go to YouTube you can see how his groundstrokes changed
 
The challenge will be remaining healthy and fit for two weeks. In terms of his level of play of course he can win it.
 
Recovery time over a two week event is his biggest challenge, besides Novak or Rafa or Tsitsipas or ...
 
Part of that interview:

"- I came from boxing, I was an amateur boxer in France, and Federer kept jokingly hitting me, and one day I told him: "I'm going to shove you against a wall, and your nose is fat, but you will be even fatter" . I ended up tired of it. We had a good relationship, but he was complicated. He was not aware of his limits, of when to stop. He had something, I don't know ... One day he said to me about his nose: "I don't have it very pretty, but when I'm number one in the world they won't look at it."

"When he was 20 we were talking to Peter Lundgren to start traveling, and the same week I had an offer from Sergi Bruguera who had just returned after an operation. His offer was much better, more money, living in Barcelona ... And I was so tired of Federer that I decided to leave. "

The "something" Dorochenko mentions has a name: aspergers.

The player the medias attempt to portray as a model has aspergers, and according to many former players, is "crazy", and... cheap !

"- He attracts attention, because he is now considered a gentleman ...

Yes, but that has been manufactured, it is not his personality. "
"- The truth is that he was a very complicated boy, with character, hyperactive, he was half crazy and he is still private. "
 
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"his wife, who is an ambitious person, who comes from Czechoslovakia, likes money, power, and in the end she has protected Federer a lot, he has made a bubble where Federer was only for tennis "

I've posted this many times: Federer's demeanour changed totally for the worse around 2005, and i said it was Mirka's influence.

People immediately mocked me and looked to shut me up.
 
Gerco said:
Former Roger´s fitness trainer, Paul Dorochenko, said he thinks Federer can achieve that goal. He also said 10 years ago that Roger would still be playing into his 40´s.

Interview in Spanish by Sebastian Torok for ESPN

www.espn.com.ar

"Federer puede ganar Wimbledon con 43 años" - ESPN Video

Su preparador físico en los arranques, Dorochenko, confía en el futuro de Su Majestad.
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he wasted two consecutive championship points last year (2019)
 
terribleIVAN said:
"his wife, who is an ambitious person, who comes from Czechoslovakia, likes money, power, and in the end she has protected Federer a lot, he has made a bubble where Federer was only for tennis "

I've posted this many times: Federer's demeanour changed totally for the worse around 2005, and i said it was Mirka's influence.

People immediately mocked me and looked to shut me up.
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When all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

And I guess when you have Aspergers yourself, you see signs of Aspergers in everyone
 
The intensity of his portrayal of Fed as this sort of fake public person is a little over the top as it comes out in the translation to me.

Obviously there is a difference between how you act in public and how you might act in your home.

But it seems interesting that Paul Annocone, Sevrin, Stefan Edberg, Lubjik, and players like Stan, Roddick, and Rafa.. people very close to him as coaches and the players who might classify as friends, don't have this kind of negative slant.

I wonder how much of it was Fed just being an immature kid, still growing up in a very strange world in the limelight...and also how much was this trainer himself just being kind of a grouch.
 
Federev said:
I wonder how much of it was Fed just being an immature kid, still growing up in a very strange world in the limelight...and also how much was this trainer himself just being kind of a grouch.
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Wonder no more: straight from Fed's father's mouth:

"Passionate about tennis from his earliest age, Roger Federer is one of the greatest the sport has ever seen. The road to success and the world top 10 has not been easy though. Indeed, his early years were marked by temper tantrums on the court, earning him the nickname “Little Devil”.

Roger Federer was very hot headed. He struggled to keep his composure when things did not go his way. In the online magazine Slate, his father recalls that “defeats were absolute disasters for him. And when he didn’t like something, he could become very aggressive. Dices from board games would fly around the room.”

The Swiss champion had a habit of breaking his rackets. As Christopher Freyss, Federer’s coach between the age of 14 and 16, told L’Equipe, “He wasn’t a tennis prodigy. From his technique, footwork and attitude, it was impossible to imagine he would become such a great champion (…) He wasn’t stable, and was very impulsive on the court.”

At school, Federer was no role model either. He lacked discipline and motivation and would even fall asleep in class. Although his sole ambition was to become a professional tennis player, his attitude was not an encouraging sign for the talented Swiss player."

sprintbok.com

Federer, from zero to hero | Sprintbok

Roger Federer is one of the greatest tennis players of all time. However his road to success was not easy and the legend he became was difficult to foresee.
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terribleIVAN said:
Wonder no more: straight from Fed's father's mouth:

"Passionate about tennis from his earliest age, Roger Federer is one of the greatest the sport has ever seen. The road to success and the world top 10 has not been easy though. Indeed, his early years were marked by temper tantrums on the court, earning him the nickname “Little Devil”.

Roger Federer was very hot headed. He struggled to keep his composure when things did not go his way. In the online magazine Slate, his father recalls that “defeats were absolute disasters for him. And when he didn’t like something, he could become very aggressive. Dices from board games would fly around the room.”

The Swiss champion had a habit of breaking his rackets. As Christopher Freyss, Federer’s coach between the age of 14 and 16, told L’Equipe, “He wasn’t a tennis prodigy. From his technique, footwork and attitude, it was impossible to imagine he would become such a great champion (…) He wasn’t stable, and was very impulsive on the court.”

At school, Federer was no role model either. He lacked discipline and motivation and would even fall asleep in class. Although his sole ambition was to become a professional tennis player, his attitude was not an encouraging sign for the talented Swiss player."

sprintbok.com

Federer, from zero to hero | Sprintbok

Roger Federer is one of the greatest tennis players of all time. However his road to success was not easy and the legend he became was difficult to foresee.
sprintbok.com sprintbok.com
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man - and folks give Novak a hard time for his on court anger! He’s probably a saint next to where Fed was headed.

Just think how Roger would be today if Srdan has raised him!

“Old Devil”??
 
Well, the truth is Fed's still just as immature as in his younger days, but he just pretends because NIKE gives him a lot of money that Mirka wants.

You can fool the public, but not your former coaches and juniors.
 
terribleIVAN said:
Well, the truth is Fed's still just as immature as in his younger days, but he just pretends because NIKE gives him a lot of money that Mirka wants.

You can fool the public, but not your former coaches and juniors.
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Because people never grow up and always stay the same as they were as teenagers, right?
 
terribleIVAN said:
Well, the truth is Fed's still just as immature as in his younger days, but he just pretends because NIKE gives him a lot of money that Mirka wants.

You can fool the public, but not your former coaches and juniors.
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Ivan, are you serious?

...maybe you’re the one being fooled?

This guy apparently hasn’t been close to Fed since he was in his teens and early 20s.

Feds almost 40 w 4 kids and a wife.

Anyone who’s gone from 20 to 40 w marriage and kids knows it corresponds to massive changes.

Even his dad knows.

None of his former coaches or his current ones talk like this guy. Annacone and Edberg speak glowingly of Fed. Sev and Lub speak well of him - not that that tells us much, but it’s not favoring this guy.

Stan and Roddick and Rafa call him friend and he’s won the sportsmanship award voted on by the rest of his ATP peers for like 13 years or something crazy like that.

None of us really know Roger, amd while I’m sure he’s not perfect by any stretch, as for who Fed is now - this guy doesn’t have the knowledge or the evidence in his favor by any means.
 
REKX said:
He definitely can with a favourable draw, avoiding Djokovic/Nadal. No new player is showing any domination, especially on grass.
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Why does he need to avoid Nadal?

terribleIVAN said:
Well, the truth is Fed's still just as immature as in his younger days, but he just pretends because NIKE gives him a lot of money that Mirka wants.

You can fool the public, but not your former coaches and juniors.
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Nike still pays him? News to me.
 
Federev said:
Ivan, are you serious?

...maybe you’re the one being fooled?

This guy apparently hasn’t been close to Fed since he was in his teens and early 20s.

Feds almost 40 w 4 kids and a wife.

Anyone who’s gone from 20 to 40 w marriage and kids knows it corresponds to massive changes.

Even his dad knows.

None of his former coaches or his current ones talk like this guy. Annacone and Edberg speak glowingly of Fed. Sev and Lub speak well of him - not that that tells us much, but it’s not favoring this guy.

Stan and Roddick and Rafa call him friend and he’s won the sportsmanship award voted on by the rest of his ATP peers for like 13 years or something crazy like that.

None of us really know Roger, amd while I’m sure he’s not perfect by any stretch, as for who Fed is now - this guy doesn’t have the knowledge or the evidence in his favor by any means.
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This coach’s comments seem like sour grapes. Sounds like Fed ditched him not long before he started really being successful and this guy is bitter about it.
 
Federev said:
Ivan, are you serious?

...maybe you’re the one being fooled?
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No, you and a sizeable portion of the public are being fooled by the money spinning machine of the MSM, which censures any criticism of Federer because he represents a sizeable industry.

Llodra made the exact same comments as Dorochenko, and i don't think anyone can accuse of him of sour grapes.
 
terribleIVAN said:
No, you and a sizeable portion of the public are being fooled by the money spinning machine of the MSM, which censures any criticism of Federer because he represents a sizeable industry.

Llodra made the exact same comments as Dorochenko, and i don't think anyone can accuse of him of sour grapes.
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You mean this quote from Llorda last year?

“I make my son, who plays tennis, look at Roger. His footwork, it seems he walks on eggs. Roger is a good friend, we grew up together. Well, at some point he was faster than me (laughter). It's so nice, crazy.”

What’s the big secret? That when Roger was an immature impulsive kid he acted like an immature impulsive kid? Roger and His Dad tell us that.

Nobody here knows what Roger is like in private dude. Certainly not you and I.
 
Federev said:
What’s the big secret? That when Roger was an immature impulsive kid he acted like an immature impulsive kid? Roger and His Dad tell us that.
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The big secret is that contrary to what the media, Mirka, Nike and Roger wants us to believe, just the fact of being successful, in itself, doesn't necessarily imply being a role model.

One knows the true character of a person when he faces adversity, not when things go his way.

And we saw what happens then.
 
terribleIVAN said:
The big secret is that contrary to what the media, Mirka, Nike and Roger wants us to believe, just the fact of being successful, in itself, doesn't necessarily imply being a role model.

One knows the true character of a person when he faces adversity, not when things go his way.

And we saw what happens then.
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Yeah - Fed’s renown for just caving in and giving up. He would never keep at something that’s always hard for him until he finally overcomes it like he has done with his greatest rival and like he’s doing w his other great rival into his 40th year.

And we know how often he retires from matches thus proving his weenus character.

Ok - well... I’m done. ...just gone leave this right here.

We clearly disagree completely.

But I don’t wanna keep going back and forth.

take care
 
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Would anyone be surprised if Roger came back from another layoff, and wins another Wimbledon or US Open out of nowhere.
 
Honestly, this is not surprising at all of a take. He will probably lower the amount he plays more and more (maybe only FO his last year). One point away from winning Wimbledon and made AO semi-finals while injured.

I think he’s got one more slam in him. AO and Wimby are realistic shots, while FO is not (though he’s proven he can go far for nice rankings points) and USO and WTF he is too tired by the end of the year.
 
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