Double break at 3-4 top grommets

2nd Serve Ace

Hall of Fame
So this is on a Bab PD 115 with a seriously worn down bumper. Like into the graphite in some areas.

Did 1.32 syngut @ 55 and customer sends me a picture of it breaking first time out hitting at exactly the top of the 3/4 grommet loop on both sides!

I've strung this frame before no issue, so its very perplexing to me what the issue is. Any insight appreciated.
 

esgee48

G.O.A.T.
Image would help, but several possibilities exist:
Customer shanked the ball at the tip
Clamps may have nicked the strings
Customer scraped the ground and exposed strings .... unlikely since both sides
Grommet tubes up there are damaged, in which case, you tube the grommet holes
Possible damage due to Starting clamp, tho unlikely

FWIW, do you mean the Drive 115? There is no Pure Drive 115 AFAIK.
 

Irvin

Talk Tennis Guru
So this is on a Bab PD 115 with a seriously worn down bumper. Like into the graphite in some areas.

Did 1.32 syngut @ 55 and customer sends me a picture of it breaking first time out hitting at exactly the top of the 3/4 grommet loop on both sides!

I've strung this frame before no issue, so its very perplexing to me what the issue is. Any insight appreciated.
If the grommet is worn down so the string is hitting the court or graphite is showing through, you should inform the client of the consequences. If they still want it strung knowing what can happen you should not be held responsible for any breakage that occurs.
 

2nd Serve Ace

Hall of Fame
Got frame back and, like I expected, two deep ground down drag scars on both sides across the loops that broke!

Still trying to figure out pictures w/o tapatalk :(

Yes it is Drive 115 in white/black/purple. Would current drive G grommets fit that?
 

esgee48

G.O.A.T.
You should ask TW, but there is no FSI tech in the Drive 115, so it may fit. [see below]

edit: just did a search and there are 2 different part numbers for Drive 115 grommets - Drive G 115 vs Drive 2018/2019 115. TW does not have this grommet set, but they are available online. Seller says that the sets are compatible, but they have different part numbers. {scratch head with claws}

I would not redo the frame for free. Client knew the consequences and did not try to fix. When you replace the grommets, check the frame to see that there is no further damage underneath. If there is, time for epoxy or super glue.
 
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2nd Serve Ace

Hall of Fame
We agreed to a discounted price. I guess he'll put headtape on it or just be careful since he bypassed the new grommet suggestion.

Anyway, thanks for the help!
 

dak95_00

Hall of Fame
It annoys me to no end when people bring me a racquet worm into the frame. It equally amazes me when they are surprised to learn that bumpers and grommets can be replaced.

I should just start selling new racquets to these people.

I let them know in advance there are no guarantees on strings in frames like the OP described.

My other favorite is the guy who comes back a year later and is disappointed his synthetic gut broke. WTF? I let them know I break strings like that in 2 hours and if they want them to last longer they should either stop playing or quit hitting the ball so hard. Ugh!
 

Irvin

Talk Tennis Guru
Replacing the grommets is cheaper than 2 string jobs. Replacing the grommets is a hell of a lot cheaper than replacing the racket and strings. What amazes me is when people put head tape on the racket, wear completely though it, and still wonder why the string breaks shortly afterwards.
 

Humbi_HTX

Rookie
As a rec player myself, I have encountered many frames that I have been asked to string and the head guard is worn to the point of almost all gone and the edges of the frame have been damaged and scraped badly. The biggest problem is that they are usually old frames that are hard to find the grommet set available, and even if its available the owner does not want to spend $25 for the parts.

Recently strung a 6.1 95 team18x20 that I gave up figuring out the right grommet set and Wilson customer service was not helpful at all to find out if this was parallel drilling or not. More than 3 emails and still could not get a straight answer. I also strung a radical microgel mp 18x20 that had damaged grommets, it cut my poly string twice, after the owner said he did not want to spend the money on the grommets I just tubed it and gave him no warranty because he is aware of what did happen and what can happen.

 

esgee48

G.O.A.T.
FITTEX can be used to replace tie off tubes. Tubing also works, but is not as neat. :D I will not warrant any string job if the frame shows a lot of damage. In some cases, I will not even attempt to string it.
 

LocNetMonster

Professional
Restrung a racquet for a mate in a doubles group for free to get some experience on tubing. A bunch of grommets pegs were cracked/missing in his favorite old racquet. No chance of getting a new kit, they aren't available any more. Whoever strung before me tubed three holes and there were another seven or so that were cracked that needed. What a pain, but at least I have a good idea of what to charge him the next time.

In February, strung a stick for a guy who broke the strings three weeks later. He thought I should redo it for free. Nah. Showed him the head guard and how the string protruded. I told him he could use head tape, but he likely do the same thing in about the same time since he uses his racquet as a shovel a lot. End up ordering new head guard, installing it and restringing - then COVID hit.
 

LocNetMonster

Professional
Replacing the grommets is cheaper than 2 string jobs. Replacing the grommets is a hell of a lot cheaper than replacing the racket and strings. What amazes me is when people put head tape on the racket, wear completely though it, and still wonder why the string breaks shortly afterwards.
People will have the oil change every 3000 miles but won't pay $15 every couple of years to keep their racquet in good condition.
 

2nd Serve Ace

Hall of Fame
Just as a follow up from the customer: he broke the 2nd restring in 45 minutes as well.

But given the total lack of HG and the exposed loop, I knew it would happen!

He finally had to buy a new frame.

PS: think I figured out how to do pictures :)
 

esgee48

G.O.A.T.
That's not all he needed. Tell him to buy (or I would go ahead and order) five grommet kits for his new stick. That should cover him for two years :laughing::oops:
I tell scrapers like that all the time to get grommet sets once they have settled on a frame. All my remaining recurring clients are rational people and have their own grommet stashes. It is the one offs that create problems for me since they will not get grommets. I just refuse to do the frame the next time they ask.
 
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