NawImNate
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Apparently not, and now has dropped to 200+ rank
Double Standard by Serena Williams & Alexander Zverev
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NonP
Legend
I don't mind alienating those I see as hopeless, and I've been here long enough for regulars to know what I'm like. It's been working out pretty well for me!
Agreed 100% on your last sentence. The problem is that many fail or refuse to do so, and it's fair to call them out for it.
Last I checked the ITF is the GS governing body for both men and women and similar rules govern the ATP and the WTA. Also Serena was asked about the Zverev incident and how the ATP's reaction to it compares with the WTA's to her own outbursts. If she "made it about her" that's because she was the subject of the interview. Nice try!
The_Mental_Giant
Hall of Fame
She will never do anything wrong, she is black and she is female..
AgassiSuperSlam11
Hall of Fame
The Zverev situation and domestic abuse allegations are serious. However, there has never been any criminal complaint or civil claim filed. The ATP can investigate and make their own determination. They can check on corroborating medical evidence (any fractures, tears, bruises, Cervical/Lumbar herniations or bulges?). Examine witnesses and look at pictures, but the man has never suffered any criminal or civil liability. If they suspend him for months there will be appeals.
On the reporter known as "Ben" he isn't aways the most credible and impartial reporter. In fact, some of his tweets about Serena were very close to bigotry. He once mocked Nadal for his English. Nadal said something like "Thiem is a good human person" (paraphrasing) and Benny seem to mock it. The fact remains that Nadal's first languages were Catalan and Spanish. English is easier for people in Madrid and Barcelona that get much more English programming. Why does Novak speak Italian? That part of the world gets Italian programming and TV. In fact, many Albanians can speak Italian, Serbian, and even Macedonian. Nadal speaks Spanish, Catalan, Italian, English, and is conversant in French, but not enough linguistic skills for Ben.
Ben's excellent journalistic skills were demonstrated when he asked Kyrgios and Kokkinakis "how often they smacked each other in their behinds?" In addition, he asked British Tennis player Emman Raducanu what was the occupation of her parents? What the bleep does that have to do with Tennis?
Not a Zverev apologist, but we also must ask questions about some of the so-called "journalists" who are coming after him.
On the reporter known as "Ben" he isn't aways the most credible and impartial reporter. In fact, some of his tweets about Serena were very close to bigotry. He once mocked Nadal for his English. Nadal said something like "Thiem is a good human person" (paraphrasing) and Benny seem to mock it. The fact remains that Nadal's first languages were Catalan and Spanish. English is easier for people in Madrid and Barcelona that get much more English programming. Why does Novak speak Italian? That part of the world gets Italian programming and TV. In fact, many Albanians can speak Italian, Serbian, and even Macedonian. Nadal speaks Spanish, Catalan, Italian, English, and is conversant in French, but not enough linguistic skills for Ben.
Ben's excellent journalistic skills were demonstrated when he asked Kyrgios and Kokkinakis "how often they smacked each other in their behinds?" In addition, he asked British Tennis player Emman Raducanu what was the occupation of her parents? What the bleep does that have to do with Tennis?
Not a Zverev apologist, but we also must ask questions about some of the so-called "journalists" who are coming after him.
I Am Finnish
Bionic Poster
*dead*
Poisoned Slice
Bionic Poster
Aabye5
G.O.A.T.
Or because of fame...
Rafa4LifeEver
G.O.A.T.
In a honesty I do think that serena is trying to play a victim card here but facts are against her.
Serena Williams: 'I would probably be in jail' for Zverev outburst
Serena Williams said she would have faced far harsher punishment had she engaged in similar behaviour to Alexander Zverev, who was thrown out of a tournament for unsportsmanlike conduct.www.dailymail.co.uk
She got away with far worse.Serena Williams: 'I would probably be in jail' for Zverev outburst
Serena Williams said she would have faced far harsher punishment had she engaged in similar behaviour to Alexander Zverev, who was thrown out of a tournament for unsportsmanlike conduct.
ChaelAZ
G.O.A.T.
victorcruz
Hall of Fame
Imagine if Serena did this????? 
AgassiSuperSlam11
Hall of Fame
Imagine if Serena did this?????
Don't know what would happen? We all remember that her sister Venus accidentally got the ball boy in the same spot with her serve. Federer thought it was funny and even used the GIF on his twitter account. The poor boy was grimacing in pain.
gogo
Legend
I don't agree with Serena, as I think her behaviour was terrible.
But I don't agree that Pliskova 'did exactly the same thing as Zverev'. Pliskova's behaviour was clearly unacceptable, but she was hitting the base of the stand. Zverev was hitting toward the ref with clear intimidation and close to assault.
I can't believe he wasn't suspended!
Zverev hit with force his racket aimed at the chair.
Used his racket to smash the chair where the official was sitting.
If his swing was as off as his second serves can be, would have physically hurt the official.
You do not smash your racket in anger at the chair where someone is sitting deliberately.
How is that not an egregious and deliberate act?
Who cares that the match was over and it’s a relatively minor tournament?
Used his racket to smash the chair where the official was sitting.
If his swing was as off as his second serves can be, would have physically hurt the official.
You do not smash your racket in anger at the chair where someone is sitting deliberately.
How is that not an egregious and deliberate act?
Who cares that the match was over and it’s a relatively minor tournament?
Sampras-Bruguera 1993
Legend
How can anyone stand this woman?
deaner2211
Semi-Pro
deaner2211
Semi-Pro
Why not she is the greatest player ever. I like her better than I like crybaby Fed.
BeatlesFan
Bionic Poster
40 year old Fed could tumble out of bed at 2:00 am having not hit a single ball in 10 months and double bagel her while wearing an eye patch. Hell, so could a middle-ranked 19 year old no-name college player. Ryan Harrison would destroy her in 35 minutes. But she's "the greatest player ever..."
gogo
Legend
40 year old Fed could tumble out of bed at 2:00 am having not hit a single ball in 10 months and double bagel her while wearing an eye patch. Hell, so could a middle-ranked 19 year old no-name college player. Ryan Harrison would destroy her in 35 minutes. But she's "the greatest player ever..."
I don't think that's relevant.
Come on BeatlesFan. She stands out more compared to other women tennis players than Fed did against males. Don't get me wrong, I still have concerns about her behaviour.
Sad that you took this stance. (And I'm not a Serena apologist.)
The ATP and WTA are funny organizations. Everyone talks about that Serena incident. Mostly because it was such a big match and she was so well known. But almost every week especially on the ATP tour someone goes berserk somewhere. Could be in the second round of a challenger or the first round of some minor tournament and people don't bat an eye. I mean Serena was going for a grand slam, she had all this pressure on her and she collapsed. Zev went berserk in a doubles round at a 500 in Mexico.
An early round Doubles match in Acapulco brings a lot of unimaginable pressure.
No wonder Zverev cracked.
As did his racket.
NeutralFan
G.O.A.T.
That inc3ls and COPETOW hate
RaulRamirez
Legend
I'm sure that - along the way - Serena and her family have been victims of racism.
All of that is deplorable, and I'm completely with her there.
Having said that, I don't think she was treated harshly - by tennis officials - on either of her notorious
US Open outbursts -- against Clijsters or against Osaka. She seemed to even get some leeway.
I think Zverev deserves a greater suspension than what he received, but don't think Serena
has much to stand on here.
All of that is deplorable, and I'm completely with her there.
Having said that, I don't think she was treated harshly - by tennis officials - on either of her notorious
US Open outbursts -- against Clijsters or against Osaka. She seemed to even get some leeway.
I think Zverev deserves a greater suspension than what he received, but don't think Serena
has much to stand on here.
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Service Ace
Hall of Fame
Only on this forum would some of you despicable low IQs say verbal threats are worse than actual physical threats lol
clayqueen
Talk Tennis Guru
I was disgusted with Serena’s behaviour against Osaka. There was no excuse for her to feel so entitled that she couldn’t handle losing to anyone. I still remember the shabby treatment Osaka got from the USTA people at the presentation ceremony because they were so angry at Osaka for daring to beat Serena and actually said it wasn’t the result they wanted. Very similar to the behaviour of Tennis Australia when Rafa confounded a well laid out plan for Federer to lift the trophy in 2009.
Having said that, Serena hasn’t done anything close to what Zverev did in Acapulco.
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Because how could he be any kind of a threat to anyone....doesn't fit the TWW "profile" of a violent individual.
RaulRamirez
Legend
Physically (or potentially so with regard to Zverev)? No.
But her language versus the line judge in the Clijsters match and attacks on Ramos (and her lack of respect for Osaka in that process) in some ways was worse.
Thriller
Hall of Fame
After a disgusting and deliberately erroneous foot fault call at a pivotal moment in a slam final, Serena made a 'threat' to suffocate a line judge with a tennis ball. A 'threat' about as credible as 'I swear I will beat you to death with a dinosaur'.
This behaviour was totally inexcusable. However it was front page news everywhere, calls for her to be prosecuted, calls to ban her completely from tennis were widespread, ending up in the biggest fine in GS history and 2 years of probation.
Two things are going on. Too many people are still brought up to think that women should be the fairer sex, the gentler sex, sugar and spice and all things nice. These people, men and women, have a huge problem with female aggression and can't cope with a woman openly expressing her rage. They can barely cope with a strong, muscular woman hitting the ball much harder than they could ever have done, or 'shrieking' aggressively, let alone cope with a black woman totally losing her temper.
Anywhere else in the world, if Serena did a Zverev I believe it would have been treated as a tennis matter. If she had done it in the country of George Floyd, she has a very good point. At the very least she would have been arrested. I have no doubt about that whatsoever.
This behaviour was totally inexcusable. However it was front page news everywhere, calls for her to be prosecuted, calls to ban her completely from tennis were widespread, ending up in the biggest fine in GS history and 2 years of probation.
Two things are going on. Too many people are still brought up to think that women should be the fairer sex, the gentler sex, sugar and spice and all things nice. These people, men and women, have a huge problem with female aggression and can't cope with a woman openly expressing her rage. They can barely cope with a strong, muscular woman hitting the ball much harder than they could ever have done, or 'shrieking' aggressively, let alone cope with a black woman totally losing her temper.
Anywhere else in the world, if Serena did a Zverev I believe it would have been treated as a tennis matter. If she had done it in the country of George Floyd, she has a very good point. At the very least she would have been arrested. I have no doubt about that whatsoever.
deaner2211
Semi-Pro
Explain how a fine of 175k and a 2 year probation is leeway?
Rattler
Hall of Fame
Serena Williams: 'I would probably be in jail' for Zverev outburst
Serena Williams said she would have faced far harsher punishment had she engaged in similar behaviour to Alexander Zverev, who was thrown out of a tournament for unsportsmanlike conduct.
translation….
“I’m just trying so hard to stay relevant, and keep my marketability up”
Rattler
Hall of Fame
what she said to Carlos Ramos was “Textbook verbal abuse” under the ITF guidelines.
BTW both Serena & Zverev got off easy.
RaulRamirez
Legend
Right, She called him a thief and a liar, and just relentlessly baited him.
I agree that they both got off easy.
Who's to say which was worse.
Rabbit
G.O.A.T.
There's a good reason for that: she's not.
RaulRamirez
Legend
I see no reason to impute her intelligence; I just find her very self-centered.
Now, one could counter by saying that all top athletes - especially in team sports - are self-centered.
To a degree, maybe, But my all-time favorite person in tennis, the late, great Arthur Ashe, was hardly self-centered.
Ashe was interested in the world, intellectual and truly thought about how his statements and actions affected others.
Yep, I'm old enough to remember him.
Sudacafan
Bionic Poster
And made a scandal shouting to an umpire calling him a liar, and demanding an apology for doing his work.
Yell at the umpire by calling him a thief and a liar, and pointing the finger right in front of his face. That's very abusive/insulting and why she received 3 code violations.
ArcspacE
G.O.A.T.
Read her pathetic self pity article - she played the race again
ArcspacE
G.O.A.T.
HahahhahahahahhaahhahahahahahahhahahahahahahahhahahahahahhahahahhahahaHahahaahahhaha
I always thought Youzny did the worse racket abuse, and should have been suspended for hurting himself, an ATP player.
RaulRamirez
Legend
I remember that - masochistic and a bit psycho.I always thought Youzny did the worse racket abuse, and should have been suspended for hurting himself, an ATP player.
A high school teammate of mine would occasionally do a head bang - just one, and no blood as I recall.
deaner2211
Semi-Pro
What a stupid reply should I clarify it for you? She is the greatest female tennis player ever. You feel better now?40 year old Fed could tumble out of bed at 2:00 am having not hit a single ball in 10 months and double bagel her while wearing an eye patch. Hell, so could a middle-ranked 19 year old no-name college player. Ryan Harrison would destroy her in 35 minutes. But she's "the greatest player ever..."
Rattie
Legend
Don’t hold your breath
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