doubles line calling complaining/overruling

Tdub

New User
Not enough players appreciate how much better a "down the line" view is for making a line call. When ppl talk of others' bad line calls they more often make no mention of the particular view the line caller had, as compared to the questioners/complainers view. Too often the partner of a serve receiver calls the serve out (on the serve baseline) and the serve receiver overrules him and says it's in, or the opponents verbally complain. The reason the latter complain+overrule is more often because they're looking across the line and not down the line, and are therefore in no position to make a close but accurate line call on the serve base line. The USTA Code assigns responsibility for this call to the receiver's partner for good reason. And tournaments hire TEN line judges to make calls looking down (not across) each relevant line, rather than having just a couple judges make line calls all over the court, regardless of their view.
 

SystemicAnomaly

Bionic Poster
Not enough players appreciate how much better a "down the line" view is for making a line call. When ppl talk of others' bad line calls they more often make no mention of the particular view the line caller had, as compared to the questioners/complainers view. Too often the partner of a serve receiver calls the serve out (on the serve baseline) and the serve receiver overrules him and says it's in, or the opponents verbally complain. The reason the latter complain+overrule is more often because they're looking across the line and not down the line, and are therefore in no position to make a close but accurate line call on the serve base line. The USTA Code assigns responsibility for this call to the receiver's partner for good reason. And tournaments hire TEN line judges to make calls looking down (not across) each relevant line, rather than having just a couple judges make line calls all over the court, regardless of their view.
@Kevind

It’s actually not as straightforward as you might think. The RP will often have the best perspective —because they are looking DTL.

However, if the RP is turning their head or moving their eyes as the ball is bouncing, their ability to make an accurate call is extremely poor. The SP and other players on the court do not usually need to turn their head to make this call.

If the RP is tracking the ball all the way from the server’s racquet to its bounce location, they are probably moving their head or eyes as the ball is bouncing — this is a serious mistake that players often make. Certified linespersons are taught to STOP following the ball and, instead, fixate on the line (keeping the head still) any time they see that ball appears to be headed toward the line they are calling. Studies have shown that line callers who are trying to track the ball and are moving their head or eyes as the ball is bouncing will make poor calls a high % of the time.

Those who make line calls must get their eyes to the line BEFORE the ball bounces so that their head & eyes are “quiet” (not moving). This is what certified linespersons are trained to do.

The other issue that an RP might encounter is a proximity problem. They may be too close to the bounce location in some situations. This would cause the ball to traverse their field of vision too quickly for their smooth pursuit tracking to keep up. This often happens when the RP is standing relatively close to the line they are calling. Or it happens when the ball bounces fairly close to the inside corner. In this case, the RP might be a few feet (or 1 meter) from the bounce location.

Note that official linespersons are never this close to the bounce / line they are calling. No close proximity in this case. The visual tracking system of these linespersons should easily be able to picking up ball and its motion if it bounces close to the part of the line they are fixated on.
 
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SystemicAnomaly

Bionic Poster
Another other thing... Pro linespersons will watch the ball in play long enough to see what direction it is moving. So, if the ball appears to be headed toward the line they are calling, they will know what PART of the line to fixate on. (But not sure if the person calling the back service line will necessarily track the ball at all since their line is relatively short).

A lot of the info I posted in #3 was gleaned from talking with several certified linespersons -- I believe they all had called lines at the US Open. The info in this current post came from @woodrow1029 who had been a chair umpire for a while. I believe he had also called lines at the US Open in the past.
 

tennis3

Hall of Fame
It's funny to me that it's no longer OK to ask your opponents to make a line call if they have a better view.

In a Doubles match last year, I'm playing Deuce side and I'm back. Opponent hits a shot down the line on the other side of me. My partner can't make the call. I can tell from the way my opponent reacted that he missed, but being so far away and because of the view I have, there is no way I can say it 100% missed.

I ask my opponent if he saw it in or out. He and his partner basically start yelling at me for even asking the question. They say it's my call and if I can't make the call I have to call it in. I agree and say I am giving them the point because I can't say for sure. But tell the guy that hit the shot that he can overrule my call and give us the point if he saw it out. He get's even angrier and says he can't believe I'd ask him to make the call and that this is completely inappropriate. So I just OK, the point is yours.

I wanted to ask him what he would have said if I had called the ball out. Would he have just accepted my call without comment? Or would he have then had an opinion on where he thought the ball landed?
 

SystemicAnomaly

Bionic Poster
It's funny to me that it's no longer OK to ask your opponents to make a line call if they have a better view.

In a Doubles match last year, I'm playing Deuce side and I'm back. Opponent hits a shot down the line on the other side of me. My partner can't make the call. I can tell from the way my opponent reacted that he missed, but being so far away and because of the view I have, there is no way I can say it 100% missed.

I ask my opponent if he saw it in or out. He and his partner basically start yelling at me for even asking the question. They say it's my call and if I can't make the call I have to call it in. I agree and say I am giving them the point because I can't say for sure. But tell the guy that hit the shot that he can overrule my call and give us the point if he saw it out. He get's even angrier and says he can't believe I'd ask him to make the call and that this is completely inappropriate. So I just OK, the point is yours.

I wanted to ask him what he would have said if I had called the ball out. Would he have just accepted my call without comment? Or would he have then had an opinion on where he thought the ball landed?
People! Who needs them? The world would be a much better place without people.

Seriously, I don’t understand the attitude of players like the opponents you described. Was this a high stakes match? Were these players that you knew well? It sounds like they might have known their shot was out but they wanted you to admit that you could not make that determination so you would be obligated to give them the point. Ugly gamesmanship.

We’ve often asked opponents what they saw with regards to their own shot and then abide by their call. Most, but not all, people we’ve played have integrity and make honest calls.
 

Chas Tennis

G.O.A.T.
One important factor is - if the ball bounce blocks one player from directly seeing the space between the ball and line, it is more difficult for that player to see out. Someone on the other side of that same bounce can see the space between the ball and line. Often important in doubles with 2 players.

Another is in doubles when a server serves to AD side and the ball is just out near the T. The server can truely believe that it was in because from the server's side of the court the ball and line appear together in his vision over some distance, but his judgement on where the served ball bounces from across the court is not accurate. In that case, the receiver has a better view of the 'out' space than his partner. I have seen hot disagreements on that call, where the server is certain that he has been cheated, but he wasn't. In one case, after this out call near the T, we placed the ball a bit out and asked the server what he was seeing, he said it was good. Try it. Where the ball was served from also affects how it appears to the server.

If these weak spots for calls and others were more widely known, the players with the more uncertain views would know their chances of errors were more likely. If you cannot see the 'out' space from your position because the ball bounce blocks the 'out' space, be less certain.

They check the pro calls done by line judges viewing along the lines, there are a fair number of mistakes.
 
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