Drug tests catch Olympic athlete eight years late

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pennc94 said:
Olympics would still be a showcase of athletes. Only one person can win even if all athletes are on PEDs. Does the sprinter get all the credit now? Isn't he a part of a team with coaches and physios?

The difference between the winner and the others would not necessarily be the PEDs the winner used. There are too many variables. Do you think that 2nd place in 100 meters would have won if he took PEDs?

Well you know tennis cannot have ten number 1 players, but imagine the matches!
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What has Ben Johnson done post 1988? Absolutely nothing. It’s reasonable to assume he was nowhere near the podium in 88 without PED.
Where do you draw the line if you remove the human factor out the competition and let science dictate the results? Bionic arms, bionic legs?
There is already a guy with no legs running on blades that made it to the semis of a running event. Who knows what will they think of next?
Are you comfortable with that?
 
spacediver said:
I don't follow - generalize about what?

and I'm still baffled that any rational person would argue for maintaining criminalization of marijuana - it makes zero sense. Banning cigarettes and alcohol would be infinitely more rational (yet doing so would promote other problems associated with black market).

But marijuana illegal?? It's one of the safest drugs out there (FAR safer than alcohol and tobacco).
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Keep trying to sell that BS about how safe the hippy lettuce is.
 
volleygirl said:
Keep trying to sell that BS about how safe the hippy lettuce is.
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I think he's "right" in terms of the effects on health in general.

But people will respond differently to any drug (or anything else). You see it in college. Some guys can just smoke a bit in much the same way as some guys can just have a drink or two. But we know plenty of people that can't (or don't) do either moderately.

To generalize (which will get me in trouble), American society is prone to "extremes" as opposed to "moderation".
 
r2473 said:
I think he's "right" in terms of the effects on health in general.

But people will respond differently to any drug (or anything else). You see it in college. Some guys can just smoke a bit in much the same way as some guys can just have a drink or two. But we know plenty of people that can't (or don't) do either moderately.

To generalize (which will get me in trouble), American society is prone to "extremes" as opposed to "moderation".
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So you honestly think a guy would be better off if he smoked a dozen joints a day for a decade than he would if he smoked cigarettes instead? Even the potheads I have known have said they know its frying their braincells.
 
volleygirl said:
So you honestly think a guy would be better off if he smoked a dozen joints a day for a decade than he would if he smoked cigarettes instead? Even the potheads I have known have said they know its frying their braincells.
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Didn't I say something above about moderation?

Are you American by chance :)
 
volleygirl said:
So you honestly think a guy would be better off if he smoked a dozen joints a day for a decade than he would if he smoked cigarettes instead? Even the potheads I have known have said they know its frying their braincells.
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yup, look what it did to this guy :)

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sorry! could not resist ...
 
more like baking our brain cells. you fry on acid. and take a life long pot smoker vs a tobbacoo smoker. yeah smoking pot your whole life will cause problems for your respiratory system, but not nearly to the extent of a tobacco smoker. Tobacco calms you down because the sweet nicotine is giving your brain cells a massage while they cause cancer to anywhere they please.
while THC is very close to a stress relieving chemical that our brain releases. A side effect of this is that we think everything tastes fricken amazing and music sounds great.

anywho i wrote a pretty decent paper on why doping is bad and there should be no tolerance to doping. Well my main point was that it all falls down to the committee to whether or not it's going to work. they have to get a sheet of paper with band drugs and given to players. they have to get over the "little stuff" as in things that can be bought over the counter, like who the heck knew sjfodsjfjdoshfos was in my anti-gas pill, well now im banned from the olympics.

its pretty sad that these athletes and countries go this far to get an edge, but its all about that $$$$, makes the world go around. I read an article something like "let the games be doped" im starting to agree with him, sadly.
 
Marijuana definitely enhances certain activities. Try listening to phish, the grateful dead, or the string cheese incident without weed.

Volley girl: are you for real? Have you smoked marijuana before or known anyone that does? Americans face more danger from things like high-fructose corn syrup or trans fats than from marijuana.
 
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Sort of on-topic:

So now we have a bunch of cheats serving out sentences and coming back to win medals ? Lysenko in Hammer throw (Gold), Turkish girl in 1500m (Gold), and Justin Gatlin (100m bronze).
 
Sentinel said:
David Rudisha breaks own 800 WR 1:40.91
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Wow!! That was awesome.

2008 olympics was won by Kenyan runner Wilfred Bungei in an official time of 1:44.65........a time EVERYONE in the final beat this year.

There were 5 sub 2:43 times.
 
FrisbeeFool said:
Marijuana definitely enhances certain activities. Try listening to phish, the grateful dead, or the string cheese incident without weed.

Volley girl: are you for real? Have you smoked marijuana before or known anyone that does? Americans face more danger from things like high-fructose corn syrup or trans fats than from marijuana.
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Am I for real? because I dont want marijuana legalized you ask me that? No i have never smoked that or even a cigarette and I was still able to play 2 college sports while consuming plenty of high fructose corn syrup.
 
r2473 said:
Wow!! That was awesome.

2008 olympics was won by Kenyan runner Wilfred Bungei in an official time of 1:44.65........a time EVERYONE in the final beat this year.

There were 5 sub 1:43 times.
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The 800 literally made the OG worth it for me. The 5000m final was painfully slow to watch, most city level runners could have run it. Most of the laps in the first 3k were over 70 iirc, pretty much a normal workout for anyone running around 15 minutes for the 5k.
 
Sentinel said:
The 800 literally made the OG worth it for me. The 5000m final was painfully slow to watch, most city level runners could have run it. Most of the laps in the first 3k were over 70 iirc, pretty much a normal workout for anyone running around 15 minutes for the 5k.
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ya, 13:41 isn't very fast for the best athletes in the world.

Dejen Gebremeskel ran a 12:46 last month and ran a 13:41 yesterday for silver. How does that happen?

Isiah Kiplangat Koech ran a 12:48 last month and ran a 13:43 yesterday to finish 5th.

And so on (I actually don't know why that race in Paris was so fast last month, do you?).

It was a weird race to start off SO SLOW.

Now, I'm now sure city level runners could have run the last mile in that race, which was run at the "normal" pace of just over 4 minutes per mile, but to say that amateurs could have kept up with these guys in the beginning is actually true.
 
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r2473 said:
ya, 13:41 isn't very fast for the best athletes in the world.

Dejen Gebremeskel ran a 12:46 last month and ran a 13:41 yesterday for silver. How does that happen?

Isiah Kiplangat Koech ran a 12:48 last month and ran a 13:43 yesterday to finish 5th.

And so on (I actually don't know why that race in Paris was so fast last month, do you?).

It was a weird race to start off SO SLOW.

Now, I'm now sure city level runners could have run the last mile in that race, which was run at the "normal" pace of just over 4 minutes per mile, but to say that amateurs could have kept up with these guys in the beginning is actually true.
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The Ethiopians know they don't have the fastest finishes in the world, they know the Kenyans/Morrocans/Algerians are faster finishers, they know there are some 1500 m runners in there like that Iguider chap.

They saw how the 5000m and 1500m women's races went the previous days, very very slow with fast finishes if i remember. I think a non-African won it ... *shock* lol.

They knew Mo Farah was in there, and would benefit from a slow race.

Bad tactics, if you ask me. No reason to sit behind while someone came in front and slowed the race down.

Or maybe, looking at the fact that no Ethiopian completed the marathon, maybe they peaked early, over-trained, or something.

Damn, Haile should have been there in the marathon !! :( Just as the Brits put Coe in the 1984 1500m even though he failed to qualify.
 
In my search for some good (or at least live athletics forum) I found one called letsrun.com. Lot of discussions on athletes on drugs, and much worse fighting and name-calling than we have here :D

One comment was that the benefits of taking steroids last very long, much after the person has stopped consuming, and the effects have cleared out totally from the system, whereas the effects of EPO are short-lived.

So someone who has served a ban and come back, still has the advantages of having once taken steroids.

Somehow, some of the folks there pronounce Tyson Gay as clean (4th place in 100). They want Makhloufi (1500m winner) stripped so USA gets 1 and 3 place. (He's never tested positive).
 
spacediver said:
Why wouldn't you legalize it in the states?
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Because they've already decided to go down with the 'war on drugs' ship. Do you know how many people have been transformed from harmless cannabis user to hardened criminal via the American prison system?
And reversing the marijuana decision could free that entire demographic back into society, unleashing a blitzkrieg of chaos and anarchy.

volleygirl said:
Am I for real? because I dont want marijuana legalized you ask me that? No i have never smoked that or even a cigarette and I was still able to play 2 college sports while consuming plenty of high fructose corn syrup.
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If you want to begin a debate about marijuana usage vs the obesity epidemic, you've already lost. A million times over.
edit: volleygirl, are you a viewer of FoxNews by chance?
 
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volleygirl said:
Am I for real? because I dont want marijuana legalized you ask me that? No i have never smoked that or even a cigarette and I was still able to play 2 college sports while consuming plenty of high fructose corn syrup.
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I’m with you. I guess it all comes down to personal experiences and risks vs benefits.
For me I’ve seen far more lives (youth) being destroyed by smoking weeds comparing to the benefit of a therapeutic relaxant for some.
As a society, do we really need another brain altering chemical substance as a recreational drug so that we can make ourselves feel good for a relative short while?
In terms of performance or creativity enhancements, it’s hard to say for sure because it’s all in the state of mind. For those who say they perform better smoking weeds, does that mean they do worse without every time?
 
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maleyoyo said:
For me I’ve seen far more lives (youth) being destroyed by smoking weed
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No you haven't. Unless the cannabis bogeyman has laced hard drugs with pot in your neighbourhood for some reason. And if you're suggesting the gateway drug theory, it's been disproven repeatedly.
http://www.alternet.org/story/45535/why_smoking_marijuana_doesn't_make_you_a_junkie
http://www.post-gazette.com/stories...ot-always-path-to-hard-drugs-drug-use-462257/
And to anybody in the know, it's very obvious.

Also, your assertion that marijuana is a "therapeutic relaxant for some" needs a closer exam because the current prescription medication epidemic(which is larger than the previous heroin epidemics and cocaine epidemics combined) could have been 99% averted had medical marijuana been more prominent instead of oxycodone, morphine etc. which are pushed by the pharmaceutical giants. But there's a stigma attached to marijuana that is based only on ignorance and deceit, while at the same time pharms take 100 lives per day in America.

If that doesn't tell you we live in a society that's far removed from truth[in the name of profiteering], nothing ever will.
 
Sander001 said:
No you haven't. Unless the cannabis bogeyman has laced hard drugs with pot in your neighbourhood for some reason. And if you're suggesting the gateway drug theory, it's been disproven repeatedly.
http://www.alternet.org/story/45535/why_smoking_marijuana_doesn't_make_you_a_junkie
http://www.post-gazette.com/stories...ot-always-path-to-hard-drugs-drug-use-462257/
And to anybody in the know, it's very obvious.

Also, your assertion that marijuana is a "therapeutic relaxant for some" needs a closer exam because the current prescription medication epidemic(which is larger than the previous heroin epidemics and cocaine epidemics combined) could have been 99% averted had medical marijuana been more prominent instead of oxycodone, morphine etc. which are pushed by the pharmaceutical giants. But there's a stigma attached to marijuana that is based only on ignorance and deceit, while at the same time pharms take 100 lives per day in America.

If that doesn't tell you we live in a society that's far removed from truth[in the name of profiteering], nothing ever will.
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What’s obvious to me is what happen to the real people I know, not some big pharma conspiracy theories which may or may not be true. Those are facts to me. The sample size might not be large but those facts don’t lie.
For my friends, neighbors, students, colleagues, relatives… smoking weeds has a serious detrimental effect on them on their daily lives, and for some that effect will carry with them for the rest of their lives in a negative way because they couldn’t get out of the habit of ‘getting high’.
What’s obvious to me is using a chemical to force your brain to induce a certain effect can not be good for you in the long run. There’s nothing ‘recreational’ about it.
Yes those weeds are street drugs but that’s what most people want. I’m not sure if people really want the kosher version that may not produce the desired effect which gets progressively worse over time.
Just a guy’s opinion.
 
"big pharma conspiracy theories which may or may not be true"?
Wow, now we know your extraordinary opinions are based on the fact that you haven't seen the news in 15yrs.
But I guess it's more fun for you to form opinions based on far fetched suppositions.
 
Sander001 said:
"big pharma conspiracy theories which may or may not be true"?
Wow, now we know your extraordinary opinions are based on the fact that you haven't seen the news in 15yrs.
But I guess it's more fun for you to form opinions based on far fetched suppositions.
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So for you what’s on the news, it must be true? We tend to read what supports our belief, don’t we?
In this case I rather base my opinions on what happen to real people in real life.
 
Sander001 said:
No you haven't....
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First off, welcome to the boards, stoner.

The problem with your argument is you look at it from the upper middle class, upper class user perspective. The problem is poor people want to get wasted too. They don't have cushy white collar jobs. So the rob and steal to support their use. That's a drain on society - sorry if the truth hurts.

And putting any particulates in your lungs is just bad. This is a tennis board - being healthy sort of goes with the territory.
 
maleyoyo said:
I’m with you. I guess it all comes down to personal experiences and risks vs benefits.
For me I’ve seen far more lives (youth) being destroyed by smoking weeds comparing to the benefit of a therapeutic relaxant for some.
As a society, do we really need another brain altering chemical substance as a recreational drug so that we can make ourselves feel good for a relative short while?
In terms of performance or creativity enhancements, it’s hard to say for sure because it’s all in the state of mind. For those who say they perform better smoking weeds, does that mean they do worse without every time?
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I am with you Maleyoyo but since we dont agree with the potheads who are breaking the law, we are the ones they want to rip on. To insist that pot doesnt negatively effect the users life is laughable in so many cases and its hilarious to see those who try and argue its actually a benefit in their lives.
 
West Coast Ace said:
First off, welcome to the boards, stoner.

The problem with your argument is you look at it from the upper middle class, upper class user perspective. The problem is poor people want to get wasted too. They don't have cushy white collar jobs. So the rob and steal to support their use. That's a drain on society - sorry if the truth hurts.

And putting any particulates in your lungs is just bad. This is a tennis board - being healthy sort of goes with the territory.
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Thank you!

That slice of the argument was used to illuminate that just because something is under the law, doesn't make it necessarily a better choice than something that isn't. Especially in a very conservative nation where values have been radically turned upside down and inside out.
Marijuana is less dangerous than cigarettes, alcohol, prescription drugs, driving your car and unhealthy dietary lifestyles. And less addictive than the former 3. Yes marijuana can be a "drain on society", but let's reach for some perspective here because it's way, way down on the list.

As for tennis and specifically chronic pain as a result of, you're a million times better off consuming some cannabis regularly than getting any of the vast varieties of opioids that doctors often prescribe.
 
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