DST changes

Gary Duane

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How do those of you who go through this experience it? My watch says 3:41, but it's 4:41 AM according to yesterday. I hate this change. It's OK on Sunday, but by Monday it seems like I start work an hour late and then it is forever before I get home. It takes me several days to adapt.

I also don't understand why we still do this. It seems pointless for only about 4 months...
 
We have been waiting on the congress vote for 3months now. Will be voted down eventually.

I dont change my clocks for a few weeks, but have nothing time based to do.

Time is something our internal clocks sync to with the sun, i always felt the time change was to keep us dependant on what they tell us (like an exercise in control). The sun tells the time, not the gov
 
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Daylight saving was invented in war time for obvious reasons, but now it's used to extend leisure time into the evening.

Given that Americans don't really have much of a social life after work, they naturally think it's some sort of government conspiracy.
 
Given that Americans don't really have much of a social life after work, they naturally think it's some sort of government conspiracy.

"Given" is something from the geometry course your now studying online. Its refreshing to see you try to attempt to use it another fashion but your premise is way off.

Your application was spot on, just forgot about the other stuff.

Big bart got a B on this one (modern education rating, he can read).
 
How do those of you who go through this experience it? My watch says 3:41, but it's 4:41 AM according to yesterday. I hate this change. It's OK on Sunday, but by Monday it seems like I start work an hour late and then it is forever before I get home. It takes me several days to adapt.

I also don't understand why we still do this. It seems pointless for only about 4 months...

My home state keeps refusing to use DST, which is crazy because the state next door uses DST. On one street that is right on the border between two states, one side will have shops opening up while the other side are still closed LOL.
 
We have been waiting on the congress vote for 3months now. Will be voted down eventually.

I dont change my clocks for a few weeks, but have nothing time based to do.

Time is something our internal clocks sync to with the sun, i always felt the time change was to keep us dependant on what they tell us (like an exercise in control). The sun tells the time, not the gov


i still have my trusty sundial with me in my backyard!!

fight the corporate!!!!

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Well, I've been working tonight....so it sucks. ;)

I say drop dst. The extra hour of daylight in the evening will be missed.
 
I think working hours should be based on biological clock, not on machine based clock. When you are tired, it is time to rest. When you are sleepy it is time to go to bed. When you are hungry it is time to eat.
 
How do those of you who go through this experience it? My watch says 3:41, but it's 4:41 AM according to yesterday. I hate this change. It's OK on Sunday, but by Monday it seems like I start work an hour late and then it is forever before I get home. It takes me several days to adapt.

I also don't understand why we still do this. It seems pointless for only about 4 months...
Didn't you have a very chaotic sleep pattern? How can a simple hour change screw it up any more? :p

The time change doesn't affect me much, TBH. What bothers me is the jetlag when I fly. Now, that does suck royally. Sometimes it takes me 2 or 3 weeks to get back in shape.

I hear your objections about the time change. In any case, if they keep the same time they should keep Summer time. Nothing is as depressing as it being night time at 5:00 PM. I'd rather get up in the morning when it's dark and then having an additional hour of light.

 
The Brits are 1 h behind rest of Europe anyway.
Yeah, but it is the philosophy of it. When Europe gets to the point that Brussels tells you what you must do in regards to time zones you are doomed. Shouldn't individual countries have the power to decide what is best for their citizens in those matters?
 
Yeah, but it is the philosophy of it. When Europe gets to the point that Brussels tells you what you must do in regards to time zones you are doomed. Shouldn't individual countries have the power to decide what is best for their citizens in those matters?
Norway where I live is not a member of EU. I don’t like EU in many ways and I am happy we aren’t in the union. But I hope that if EU countries goes for this, Norway follows.
I don’t like the time change twice a year, specially when having an infant.
 
My watches, phones and computer auto-adjusts. My cars don't. I have five clocks that I need to change though one is supposed to auto-change but it depends on access to a radio signal.
 
My watches, phones and computer auto-adjusts. My cars don't. I have five clocks that I need to change though one is supposed to auto-change but it depends on access to a radio signal.
I just continue using the same time. I don't fall back or spring forward. I believe in the right to "free time" and will not be bullied into this daylight savings time.

If any one at work complains, I will call them out for "timeist" prejudice. I reserve the right to my time beliefs and should not be judged on it. I choose to identify as a "non-daylight savings timer."

#MyTimeMattersToo
 
Didn't you have a very chaotic sleep pattern? How can a simple hour change screw it up any more? :p
Hold on. It may be chaotic to you. It's natural for me. Teaching starts very late, around 3:30 in the afternoon. I have to be sharp for that, and rested. I only have to be up at noon on Saturday. So I go to be around 5 AM, sleep a few hours, up to do work or things I'm interested in, then some sleep before work. Work, then some sleep after work. It adds up to 8 hours or so. So I'm used to going to sleep around 5 AM, rest around noon, rest after work. If that is disrupted, I have trouble falling asleep. I think we all have rhythms, and time changes disrupt them.
The time change doesn't affect me much, TBH. What bothers me is the jetlag when I fly. Now, that does suck royally. Sometimes it takes me 2 or 3 weeks to get back in shape.
What's the difference except amount of change? Obviously adjusting one hour is much either than 2 or 3. I think adjusting to CA would be very difficult for me. Hawaii would be nuts. I think Sydney Austrailia would kill me.

I hear your objections about the time change. In any case, if they keep the same time they should keep Summer time. Nothing is as depressing as it being night time at 5:00 PM. I'd rather get up in the morning when it's dark and then having an additional hour of light.
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Same here. I never get up in the morning. The only time I see sunrise is when I've stayed up too long. ;)
 
Didn't you have a very chaotic sleep pattern? How can a simple hour change screw it up any more? :p

The time change doesn't affect me much, TBH. What bothers me is the jetlag when I fly. Now, that does suck royally. Sometimes it takes me 2 or 3 weeks to get back in shape.

I hear your objections about the time change. In any case, if they keep the same time they should keep Summer time. Nothing is as depressing as it being night time at 5:00 PM. I'd rather get up in the morning when it's dark and then having an additional hour of light.

Love Ella's take on Summertime. Check out the version she does with Louie Armstrong. A few other interesting renditions





MORE:
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DST suits me as it makes court hire cheaper in the evening and you tend to feel more outdoorsy.
However I think a lot depends on where you are on the planet. Currently in Australia for example we currently have 4 time zones which can get confusing for some people.
North Queenslsnd with its tropical climate doesn't like day light saving and some even say it confuses cows ability to produce milk. In South Australia on the other hand you have daylight up to 9.30pm during Christmas so that's not bad.
Interested in hearing how things work in the U.S. and say Sweden.
 
No DST change where I currently live and in my home country.
I only experienced it for a couple of years in my home country decades ago, but the Gov't discontinued it.
Am I losing something?
I believe it's the same for the Indian posters.
 
No DST change where I currently live and in my home country.
I only experienced it for a couple of years in my home country decades ago, but the Gov't discontinued it.
Am I losing something?
I believe it's the same for the Indian posters.
Where are you currently? Orginally? Close to the Equator? Most of India is within 30° (North) of the Equator. Southern India is within 10° of the Equator. Length of day and sunrise/sunset times will not vary all that much during the year. (Not like it does at 40° or closer to the Poles). No need to change the clocks for areas close to the Equator.
 
Where are you currently? Orginally? Close to the Equator? Most of India is within 30° (North) of the Equator. Southern India is within 10° of the Equator. Length of day and sunrise/sunset times will not vary all that much during the year. (Not like it does at 40° or closer to the Poles). No need to change the clocks for areas close to the Equator.
I am currently living in Santa Cruz, Bolivia at latitude 17 S, so DST does not make much sense here.
In my home country, the city I lived in (Buenos Aires) is at latitude 34 S. DST could make sense there, but many didn’t like it when it was tested. Maybe because Argentina advanced an hour long ago and never got it back. Some say that Argentina can geographically be at GMT-4, but adopted GMT-3, not giving back a DST hour gained long ago.
So in the early 90’s there were a couple of years when we tested DST at GMT-2, but nobody liked it.
Buenos Aires is in the East of the country, and that was even worse for locations in the South/West of the country where dusk came at 10 or 11 PM in summer.
 
How do those of you who go through this experience it? My watch says 3:41, but it's 4:41 AM according to yesterday. I hate this change. It's OK on Sunday, but by Monday it seems like I start work an hour late and then it is forever before I get home. It takes me several days to adapt.

I also don't understand why we still do this. It seems pointless for only about 4 months...
I don't change my time in protest. I still go by summer time
 
Hold on. It may be chaotic to you. It's natural for me. Teaching starts very late, around 3:30 in the afternoon. I have to be sharp for that, and rested. I only have to be up at noon on Saturday. So I go to be around 5 AM, sleep a few hours, up to do work or things I'm interested in, then some sleep before work. Work, then some sleep after work. It adds up to 8 hours or so. So I'm used to going to sleep around 5 AM, rest around noon, rest after work. If that is disrupted, I have trouble falling asleep. I think we all have rhythms, and time changes disrupt them.
I get cha. You are saying that there is a method to your madness. What seems like a chaotic schedule is simply uncommon, but there is a pattern and changing the time one hour affects that pattern. That makes sense actually. The thing is that if your sleep adds up to 8 hours, then you are getting plenty sleep even if you are getting it in pieces.

Getting up "before noon" as a feat is epic. The only human bean who kept a sleep schedule similar to yours is probably Bela Lugosi. :P

I wish I had your chaotic sleep schedule. Mine is truly chaotic with no rhyme or reason. The other day, for example, I slept 4 1/2 hours. The following day I slept 9 hours. Sometimes I just feel like staying up doing things, even though I know I need to get up for work early the next day.

What's the difference except amount of change? Obviously adjusting one hour is much either than 2 or 3. I think adjusting to CA would be very difficult for me. Hawaii would be nuts. I think Sydney Austrailia would kill me.
Ah, yes. When I travel I do it to Europe and it is a 9 hour change with the West Coast. Going there it is alright because you can pull an "allnighter" and then sleep when you get there. But coming to the US sucks royally, as you get here at the same time you left so your body is super confused.

Same here. I never get up in the morning. The only time I see sunrise is when I've stayed up too long. ;)
Thank you, Mr. Lugosi. :D
 
I get cha. You are saying that there is a method to your madness. What seems like a chaotic schedule is simply uncommon, but there is a pattern and changing the time one hour affects that pattern. That makes sense actually. The thing is that if your sleep adds up to 8 hours, then you are getting plenty sleep even if you are getting it in pieces.

Getting up "before noon" as a feat is epic. The only human bean who kept a sleep schedule similar to yours is probably Bela Lugosi. :p
Remember what I do for a living. I generally start teaching at around 3:30 PM. I have to center my day around that fact. On a typical day I go 4.5 hours without a break, which for other people seems like a dream job, barely working. But it's intense, very creative work, and if I'm off my game I don't communicate well, and I get edgy, irritable. Not good. The nature of the beast these days is that no one seems to have much money left over after rent/mortgage, car payments and other things that are more or less necessities. In 2019 toys are pretty much necessities too. Have an old cell phone? You may wake up and find out you can't even get calls. That's about to happen to me. I'd keep the same cell forever if I could, but mine is so old it won't update. TV? As of November we can't watch Neflix any more. The TV, which looks great, won't allow us to watch Netflix or Amazon Prime. No more streaming unless we fine a way to plug in a device that is external.

So my student's parents can't really afford more than 1/2 hour a week, or my adult students, and that means I have to hustle to get a max done in minimum time. And I have some REALLY sharp students. I end up probably doing twice or three times as much work at home, all of which interests me greatly, so it's not a burden. But in those 4-5 hours I teach as many as 9-10 students in a row, from age 6 to 75. So when do I recharge? At night.

LOTS of creative people do this. It's not at all uncommon. Get enough sleep before doing what you have to do, then stay up all night playing. I've been doing this since my late teens. Musicians never grow up. It's a fact. ;)
I wish I had your chaotic sleep schedule. Mine is truly chaotic with no rhyme or reason. The other day, for example, I slept 4 1/2 hours. The following day I slept 9 hours. Sometimes I just feel like staying up doing things, even though I know I need to get up for work early the next day.
I used to be more like you. It sucked. I never knew when I would sleep, and I was tired a lot. These days I'm not.
Ah, yes. When I travel I do it to Europe and it is a 9 hour change with the West Coast. Going there it is alright because you can pull an "allnighter" and then sleep when you get there. But coming to the US sucks royally, as you get here at the same time you left so your body is super confused.
Because of my weird schedule I can go west and end up being awake earlier. Since I'm generally asleep by around 5 AM or a bit later and up by 10, going west means I'm up earlier, good for vacationing with larks. Going east KILLS me. I flew to Berlin years ago. I was so turned around for a week I got almost no sleep, and I got horribly sick.
 
Many people die of heart attacks and catch some diseases because of lack of sleep in the summer. Not having enough sleep is number one cause for immune system deficiencies. Not sleeping one night is like eating MacDonald for six months. Sleeping only two ours make immune system 30% less effective according to studies.
 
Many people die of heart attacks and catch some diseases because of lack of sleep in the summer. Not having enough sleep is number one cause for immune system deficiencies. Not sleeping one night is like eating MacDonald for six months. Sleeping only two ours make immune system 30% less effective according to studies.
If this is true, I should be probably dead by now.
Summer is indeed the worst season for me to sleep.
 
The real reason Paris is the city of of light is that it is permanently in the wrong time zone.

Getting rid of DST by making DST permanent would probably be preferable in a lot of cities.
 
Remember what I do for a living. I generally start teaching at around 3:30 PM. I have to center my day around that fact. On a typical day I go 4.5 hours without a break, which for other people seems like a dream job, barely working. But it's intense, very creative work, and if I'm off my game I don't communicate well, and I get edgy, irritable. Not good. The nature of the beast these days is that no one seems to have much money left over after rent/mortgage, car payments and other things that are more or less necessities. In 2019 toys are pretty much necessities too. Have an old cell phone? You may wake up and find out you can't even get calls. That's about to happen to me. I'd keep the same cell forever if I could, but mine is so old it won't update. TV? As of November we can't watch Neflix any more. The TV, which looks great, won't allow us to watch Netflix or Amazon Prime. No more streaming unless we fine a way to plug in a device that is external.
So my student's parents can't really afford more than 1/2 hour a week, or my adult students, and that means I have to hustle to get a max done in minimum time. And I have some REALLY sharp students. I end up probably doing twice or three times as much work at home, all of which interests me greatly, so it's not a burden. But in those 4-5 hours I teach as many as 9-10 students in a row, from age 6 to 75. So when do I recharge? At night.

LOTS of creative people do this. It's not at all uncommon. Get enough sleep before doing what you have to do, then stay up all night playing. I've been doing this since my late teens. Musicians never grow up. It's a fact. ;)
Yes, I understand you have to be on your game. What you are doing requires a specific talent and you need to be sharp and ready. The creative aspect of it also adds an additional challenge, but it seems you thrive on it. Whatever you do as far as schedules is a finely tuned setup, and if it works for you you need to go with it. I personally think that the notion that you need 7 or 8 hours of uninterrupted sleep is false, and that people just do it because their bodies fall into that pattern, and when they don't they think there is something wrong with them and try to force it. And everybody has their own needs. You should do what your body demands of you.

As far as what you say about toys, do you happen to have an iPhone? I recommend you go instead with Android and if you are willing to tinker a little bit with custom ROMs (the operating system in your phone) you can stay updated much longer. For example, I have a 2015 Android phone that only got support up to Android 5, but I have installed Android 8.1 and it runs great. It is also so cheap and does much more than your typical Apple stuff.

I used to be more like you. It sucked. I never knew when I would sleep, and I was tired a lot. These days I'm not.
Yes, it really sucks but in that sense I am like the alcoholic that keeps drinking even if he knows he is hurting himself. I do like staying up at night and relaxing, reading, listening to music, and that stuff. Then I pay for it in the morning.

When I was in my teens I did some crazy stuff (like stay up for 3 days straight) and very bizarre things start to happen when you deprive your brain of sleep so much. I know I shouldn't do this, and I'm thinking of making this a New Year's resolution I can break around the second week of January. ;)

Because of my weird schedule I can go west and end up being awake earlier. Since I'm generally asleep by around 5 AM or a bit later and up by 10, going west means I'm up earlier, good for vacationing with larks. Going east KILLS me. I flew to Berlin years ago. I was so turned around for a week I got almost no sleep, and I got horribly sick.
I hear you. But for me it is worst coming from Europe to the West Coast. The last time I did that it took me almost 2 weeks to get back in shape. I think part of the problem is that I am undisciplined that way to begin with, so I don't "correct" for the jetlag either and it makes matters worse until I can get to my usual level of craziness.
 
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