Dunlop aérogel 4D 300

Roms

Rookie
Hello,

I would like to know if somebody know power potential of the 4D 300 (16°19) ? because it is more head heavy than the former but more flexible too.
What is the interest of that ? I think the frame is just less maneuvrable no ?

can someone compare it to rqis 1 tour, radical mg mp, dunlop 200 ag or nblade just about power potential ?

and what about the stability of the stick (a little bad point to former ag 300) ? is the RA 60 (TW info) or 63 (dunlop sport site) ?

I love the feel of my ag 500 tour but I need more control and less power, maybe this sticks can fit my game. This stick is in competion with pst for my choice.

thanks a lot
 

DavidGarcia

Hall of Fame
I've played with the nBlade and the AG300 and the 300 has a lot more power that the nBlade. More spin too.
 

Roms

Rookie
thanks for your help

do you speak about the new 4D 300 ? what can you say about the stability ? because the former ag 300 shake a lot on hard shot I thought.
 

Roms

Rookie
do you think the twistweight is more than 10;7 ? because the former version has this twistweight, and even if it was ultra maneuvrable, it was also unstable, it is my main interogation about new 4D 300, the stability.
 

roller~

Rookie
Sorry that I can't help you about your asking.
But this is the score for you.
1. Spin - 9
2. Power - 8.5
3. maneuverability - 10
4. control - 8
5. feel - 10
 

Roms

Rookie
Ok thanks a lot for your help. Have you tried this sitick ? what do you think about the stability ?

I would like to know if my question are easy to understand or not because my english is average (I am french) ?
 
Ok thanks a lot for your help. Have you tried this sitick ? what do you think about the stability ?

I would like to know if my question are easy to understand or not because my english is average (I am french) ?

The Aerogel 4D 300 (16"x19") is an extremely stable racquet, much more than the original AG 300. It has decent power but I would say it is more of a control racquet than a power racquet. I added 2 grams of lead at 10 o'clock, 2 grams at 2 o'clock and 4 grams at 6 o'clock and now the racquet has more punch. I just love it.

I used to have an Aerogel 500 Tour and I also felt that it had great power, but not enough control. I think you will love the Aerogel 4D 300. Try stringing it with Technifibre x-one biphase 17 at 57 lbs. for excellent spin, power and control.
 
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roller~

Rookie
Ok thanks a lot for your help. Have you tried this sitick ? what do you think about the stability ?

I would like to know if my question are easy to understand or not because my english is average (I am french) ?

Stability Better for me than Head Radical 98 or Fischer No.1 98.
 

Roms

Rookie
if it s better than radical mp it is cool because radical mp has enough stability for me.
How do you compare 4D 300 to nblade, radical mg mp, aerogel 200, or rqis 1 tour just about power ?
 
if it s better than radical mp it is cool because radical mp has enough stability for me.
How do you compare 4D 300 to nblade, radical mg mp, aerogel 200, or rqis 1 tour just about power ?

slightly more power than the radical mg mp and nblade especially with some lead added at 10, 2 and 6. not sure about the aerogel 200 or rqis 1 tour but i suspect the 4D 300 will definitely have more power than the aerogel 200. see my post above. you'll like it a lot better than the aerogel 500 tour.
 

Roms

Rookie
slightly more power than the radical mg mp and nblade especially with some lead added at 10, 2 and 6. not sure about the aerogel 200 or rqis 1 tour but i suspect the 4D 300 will definitely have more power than the aerogel 200. see my post above. you'll like it a lot better than the aerogel 500 tour.

I love the feel of my 500 tour but my problem with it is not enough control. But with the 300 4D i am sure to get lot of feel and control, but my fear is to loose a huge power (rqis an ag 200 are underpower I thought), and because of the 63ra to get an unstable stick.

I am not sur between the dunlop and the pst. I can customize the dunlop, but the pst seems more stable and hit heavier. Do you think a customised racquet (310 at before custom) can get same performance as a tour racquet (335 gr) in term of stability and heavy ball ?
 
I love the feel of my 500 tour but my problem with it is not enough control. But with the 300 4D i am sure to get lot of feel and control, but my fear is to loose a huge power (rqis an ag 200 are underpower I thought), and because of the 63ra to get an unstable stick.

I am not sur between the dunlop and the pst. I can customize the dunlop, but the pst seems more stable and hit heavier. Do you think a customised racquet (310 at before custom) can get same performance as a tour racquet (335 gr) in term of stability and heavy ball ?

I have never hit with the PST (I am assuming this is the Pure Storm Tour?). I think a lighter racquet customized with added weight can definitely hit a heavy ball. If you are unsure, demo both and add weight to the Dunlop AG 4D 300 before you purchase it.
 

Roms

Rookie
well I can't demo the new 4D 300 because I live in a little city. Yes I speak about pure storm tour. I know that dunlop does superb frame, that's why the 4D 300 is really cool for me (spec). Moreover, the paintjob is really awsome for my taste.
If the 4D 300 customized can be also good in term of stability and capacity to hit heavy ball, it is sure it is for me, because I remember thet former 300 ag was so good but lack of stability (I have just tested this stick whithout customisation).
It is strange because here in France, Dunlop aren't well reknowed (because before they sold some stick in shop like carrefour, a sort of french wallmart, and it is not good for image). I just know dunlop since aerogel and I think quality and feel is really good.
 
well I can't demo the new 4D 300 because I live in a little city. Yes I speak about pure storm tour. I know that dunlop does superb frame, that's why the 4D 300 is really cool for me (spec). Moreover, the paintjob is really awsome for my taste.
If the 4D 300 customized can be also good in term of stability and capacity to hit heavy ball, it is sure it is for me, because I remember thet former 300 ag was so good but lack of stability (I have just tested this stick whithout customisation).
It is strange because here in France, Dunlop aren't well reknowed (because before they sold some stick in shop like carrefour, a sort of french wallmart, and it is not good for image). I just know dunlop since aerogel and I think quality and feel is really good.

You won't go wrong buying the Dunlop Aerogel 4D 300. I didn't like the original model that much but this one is very solid...very stable and packs a punch with a little lead.
 

shell

Professional
well I can't demo the new 4D 300 because I live in a little city. Yes I speak about pure storm tour. I know that dunlop does superb frame, that's why the 4D 300 is really cool for me (spec). Moreover, the paintjob is really awsome for my taste.
If the 4D 300 customized can be also good in term of stability and capacity to hit heavy ball, it is sure it is for me, because I remember thet former 300 ag was so good but lack of stability (I have just tested this stick whithout customisation).
It is strange because here in France, Dunlop aren't well reknowed (because before they sold some stick in shop like carrefour, a sort of french wallmart, and it is not good for image). I just know dunlop since aerogel and I think quality and feel is really good.

Roms, you asked earlier, and yes, your English if fine :) Very good in fact.

I have not hit with the 300 4D Tour yet, but I own 11 Dunlop racquets, the AG 300 16x19 and the AG 300 16x18 being two of them. I also own a Bab Pure Storm and have hit with the PST.

I consider the Dunlop racquets to be in between Wilson (stiff and crisp) and Babs (somewhat muted) in feel. The Dunlops have a crispy softness to them. My 300 16x18 is the most similar to the new 4D Tour, in that is is medium weight and headlight. Stability is there, and if the balance is not exactly to your liking, then a bit of lead in the head can remedy that.

I think it comes down to the feel. Remember that all of the big brands sell racquets at discount stores. Wilson and Head are the biggest sellers at the Walmart level, but are not racquets that we would want to play with. Dunlop does the same. Ironic that Amelie Mauresmo, the highest achieving French player in a while, plays Dunlop (even though she now sports Head colors and contract, I bet it is still her good ole Dunlop under that paint job), so you can't judge a brand by discount stores.

Stability is about weight and clean contact. All the major brands have racuqets that will fit all levels. The Bab PST is a great racquet, but so are the Dunlops. I don't think you will be sorry if you give the 4D Tour a go. If it is a bit too headlight, then a bit of lead will fix that. Your stability should be fine. It will depend on your strokes. Remember the AG 300 that you tried is a bit lighter than the 4D Tour, and that could have been the difference.

Hope this helps. Good luck with your racquet choice.
 

BobFL

Hall of Fame
well I can't demo the new 4D 300 because I live in a little city. Yes I speak about pure storm tour. I know that dunlop does superb frame, that's why the 4D 300 is really cool for me (spec). Moreover, the paintjob is really awsome for my taste.
If the 4D 300 customized can be also good in term of stability and capacity to hit heavy ball, it is sure it is for me, because I remember thet former 300 ag was so good but lack of stability (I have just tested this stick whithout customisation).
It is strange because here in France, Dunlop aren't well reknowed (because before they sold some stick in shop like carrefour, a sort of french wallmart, and it is not good for image). I just know dunlop since aerogel and I think quality and feel is really good.

Dunlop 300 4D NON-tour is my main racquet now. I am VERY impressed with it. However, it is customized to my taste. BTW, in stock form it is WAY better than AG300. After many different setups this is my final lead tape distribution:

Handle: 18g
Throat: 2x1g
10 and 2: 2x1.5g
Gamma OG + Sampras' dampener
Strung with Yonex 850@55

It produces VERY heavy balls. It is super-stable and super-comfy.

Bob
 
Dunlop 300 4D NON-tour is my main racquet now. I am VERY impressed with it. However, it is customized to my taste. BTW, in stock form it is WAY better than AG300. After many different setups this is my final lead tape distribution:

Handle: 18g
Throat: 2x1g
10 and 2: 2x1.5g
Gamma OG + Sampras' dampener
Strung with Yonex 850@55

It produces VERY heavy balls. It is super-stable and super-comfy.

Bob

Hey Bob...recent AG 4D 300 convert here. I have added lead too except didn't add any in the handle. 4 grams total at 6 o'clock and 2 grams total at both 10 and 2. What does adding 18 grams in the handle do for the racquet? More plow through and heavier balls? Do you put the weight in the handle itself or place it lengthwise on the handle and cover with overgrip?

Thanks for your help!
 

Roms

Rookie
Ok thanks you very much both for your help

After a big reflexion, I decided to order the ag 4D 300 and I will customise it, because the tour version is a 18°20 and I prefer 16 main.

Yes of course we can't juge a brand because it sells on discount store, but I think here in France t was like an image of non quality brand. But I love dunlop feel, ag 200, 300, 500 tour, they all feel perfect. It would be cool if dunlop will have a better image in France in the future, because I am sure many people will love these racquet.

Bob, do you now the equivalent of 55 tension in french system ? (for us our tension is for exemple 23 kg) ?
 

shell

Professional
Ok thanks you very much both for your help

After a big reflexion, I decided to order the ag 4D 300 and I will customise it, because the tour version is a 18°20 and I prefer 16 main.

Yes of course we can't juge a brand because it sells on discount store, but I think here in France t was like an image of non quality brand. But I love dunlop feel, ag 200, 300, 500 tour, they all feel perfect. It would be cool if dunlop will have a better image in France in the future, because I am sure many people will love these racquet.

Bob, do you now the equivalent of 55 tension in french system ? (for us our tension is for exemple 23 kg) ?

25
1 pound = 2.2 kg
 

BobFL

Hall of Fame
Ok thanks you very much both for your help

After a big reflexion, I decided to order the ag 4D 300 and I will customise it, because the tour version is a 18°20 and I prefer 16 main.

Bob, do you now the equivalent of 55 tension in french system ? (for us our tension is for exemple 23 kg) ?

Oui, oui, monsieur! Please go here for accurate conversion:

http://www.convertunits.com/from/pounds/to/kg

Great choice! 300 4D is just sooooo much better than Tour version.
 

BobFL

Hall of Fame
Hey Bob...recent AG 4D 300 convert here. I have added lead too except didn't add any in the handle. 4 grams total at 6 o'clock and 2 grams total at both 10 and 2. What does adding 18 grams in the handle do for the racquet? More plow through and heavier balls? Do you put the weight in the handle itself or place it lengthwise on the handle and cover with overgrip?

Thanks for your help!

I put lead tape around the handle (directly to the handle, under the original grip).

18g add more of everything:
- more HL (this is very important for me; I do not want to feel strong centrifugal force especially on serve; 3004D stock is close to even balance. adding weight only around the head makes it HH and I do not like that)
- more power
- more stability
- more comfort
- more static weight and more sw


Bob
 

Roms

Rookie
thanks a lot at all, you are very helpfull
I ordered 4D 300 because before I own rqis 1 tour and after a 320 vo2 max (I always use my 500 tour and never sold it because I love it), superb sticks but a little heavy and I wasn't really efficience (I hope it is correct) during long match. What I like with ag 300 was the superb maneuvrability, all seems easy to do, spin is Awwwsome; finally what I like with the 300 is that it's a sharp stick, easy to drive. And when we read comment about the new 300, it seems even better (noticely in stability if I understand)

I am happy to speak in TW thread because I want to improve my english to go to USA :)
 

Roms

Rookie
last question,

do you think TW are right about the spec ? I think to the flex rate (60) and balance (only 3hl ??) ? what is the equivalent of 3 point HL in cm ? how is it possible that 300 and 500 tour have the same balance (300 is supposed to be racquet player no ?), because for the 500 tour they put 3HL but mine, just strung, is a little head heavy.
What about the pop of the 4D 300 ?
 

Steve F.

Professional
Bonsoir Roms -

33 cm equals 3 points head light, je crois.

I don't have the 300 4D or the 500 Tour, but there isn't a rule that states what the balance of a "player's racquet" should be. Lots of folks here think it needs to weigh a certain amount, but the only thing that is certain is that the lines between "player," "tweener" and even recreational racquets has been smeared. T'enquete pas avec les specs, et amuse toi bien avec ton nouveau 300 4D! What string did you order?
 

Roms

Rookie
Bonsoir Roms -

33 cm equals 3 points head light, je crois.

I don't have the 300 4D or the 500 Tour, but there isn't a rule that states what the balance of a "player's racquet" should be. Lots of folks here think it needs to weigh a certain amount, but the only thing that is certain is that the lines between "player," "tweener" and even recreational racquets has been smeared. T'enquete pas avec les specs, et amuse toi bien avec ton nouveau 300 4D! What string did you order?

Thanks a lot Steve, your french is great :)
Thanks a lot for these precisions. I order the 4D 300 with pro hurricane tour 1.30 in main and babolat vs 1.35 in crosses, both at 23 kg. I like full pht at my 500 tour, but I ordered with vs to know what is pure pleasure :), I think spin potential will be more than awsome.

Thanks again :)
 

Steve F.

Professional
Make sure you follow up with your impressions of the stick!

Thanks a lot Steve, your french is great
Merci... J'habite à Paris.

If you ever make it in to town let me know, be easy to set up a hit --
 

Steve F.

Professional
Use google for Metric Conversions

btw - for everybody twisting their noggin into knots over conversions, try google.

Just type

55 lbs in kg

or whatever you need into the searchbox and hit return

Google computes it for you and posts the result above the search results.

Works for all conversions, grams/ounces, mph/kph, temperature, you name it! Use it all the time.
 

Roms

Rookie
Make sure you follow up with your impressions of the stick!


Merci... J'habite à Paris.

If you ever make it in to town let me know, be easy to set up a hit --

Ok it is cool, so yes your french is perfect
Well it will be a little hard to play in Paris because I live in Millau, where you can see the Viaduc (you know the big bridge), near to Montpellier, but if we have an occasion, it will be with pleasure.

Thanks for conversion advises.

I will post my impressions when I will play with it, I think to receive my stick tomorrow :)
 

Steve F.

Professional
Too funny. France is small -- my wife is cévenole and we've got family in Montpellier, St. Jean, etc so we've driven through Millau and over the Viaduc many times, esp. in summer. I'll let you know if we'll be around!
Ok it is cool, so yes your french is perfect
Haha! I'm working on it!

I have a pair of AG300s weighted to match my AG200 - but the feel is lacking - this is why I'm curious about the 300 4D. Enjoy!
 
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