***Dunlop Aerogel 1hundred (AG100) club***

I definitely switched out the hydramax. Using a wristband, I still sweat far too much on my palms for the stock grip or most any overgrip to be useful.

I use a very offbrand replacement grip as my go to, I find it perfect for tennis, and it has huge popularity among those who know if it, its the RKEP Power Master grip. I get it cheap too, as I buy it wholesale from them as part of the stock for my badminton store.
 
I like this silicone idea, because I used to remove the grip and apply tape directly to the grip pallet. And unless you get the weight right the first time, modifying it becomes a hassle.

But I'm uncomfortable with the fact that using silicone is irreversible.
 
singnflip4life said:
I definitely switched out the hydramax. Using a wristband, I still sweat far too much on my palms for the stock grip or most any overgrip to be useful.

I use a very offbrand replacement grip as my go to, I find it perfect for tennis, and it has huge popularity among those who know if it, its the RKEP Power Master grip. I get it cheap too, as I buy it wholesale from them as part of the stock for my badminton store.
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I'll have to check into that one. Maybe my pro has heard of it. I went away from the over-grip to keep it from feeling too built up. I don't sweat much, so I don't need an over-grip for that reason. But, it's likely I'll go back to one at some point.

I'm about ready to start tweaking them as far as lead goes. I know there were some good suggestions in this thread about doing so.
 
dadozen said:
Hood, I injected the silicone little by little, and kept weighing the racquet in between. The silicone came in 50g tubes, so I couldn't weight it before injecting.

KLE, I live in Brazil so the product name is different, but you can use any silicone glue. You have to leave it curing for a while
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I guess I should get a good electronic scale.
 
I'm going to put some gut in one of mine and see how it feels. Also, not that it matters playability-wise, Dunlop did a great job with the graphics. The 100 has a very classy color combination.
 
Hi again guys. Feeling the love once more for my 4D 100s.

Played a match on Tuesday with my trusted 4D200 Tour and poly had gone dead so lots of arm issues, and we won (just) even though I was playing like crap. Had another doubles match on Wednesday so pulled out my 4D100 with Beast XP and played much better, and no arm issues.

Today my balance board, lead tape and reels of SPPP 1.18 and Scorpion 1.20 arrived so I'll be busying myself stringing up the other 100, applying a leather grip and lead, and matching weight/balance to my 200 Tours. Little experiment to see if the extra mass suits me, it's one thing I love about the Tours and which has stopped me playing too much with the 100s if I'm honest.

I'm hopeful of some progress tonight but I will report back on my customising experiment. Am looking to play tomorrow and Monday, and have another doubles match on Wednesday so I'll try to play exclusively with my 100s and see how I go.
 
New Donnay in comparison with 4D 100

Just wondering any of 4d 100 owners had a chance to play with any new Donnay rackets. Please share your thoughts.
 
dadozen said:
Pimp, good luck with your customization! Don't forget to update us with the happy ending!;)
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ok. Strung up with SPPP 1.18 at 50 (1 pc). Removed stock grip and applied tan Wilson leather grip - the 4D100 looks amazing like this, the tan leather really complements the brown in the paintwork. Unfortunately I do not play with bare leather, so applied white overgrip and smiley dampener. Finally 12g (I think) of lead at 12 and weighed in at 356g, 32.0cm balance.

Unfortunately I didn't get to string up until Sunday morning, and I had a set of tennis with my son late afternoon. First impressions were that the extra mass made both flat and kick serves a joy, and backhands felt extremely stable and seemed to do exactly what I wanted. My forehands were going long and I hope to rectify this when I play tomorrow. I didn't get round to playing yesterday because I had other things to do, but have a winnable match tomorrow which is great for a proper try out. We may have a winner with this setup.

I'm testing the beta version of the new racquetTune app and history on the string tension is interesting. Straight after stringing at 50, the app was reporting tension of 49.4. After a few hours standing and one set the tension was 44.6, which is what I would expect. I'll measure again after tomorrow's match to see where it settles and what tension I think I'm playing best at.
 
Great update! But 12g @ 12 is a huge amount od leaf, especially considering the location!:)

Nice to read that you can handle that;)

I, OTOH, am looking for a new racquet. I feel like I need a more forgiving racquet. Although I really love how the 4D100 plays, I had to make several changes in my game( game style and even grip ) and I'm not feeling comfortable anymore.

I found that the BM200 might be a good fit, since specs like weight and SW are close to what I find perfect, but in a more forgiving package: bigger head and a 18x20 string pattern - which means, at least for me, a better directional control and a more consistent responsiveness.
 
dadozen:

It's funny, I thought I preferred the 18x20 setup on a 95 sq in racket (which BTW is consistent with a 16x19 on a 90sq in). But when I tried the 4D200 Tour I didn't feel too much difference, and certainly haven't experienced a lack of control with the 16x18 pattern.

Main reason for picking up the 100s again was arm issues, so I'm hoping I don't have to get off full poly because I'm loving SPPP / Best XP / Cyberflash full setups. Interestingly, I have a spare 4D 200 Tour which has cracks at 5 and 7 (but seems to play ok) which I string up with full gut at 60 yesterday. That's back in my bag and I may try to hit with it after my match if I get a chance, just to see if there is much difference with arm pain.

With regard to the lead at 12, I know it's a lot but this was to stabilise the balance which I prefer to be around the 32cm mark. Polarising the weight distribution seems to help me with power and spin potential, but I'll have to have a few hours to find out if I prefer it.
 
Brief reminder - 4D100, SPPP 1.18 1 piece at 50, 356g, 320mm balance (weight built up with leather grip/overgrip and lead at top of hoop).

So I played 2.5 hours of doubles yesterday evening. Conditions were perfect, bright but not too sunny, no wind, warm and not too hot. A great evening for playing on grass. A quick note about our local leagues, we play 2 dubs matches which each last 16 games - 4 ends of 4. So, 2 pairs per team and 4 matches means 64 games/points at stake.

Overall I was very happy with the way the racket played. The polarisation I created with leather grip and lead from 11 to 1 at the top of the hoop worked well with serving and ground strokes. I could have done better on volleys if I'm honest. I also noticed that I had to work hard with topspin to control the ball, but results were very good in terms of depth, placement and spin. I should mention that one forehand I didn't control completely cleared the back fence and straight into the playing field! I'm pretty sure it's the placement of lead that was doing it.

I thought the match was going to be easy but it was just the opposite. My partner and I won both our matches 9-7, while our other pair drew 8-8 and won 10-6. Very good opposition and a really competitive but well tempered match so delighted to get through that one and make it 3 out of 3 for the season so far.

At key times I felt confident with my racket which is very important to me. When we were down in the first match and had to step up I got plenty of power and depth, and again when serving 8-7 up in the second match our opponents were all over us but I managed two big serves from deuce to win the match.

Overall I won 6 of 8 service games, which although not great is ok given the quality of returning we experienced. I liked the feeling of being able to step up through the gears with my racket - a lot of the time it was about getting the ball back at reasonable depth and waiting for the opportunity. Errors excepted, I was able to attack the shorter ball with success and either the shot didn't come back or it was an easy put away.

The racket felt very stable and still easy to swing. I am used to heavier rackets but not necessarily to this weight distribution. I think I'm going to set my other 4D100 up like this as I have no arm problems today.

Finally, checked the SPPP tension this morning, history or racquetTune as follows:

29/5/11 (am) 49.4lb (straight after stringing at 50lb).
29/5/11 (pm) 44.6lb (after a few hours sitting and one set of singles)
2/6/11 (am) 41.1lb (after 2.5 hours doubles previous night)

So, total tension loss 16.8% after 4 days and around 4 hours hitting including knocking up. I hope it doesn't drop much further as I think this tension is right for me!
 
Finally Back!

Just an update. I've been missing from the club, sorry!:oops:

Good news--I've finally gotten a 4D100 to replace my AG100 that I cracked. Was going to get a spare or two of the 4D, except now I've seen the PJ of the BM100 and want to hold out for that.

Good to see this thread active still!
 
Bigtime said:
Just an update. I've been missing from the club, sorry!:oops:

Good news--I've finally gotten a 4D100 to replace my AG100 that I cracked. Was going to get a spare or two of the 4D, except now I've seen the PJ of the BM100 and want to hold out for that.

Good to see this thread active still!
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Aren't we all waiting for the Bio 100 in US :)
 
I agree, the Bio does have a very cool PJ. I think I'm going to stick with the 4d for now though. Still, It will be interesting to see the reviews on the Bio.
 
Some friends of mine got some BM100s and they told me it's very similar to the previous versions( 4D especially ). It's super stable, excellent control and performs quite as good as the old models.

The pj looks cool indeed! I just wish Dunlop had used another color than green.

Well, I'm definitely moving from the 100s, it was a nice commitment, but I really need a more forgiving racquet. I even changed my FH grip to be able to play the 4D100s, and now I feel like I need to go back to my old SW GH grip in order to play as I always did. Also, a bigger head will suit my strokes better.

Two of them will be delivered today, I'll string them with my current setup and play tomorrow.
 
dadozen said:
Some friends of mine got some BM100s and they told me it's very similar to the previous versions( 4D especially ). It's super stable, excellent control and performs quite as good as the old models.

The pj looks cool indeed! I just wish Dunlop had used another color than green.

Well, I'm definitely moving from the 100s, it was a nice commitment, but I really need a more forgiving racquet. I even changed my FH grip to be able to play the 4D100s, and now I feel like I need to go back to my old SW GH grip in order to play as I always did. Also, a bigger head will suit my strokes better.

Two of them will be delivered today, I'll string them with my current setup and play tomorrow.
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I like your word choice of committment. Too many people, including myself jump from racquet to racquet seeking immediate improvement when it's really their game that needs improving.

Good luck with the new stick. What are you switching to??
 
Hewex said:
I like your word choice of committment. Too many people, including myself jump from racquet to racquet seeking immediate improvement when it's really their game that needs improving.

Good luck with the new stick. What are you switching to??
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LOL, I just realized I didn't mention that!:lol:

I'll be switching to the BM200, regular version( 337g, 18x20 ). I used a 18x20 racquet just once( 4D300Tour ), but I really liked how predictable the stringbed performed. Also, I didn't feel lack of spin, and the specs like weight, SW and head size seem to be right on what I need now. I'm guessing that it won't be a huge change from my current 4D100s, but the extra forgiveness will suit my strokes better.

And, as you said, I'm not switching racquets seeking for improvement, but mainly because I felt that I had to totally change my game style with the 4D100s, and it ended up getting messed up in the long run. I now want to return playing the way I did before, and with the 4D100s it would be impossible.
 
dadozen said:
LOL, I just realized I didn't mention that!:lol:

I'll be switching to the BM200, regular version( 337g, 18x20 ). I used a 18x20 racquet just once( 4D300Tour ), but I really liked how predictable the stringbed performed. Also, I didn't feel lack of spin, and the specs like weight, SW and head size seem to be right on what I need now. I'm guessing that it won't be a huge change from my current 4D100s, but the extra forgiveness will suit my strokes better.

And, as you said, I'm not switching racquets seeking for improvement, but mainly because I felt that I had to totally change my game style with the 4D100s, and it ended up getting messed up in the long run. I now want to return playing the way I did before, and with the 4D100s it would be impossible.
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All that makes sense. Hopefully the 200 is a good fit. You mentioned having to go away from your preferred grip (SW) with the 100...Which grip did you feel you were forced to use?
 
Hewex said:
All that makes sense. Hopefully the 200 is a good fit. You mentioned having to go away from your preferred grip (SW) with the 100...Which grip did you feel you were forced to use?
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Hewex, I had to move from SW to something like a Semi-Eastern, if that ever exists. It was a minor adjustment, but all my swing and body motion had to change as well, along with the point of contact with the ball. And, after almost 20 years playing one way, it's not very easy to adjust to another. At first, it was OK, but after some time I started struggling with that.

The BM200s arrived yesterday, already strung them up with my usual setup( listed in sig ) and will play tonight. Hopefully they fit me well, I have an important match sunday!:)
 
DaD, you're one ferociously fickle frame flip-flopper. You were in love with the 300, and took over that thread. Then you were in love with the 100, and took over this thread. Now you're wooing the 200?
 
The Dampener said:
DaD, you're one ferociously fickle frame flip-flopper. You were in love with the 300, and took over that thread. Then you were in love with the 100, and took over this thread. Now you're wooing the 200?
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Ha ha, going from the 300 to the 100 and then to the 200 - looks like DaD overshot the runway...
 
The Dampener said:
DaD, you're one ferociously fickle frame flip-flopper. You were in love with the 300, and took over that thread. Then you were in love with the 100, and took over this thread. Now you're wooing the 200?
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Sorry Damp! I guess I'm too passionate when it comes to Dunlops...:) The 4D100 is a great stick and I wish I could keep playing with it, but I feel like I am the one who has to make major adjustments to be able to play with it, and even doing that my game went south because I wasn't feeling confident anymore. That's not what happened when I switched from the 300Tour to the 4D100, because at that time I felt like I needed a more demanding racquet.

PimpMyGame said:
Ha ha, going from the 300 to the 100 and then to the 200 - looks like DaD overshot the runway...
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Pimp, you might be right. The 300Tour wasn't demanding enough, and the 100 might be too demanding - in a way that I need to adjust to the racquet, and not the opposite.

Hewex said:
Or the story of Goldilocks and the Three Bears....Maybe the 200 is justtttt right. Hopefully, the 200 is his holy grail.
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Hewex, I'm guessing that the story fits the bill here. And I also hope to have found the holy grail, even though we all know it doesn't exist:lol:

Btw, you can be sure that I'll stop by to help and learn from all the upcoming users of the mythic 100 line. It's not a goodbye!;)
 
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dadozen said:
Pimp, you might be right. The 300Tour wasn't demanding enough, and the 100 might be too demanding - in a way that I need to adjust to the racquet, and not the opposite.
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DaD

Just a thought here before you dismiss the 100s to the back of your shed. I stumbled upon something by accident when I was hitting at the club last night which may be something or nothing. I shortened my backswing slightly on both FH and 1HBH. The results were very good, more depth, more control and more consistency with my 4D100s. I'm going to try again in a match tonight and see what happens. It felt like by compacting my take back I was able to focus on hitting the ball better. It might be the racket, it might be the strings, or it might have always been there for me but just in case it's the racket you might want to give it a go.
 
Yep, it's not always the racquet.

If your game seems undisciplined, see a pro.

If your body feels slow, get to the gym.

But if you don't like your frame for purely intangible reasons, that's when it's time to switch.

:)
 
dadozen said:
Sorry Damp! I guess I'm too passionate when it comes to Dunlops...:) The 4D100 is a great stick and I wish I could keep playing with it, but I feel like I am the one who has to make major adjustments to be able to play with it, and even doing that my game went south because I wasn't feeling confident anymore. That's not what happened when I switched from the 300Tour to the 4D100, because at that time I felt like I needed a more demanding racquet.

Btw, you can be sure that I'll stop by to help and learn from all the upcoming users of the mythic 100 line. It's not a goodbye!;)
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DAD12
Just picked up a Muscle Weave 200G as a gift from a friend. Strung it with Gosen strings at exact tension as my 4D100. Used it for a 3 sets and also alternating with 4D100. It had more depth and more control then the 100. Why?

MW 200G: 12.1 oz 9 pt HL no lead
4D100: 12.3 oz 7 pt HL 5g @ 3&9

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KLE, great acquisition! I wish I could get a MW 200G as a gift from a friend as well!

Actually, I'm spotting some 200Gs as well( 2 MW and one Revelation ), I just need to check if the gripsize is L2.

As for the differences you felt, that's probably because of the lead tape you added on the 4D100. It added power while lowering the maneuverability. With the 200G, which is very maneuverable, you could swing freely, giving you both depth and accuracy. Also, the denser stringbed also helps that.

That's just my opinion. This is exactly how I felt when I moved from the 4D100 to the BM200, which is actually very similar to the 200G>
 
dadozen said:
KLE, great acquisition! I wish I could get a MW 200G as a gift from a friend as well!

Actually, I'm spotting some 200Gs as well( 2 MW and one Revelation ), I just need to check if the gripsize is L2.

As for the differences you felt, that's probably because of the lead tape you added on the 4D100. It added power while lowering the maneuverability. With the 200G, which is very maneuverable, you could swing freely, giving you both depth and accuracy. Also, the denser stringbed also helps that.

That's just my opinion. This is exactly how I felt when I moved from the 4D100 to the BM200, which is actually very similar to the 200G>
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DAD12, I followed your footstep to add lead to my 4D100 and now I think I may follow you to switch racket to the 200's :)

The more I played with the Muscle Weave, the better I hit with shots from serve, baseline & to net.

I will try to demo a BIO200 demo this week and compare.

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KLE, I just want to make myself clear: I'm not planning to make this club empty!:)

But I understand how you're feeling now, the 200 is more forgiving than the 4D100, but still demanding, which is the right amount for some of us.

I suspect that the BM2000 plays very similary to the MW200, which is nice in many aspects. I wish I could get my hands in one of them:D
 
Still playing with the 100 here and no plans to change. Played in a tournament last weekend and a guy watching asked me to see my racquet during warm-up. He played the 500...Since you don't see a lot of Dunlop's he was wondering which one I was using.
 
Hewex, glad to know you are still using this racket; are there any special reasons why you prefer this to others? Did the man you were referring to try your racket by any chance?
 
roundiesee said:
Hewex, glad to know you are still using this racket; are there any special reasons why you prefer this to others? Did the man you were referring to try your racket by any chance?
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The first time I picked it up, it felt like a tennis racquet to me compared to oversize and wide bodied models. It's very easy around the net, and while you have to generate your own pace off the ground and serves, it's also very precise. It offers nice spin off the ground and my kick serve works well.

Since we were in the midst of warming up for a tournament match, he didn't have a chance to hit with it. I would have been interested in his opinion if he had.
 
roundiesee said:
Hewex, glad to know you are still using this racket; are there any special reasons why you prefer this to others? Did the man you were referring to try your racket by any chance?
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I'd like to weigh-in on this question if I may.

I found that by using a "players" frame that requires me to "supply my own power", (even though I'm only a 3.0-3.5) it reduces unforced errors for me. Probably since a mis-hit or poor stroke often lands in, albeit short, instead of flying long. Since I grew up teaching myself (bad habits and all) with a T-2000, the 90" headsize of the 4D100 does not seem have a small sweetspot at all.

I also like the idea of playing with Dunlop due to being a John McEnroe fan and playing quite a while with the J Mc-Maxply, and, that not every other player around town uses Dunlop. Frame quality has been quite good for me as well.
 
Bigtime said:
I'd like to weigh-in on this question if I may.

I found that by using a "players" frame that requires me to "supply my own power", (even though I'm only a 3.0-3.5) it reduces unforced errors for me. Probably since a mis-hit or poor stroke often lands in, albeit short, instead of flying long. Since I grew up teaching myself (bad habits and all) with a T-2000, the 90" headsize of the 4D100 does not seem have a small sweetspot at all.

I also like the idea of playing with Dunlop due to being a John McEnroe fan and playing quite a while with the J Mc-Maxply, and, that not every other player around town uses Dunlop. Frame quality has been quite good for me as well.
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You are on the right track to advance to higher playing level. It's not easy to start tennis with a heavy & small hoop racket. My progress was 2 years to advance from 3.0 to 4.0 by changing my FH grip from continental to SW and by learning new techniques from Fuzzy Yellow Balls & youtube. I came back to tennis after 20 years of hiatus with the AG 500, progressed to 4D300 and finally found this 4D100. It is a sweet racket and I got a lot of good comments about my shots with this stick.

Few weeks ago, a friend of mine gave me the Muscle Weave 200G and l love to hit with it. With any new racket, there will be a honeymoon moment and I will see how long it will last. In the mean time, I still switch back and forth among these 2 rackets.
 
Bigtime said:
I'd like to weigh-in on this question if I may.

I found that by using a "players" frame that requires me to "supply my own power", (even though I'm only a 3.0-3.5) it reduces unforced errors for me. Probably since a mis-hit or poor stroke often lands in, albeit short, instead of flying long. Since I grew up teaching myself (bad habits and all) with a T-2000, the 90" headsize of the 4D100 does not seem have a small sweetspot at all.

I also like the idea of playing with Dunlop due to being a John McEnroe fan and playing quite a while with the J Mc-Maxply, and, that not every other player around town uses Dunlop. Frame quality has been quite good for me as well.
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Totally agree with that. Dunlop has a much better QC than major brands - Wilson, Head and Babolat.
 
Well gentlemen, I might very well join your club! Tried the AG 100 for the first time and was really blown away! The one I had had a small amount of lead at 3 and 9 and was strung with a soft poly (mains) and a multi (crosses) at mid tension. The racket felt so quick that I never seemed to be late for any shot. It was bit on the light side but I never felt at a disadvantage from my hitting partner. Will try it in a match and see how it goes. Now my only curiosity lies with the other 2 versions (viz 4D and Biomimetic); any who has tried the latter 2 care to give us your views?
 
Roundiesse, I've played with the AG100 and the 4D100.

There's a review somewhere in this thread, but I can tell you that they both perform in a very similar way. The differences are minimal.

For example, the SW is a little lower in the 4D100, so you get even more quickness, but the stability doesn't suffer from that. Also, the 4D100 offers a more damped feel, which I liked. The AG100 gives you a more classic feel.

From what I've heard from the people who have tested the BM100 already, it plays like the 4D100. I'm guessing that there aren't many differences among the whole line.
 
dadozen said:
Roundiesse, I've played with the AG100 and the 4D100.

There's a review somewhere in this thread, but I can tell you that they both perform in a very similar way. The differences are minimal.

For example, the SW is a little lower in the 4D100, so you get even more quickness, but the stability doesn't suffer from that. Also, the 4D100 offers a more damped feel, which I liked. The AG100 gives you a more classic feel.

From what I've heard from the people who have tested the BM100 already, it plays like the 4D100. I'm guessing that there aren't many differences among the whole line.
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Thanks dad ! I guess they are all very good rackets no matter the version; am very tempted to hunt down one of each version, ie if I can keep this from my wife :(
 
I own both the AG and the 4D. (I accidentally cracked the AG while experimenting with a lighter grip while serving)

To me, they are very similar. I prefer the 4D. It feels just a touch more solid at impact. I feel a little more confident at net with the 4D also. Serves, about the same for me. I also love the PJ of the 4D, however, now that I've seen photos of the Bio100, I think I'll hold out for it, since that is the ultimate PJ for me (black w/green trim!).

I also play occasionally with my old K-Blade Tour (18x20), and love the extra control of it, however I lose a lot of power on my serves and groundstrokes.

I'm thinking I will try a little tighter tension on my 4D next time to gain a little more control???? (currently strung with full Klip Legend 16 @ 56 lbs).
 
I am sad to say that I traded my last AG100. It was an excellent racquet, I just couldn't keep strings on there long enough to make it worth it.
 
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