***Dunlop Aerogel 1hundred (AG100) club***
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dadozen
Hall of Fame
The aeroskin doesn't feel weird at all. BigTime, if you're worried about that, don't be. As Fuji said, it's actually cool.
About its funtionality, I realized that Dunlop has lowered the SW in almost all racquets. IMO, that's the real reason why the BMs swing easier than the 4Ds and AGs. For example, in the regular 200, it has decreased from 337 to 322. The only one that hasn't changed much is the 100.
About its funtionality, I realized that Dunlop has lowered the SW in almost all racquets. IMO, that's the real reason why the BMs swing easier than the 4Ds and AGs. For example, in the regular 200, it has decreased from 337 to 322. The only one that hasn't changed much is the 100.
tacotanium
Professional
i've waited a long time for the 4D100's big discount. thanks for the heads up.
according to physics, it has to work. LOL.
according to physics, it has to work. LOL.
You're not suggesting, are you, my friend, that I don't know the diff between sw and aerodynamic drag?
dadozen
Hall of Fame
You're not suggesting, are you, my friend, that I don't know the diff between sw and aerodynamic drag?
LOL, not at all dear friend!!!
But my humble opinion is that the Aeroskin hasn't much part on that. Of course, I know that it physically works( golf balls are the easiest examples ), but the aerodynamics involving the moviment of a racquet are much more complex. So I think that the aeroskin works, but not at significant levels. It's more like a gimmick.
The Dampener
Professional
Could you guys hug and get this over with? I'm about to cry.
Unfortunately, Damp, he's a little too young to hug.
The Dampener
Professional
Unfortunately, Damp, he's a little too young to hug.
That explains the Amber alert following your most recent posts.
jack hoyer
New User
I just received a 4D demo from TW. In comparing it with my AG100 it seems the 4D's head is slightly longer and a touch more narrow. It also measures more head light (about a .25 in.) than my AG100. Finally the 4.5 in. grip on the 4D seems like it might be slightly larger than the 4.5 in. grip on the AG100. Does any of that agree with the observations of others? Sorry if this has already been covered.
neverstopplaying
Professional
Sounds like elongation from positioning in the stringing machine.
jack hoyer
New User
Dadozen, Thanks for your reply. The head shape difference I'm seeing between the TW 4D100 demo, and my AG100 is pretty clear. If I hold the racquets together with the AG100 on top or closest to my face I can see about 1/8" of both the left and right edges of the 4D100 frame behind it. If i hold the 2 racquets the other way with the 4D100 frame on top, or closest to my face, and align the tops of the frames, I can see about 1/8" of the bottom of the AG100 frame. Your suggestion about differences in stringing is interesting. My AG100's string job is probably close to a year old. It's strung at the low end of the recommended range with a hybrid of LUX Big Banger Original in the crosses, and gut in the mains. I do remember asking the stringer to string the Lux BBO crosses even somewhat looser. The TW 4D100 demo is all one string, and is strung much tighter overall. The grip size I'm much less clear about. Maybe they are the same as you suggest. I'm hoping the shape of the handle is the same as well, as the shape of the AG100 handle suits me well. I actually lost one of my AG100s a week or 2 ago when I left it behind at a local court (duh!) . Depending on how the 4D100 demo goes, I'll either buy that racquet, or look for a used AG100 or two. Thanks again, Jack
jack hoyer
New User
Thanks, Neverstopplaying. It does seem the head shape differences I'm seeing may be string job related. Regarding my relative grip size/shape ambiguity, I have the Dunlop Hydra Max Tour replacement grip on my AG100, but I remember now that I removed the gray colored cushioning strip underneath it before installing it. Sorry for that confusion. By the way, do either of you have a preference for playing with the 4D100 vs the AG100?, or vice-versa?
brian14190
Rookie
I joined the AG100 club today. I picked up a new 4D AG100. I strung it with Babolat Hybrid (Hurricane Tour+Xcel) at 53 lbs.
This is the first Dunlop midsize I have owned. Only other Dunlop owned was a M-Fil 300.
I am getting back into tennis after not playing much for many years.
I really want to use a midsize racquet, but wanted a racquet below 12oz. My racquet with dampener and grip wrap is 11.7oz.
Initial impression:
-Not sure quite yet about the paint job. It is unique that is for sure. It is kind of cool how it looks different based on the angle you are looking at.
-I went and hit some serves and some groundstrokes by hitting against a board and also hitting over the net by dropping the ball.
-I really enjoyed the serving. I was able to get good spin and also good pace with a flatter serve.
-Very limited trial of groundstrokes was very positive. The racquet seemed solid and I was able to get very good topspin. I have confidence that my
1HBH will work nicely with this racquet.
-I really like the feel of the slim frame (19mm) when I swing it.
Of course I will get a true test when I actually get to hit with someone.
This is the first Dunlop midsize I have owned. Only other Dunlop owned was a M-Fil 300.
I am getting back into tennis after not playing much for many years.
I really want to use a midsize racquet, but wanted a racquet below 12oz. My racquet with dampener and grip wrap is 11.7oz.
Initial impression:
-Not sure quite yet about the paint job. It is unique that is for sure. It is kind of cool how it looks different based on the angle you are looking at.
-I went and hit some serves and some groundstrokes by hitting against a board and also hitting over the net by dropping the ball.
-I really enjoyed the serving. I was able to get good spin and also good pace with a flatter serve.
-Very limited trial of groundstrokes was very positive. The racquet seemed solid and I was able to get very good topspin. I have confidence that my
1HBH will work nicely with this racquet.
-I really like the feel of the slim frame (19mm) when I swing it.
Of course I will get a true test when I actually get to hit with someone.
roundiesee
Hall of Fame
Hi Guys; I'm starting to play more with the 100 now even though I was temporarily distracted by the "new" PS 85; must have been discussed before, but I would like to know what strings and tension you guys use (too tedious to look through the entire thread 
) I'm leaning slightly towards a soft multi at low tensions (48 lbs?) as my arm is pretty sensitive. Would that play well on the 100? Thanks!
) I'm leaning slightly towards a soft multi at low tensions (48 lbs?) as my arm is pretty sensitive. Would that play well on the 100? Thanks!
Hi Guys; I'm starting to play more with the 100 now even though I was temporarily distracted by the "new" PS 85; must have been discussed before, but I would like to know what strings and tension you guys use (too tedious to look through the entire thread
That will depend on your playing style. I like my bio 100 with Lux Alu Ruf in the crosses and Vs. Team 17g. main at 50/58 lbs. using electronic continuous pull machine pre-stretched 10/5% respectively.
roundiesee
Hall of Fame
Thanks guys but I really cannot use poly at all, even if I should hybrid with a soft multi , that's how bad my arm is. Does anyone use a multi or a soft synthetic at low tensions, or does the 100 play best strung above 50 lbs?
, that's how bad my arm is. Does anyone use a multi or a soft synthetic at low tensions, or does the 100 play best strung above 50 lbs?
neverstopplaying
Professional
I only played the AG100, not the 4d, but I really enjoyed it. I like Dunlop in general, though not using them right now. I play well with AG300,4D200 and Ag100.
tacotanium
Professional
i concur 100%. i just got my first 4D100 and it does seems longer than the AG100 on the hoop and the 4 1/4 on the 4D100 feels a tad larger than the 4 1/4 on my AG100.
and i don't think it's elongation of the frame. it's brand new unstrung. my 4 3/4 AG100, that i don't play much with, still strung with its very first string job from TW i purchased back in 2009 and the frame on that still seems shorter than the 4D100.
the frame thickness on the 4D100 seems a tiny bit thicker than the AG100 too. maybe it's just black that make it seems like so, perhaps this is making the hoop looker longer, it's maybe tampered.
i like the grommets on the 4D100, it's the way it should of been a long time ago just like the badminton rackets, now they won't crack as much.
i still can't string it, i need to flare one of the holes.
jack hoyer
New User
Thanks Neverstopplaying ,CHOcobo, and Dadozen,
Yes, I've really enjoyed playing with my AG100s the past year, or so. Unfortunately, as I mentioned, I lost one of them. I played with the demo 4D from TW yesterday. That demo 4D is strung too tightly for me with what feels to be a dead synthetic string. If I buy one, I'll probably go with gut mains, and poly crosses fairly loosely strung. Even with identical replacement grips, and overwraps installed on both the demo 4D,and my AG100, the 4D 4 1/2" handle does feel a touch larger. Maybe the Dunlop Hydra Max Tour grip on my Ag 100 has compressed over time...? CHOcobo, your observations about the 4D100/AG100 hoop shape differences is very interesting, and does agree with what I'm seeing. The somewhat more head light balance, and lower swing weight of the 4D will take some getting used to, but I think those things would be fine after a few more playing sessions. I did like the feel of the 4D on ball impact quite a bit . It felt a bit more solid without being harsh - sort of "muted-solid-with feel". It seems very promising , and I look forward to demoing it further this week. Depending on how that goes, I'll probably either buy a 4D from TW, or look for a used AG100, or two. If I do decide to stay with the AG100, anyone know where I could find a new one? Thanks again to all, Jack
Yes, I've really enjoyed playing with my AG100s the past year, or so. Unfortunately, as I mentioned, I lost one of them. I played with the demo 4D from TW yesterday. That demo 4D is strung too tightly for me with what feels to be a dead synthetic string. If I buy one, I'll probably go with gut mains, and poly crosses fairly loosely strung. Even with identical replacement grips, and overwraps installed on both the demo 4D,and my AG100, the 4D 4 1/2" handle does feel a touch larger. Maybe the Dunlop Hydra Max Tour grip on my Ag 100 has compressed over time...? CHOcobo, your observations about the 4D100/AG100 hoop shape differences is very interesting, and does agree with what I'm seeing. The somewhat more head light balance, and lower swing weight of the 4D will take some getting used to, but I think those things would be fine after a few more playing sessions. I did like the feel of the 4D on ball impact quite a bit . It felt a bit more solid without being harsh - sort of "muted-solid-with feel". It seems very promising , and I look forward to demoing it further this week. Depending on how that goes, I'll probably either buy a 4D from TW, or look for a used AG100, or two. If I do decide to stay with the AG100, anyone know where I could find a new one? Thanks again to all, Jack
Hewex
Semi-Pro
I'm having a terrible year, and while I don't blame the 100's, I'm considering going up to a 95si. I hit with a Yonex 98si racquet and it felt unwieldly and was too light. When I picked up my 100 again, it felt so perfect. Yet, I'm mis-hitting groundstrokes and my serve has no pace and not much spin....I know most of it is me...but, the 100 may just be too much racquet for me. Playing a league match tomorrow, so hopefully it goes better.
On another note, it's nice to see others have started playing this stick
On another note, it's nice to see others have started playing this stick
Hewex
Semi-Pro
Good thought! The only racquets I have left are the Dunlops, a Pro Kennex graphite from the early 90's and some wooden ones(ha). Definitely time to add more choices. I thought I was set for a while, so I got rid of my Ksurge's, Yonex RDS 001 MP, Ozone 7's and POG. Now, I have a good excuse to buy some new sticks. Although, my wife is cool about me buying stuff since I rarely overdo it.
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roundiesee
Hall of Fame
Thanks bad! I'll certainly try that the first chance I get!
H , have you tried the Wilson prostaff series? I too have been hitting weak groundies and poor volleys recently with the 100; recently I've been playing with an old prokennex silver ace and the kps 88, and somehow when I switched back to the 100, I started playing better (also, I restrung the 100 at lower tensions to get more pop). There are plenty of options with the prostaff (eg the asian/us blx, asian/us k 90, or the most recent ps 85, or even the kps if you can find one). Best of luck with your upcoming matches!
jack hoyer
New User
As a postscript: A friend returned my lost Ag100 (the one I left behind,and thought was a goner) today! He had been holding it for me. Whew ! But the incident did lead me to demo the 4D100, which I'm very glad about. I played 4 sets of good doubles with it today. It still feels good to me - volleys were fine, I'm adjusting to the balance, and starting to hit out more on groundstrokes,etc., it feels well balanced, solid, but very maneuverable. I may well buy one. Thanks to all for your replies and info. - Jack
KLE
Rookie
Perfect time to buy one, since its proice dropped to $99.
tacotanium
Professional
KLE, hows the durability and playability of your polylon/ogsm set up? i did the same one time (with different string tension, i think it was 45/42), it was great but it lost A LOT of lbs.
i've been stringing with mains tighter ever since i got into polys. now i'm doing vice versa (tighter on the softer string), which make much more sense to me now and should have been doing from the start.
i've been stringing with mains tighter ever since i got into polys. now i'm doing vice versa (tighter on the softer string), which make much more sense to me now and should have been doing from the start.
The Dampener
Professional
Jack, I've played both extensively. And if you blindfolded me and put a frame in my hand, I couldn't tell you which one it was. I ended up using the 4D, but it was based on nothing more than an arbitrary psychological preference. I still own both, and once in a while pull out the original. Playing with it is still sweet.
Round, I currently use Gosen MS at 48lbs. Yes, it's a synthetic, but I use the 18Gs which feel softer to me than the 16s or 17s. Also, I've used Yonex 850s, Babolat Addiction, and Pro Supex Maxim Touch—all of which are pretty soft—with satisfaction and success. And just so you know, there are a number of us who play the 100 at tensions in the 40s.
You guys must be some very discerning frame owners. I've owned several of both frames for years, and I've never observed the differences you type of. My impression was that these sticks were from the same mold. I've replace the grommets on both, and the use the very same sets. My guess is that you may be picking up on slight manufacturing variances.
You're not alone, Hew. I think what you describe is just a normal part of playing tennis. I often have days where I feel like I'm late on my groundies or serving a brick instead of a ball. But it almost always comes back when I figure out why it's happening, tinker with my technique, and find my way back. We're all different, of course. I just think we often look at our sticks when thinks aren't going well, and we just have to remember that we cant play our best every time we're on the court.
jack hoyer
New User
You guys must be some very discerning frame owners. I've owned several of both frames for years said:
The Dampener
Professional
Jack, that's really odd. I just compared two of my 4Ds to two of my AGs, and they're virtually identical. Given that the molds, I believe, are the same, I'm surprised the differences you notice are that obvious. But, hey, Choco sees them to. So maybe there's something to it. I do know that strung hoops can often be shaped differently than unstrung ones.
KLE
Rookie
Chocobo, i really like that setup which provide a soft poly'synth hybrid for me. i had been toying with diff tensions and found this combination is perfect for me. I usually cut the strings after 2 months or 40 hrs, therefore I really don't know how long they will last.
jack hoyer
New User
The Dampener, Well, I looked again, at my two AG100s which are strung with different strings (one a gut/poly hybrid - the other pure poly) at somewhat different tensions, and even they at present show slightly different hoop shapes! They are much closer to each other than to the demo 4D however. The 4D hoop is about 1/4" narrower than the AG100 hoops at the widest point. Conversely, if I align the tops of the hoops the 4D is about 1/4" longer towards the handle. Perhaps as Dadozen, and Neverstopplaying suggested, the differences have to do with how the racquets are strung..?
roundiesee
Hall of Fame
Round, I currently use Gosen MS at 48lbs. Yes, it's a synthetic, but I use the 18Gs which feel softer to me than the 16s or 17s. Also, I've used Yonex 850s, Babolat Addiction, and Pro Supex Maxim Touch—all of which are pretty soft—with satisfaction and success. And just so you know, there are a number of us who play the 100 at tensions in the 40s.
Thanks Damp; will try this setup too when I get the chance; still leaning towards a lower tension, dare I say even the low 40s? Don't know what I'm in for though
tacotanium
Professional
i never really observed the difference ether. the day the 4D100 got delivered i immediately looked at the unstrung frame, for the first second and the very first thing that came to mind was it being 1 or 2 sq in smaller than the AG100. i knew something was different. i got carious and compared side by side and turns out the 4D100 just looks narrower. i will do it again once i create myself a flare tool (which i just did hours ago) and string my 4D100.
vincent_tennis
Professional
Hey guys about to blow $300 on 3 4D's
I'm planning on gripping TW's luxurious leather on to them, (the 1.3, 22mm)
I normally play 4 3/8 Wilsons with TW leather + OG
Should I get the 4 1/4 or the 4 3/8?
Many Thanks guy
Vince
I'm planning on gripping TW's luxurious leather on to them, (the 1.3, 22mm)
I normally play 4 3/8 Wilsons with TW leather + OG
Should I get the 4 1/4 or the 4 3/8?
Many Thanks guy
Vince
dadozen
Hall of Fame
Hey guys about to blow $300 on 3 4D's
I'm planning on gripping TW's luxurious leather on to them, (the 1.3, 22mm)
I normally play 4 3/8 Wilsons with TW leather + OG
Should I get the 4 1/4 or the 4 3/8?
Many Thanks guy
Vince
Vincent, I think Wilson's and Dunlop's grip sizes/shapes are pretty similar. My guess is that you'll be fine with the Dunlop's 3/8s.
vincent_tennis
Professional
jack hoyer
New User
Gut/Poly Hybrid for 4D
I'm planning to order a 4D100 from TW soon. I'm thinking to go with Babolat VS gut in the mains strung at 55lbs, and Luixilon BB Original in the crosses at 50 lbs. Any thoughts, or suggestions about strings and tensions for the 4D100 would be appreciated. Thanks, Jack
I'm planning to order a 4D100 from TW soon. I'm thinking to go with Babolat VS gut in the mains strung at 55lbs, and Luixilon BB Original in the crosses at 50 lbs. Any thoughts, or suggestions about strings and tensions for the 4D100 would be appreciated. Thanks, Jack
jack hoyer
New User
Thanks Guys, Dadozen, your info about the VS Team/Scorpion1.22 is interesting. I may well try the same setup, including the tensions. I wasn't aware of Scorpion co- poly strings. They seem to be well thought of in TW's feedback. By the way, sorry for my ignorance, but what is a co-poly exactly? Also, did you find the Scorpion 1.22 held its' tension well ? Thanks a lot, Jack
dadozen
Hall of Fame
Jack, a co-poly is merely a poly from a newer generation. A co-poly is usually less stiff and holds tension better.
Check out the WeissCannon strings: Scorpion, Silverstring, Mosquito Bite, Black5Edge... all great strings. I just don't use them anymore because the BM200 has a really low stiffness, so I think stiffers strings( such as SPPP ) fits it better.
Check out the WeissCannon strings: Scorpion, Silverstring, Mosquito Bite, Black5Edge... all great strings. I just don't use them anymore because the BM200 has a really low stiffness, so I think stiffers strings( such as SPPP ) fits it better.
jack hoyer
New User
Thanks again Dadozen for all of your very helpful responses to my questions. They are much appreciated. - Jack
No! Go with the original
bad_call
Legend
No! Go with the original
haven't tried the original...think i need the 4D against the flat/heavy hitter types.
