***Dunlop Aerogel 1hundred (AG100) club***

[netguy]

I hit with both two months ago.
The big difference for me was at the power level on groundies and when serving flat to the T.
The 200 had the edge here. It looks like those extra 0.4 oz. on the 200 really counts. However, I added some lead tape on my 4D100 and I'm happy with the results.

 

[The Dampener]

Hello fellow 100 users,

I'm thinning out my fleet of Aerogel and Aerogel 4D 100s. Trying to find good homes for them. If you're in the market for a backup, drop by the for sale forum.

Thanks.

Damp

http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=420844

http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=420964

 

[Winners or Errors]

I hit with both two months ago.
The big difference for me was at the power level on groundies and when serving flat to the T.
The 200 had the edge here. It looks like those extra 0.4 oz. on the 200 really counts. However, I added some lead tape on my 4D100 and I'm happy with the results.

Hey. Where and how much lead? I find myself sliding back to the 200 looking for more plow, and I just received some lead tape. Wanting to experiment, as I like the feel of the 4D100 more, but it does get pushed around more than the 200.

I'm thinking of about 2 grams at 10 and the same at 2, but I'm not sure how to counterbalance the handle. I have never experimented with lead, so I'm a total novice.

 

[dadozen]

can you guys compare the 4D100 to the Bio200 18x20? same solid and dampened feeling, or is the Bio200 still hollowed like the 4D200?

i think i need a bigger frame. haha.

CHOcobo, I can tell you about those 2. Played with the 4D100 for almost a year( record! ) and with the BM200 for about 4 months. I really liked the BM200 18x20, I just switched to the YT Prestiges because I couldn't find 2 similar ones spec-wise and the grip had some flaws.

In stock form, the BM200 is much more powerful, it's like you crush the ball at every single swing you take. Very solid from all areas of the court, groundies, colleys, overheads, serves. Just take a swing and watch the bomb fly over the net.

The 4D100, on the other hand, is much more precise, a scalpel, as many here like to refer to. Underpowered( remember, in stock form ), it seems like you can put the ball wherever you want with your own hand. Excellent for old school players that like to rush to the net.

Each one has great qualities, and I'd be playing with the BM200 until now if I hadn't had the issues with the overall quality of current Dunlop frames( a shame, given the fact that Dunlop used to have one of the best QC out there ). Excellent feel, great plow through and very spin friendly, unlike the 18x20 string pattern might suggest.

I used to have a lot of lead tape on my 4D100s, 5g @3&9 at first, then 6g @3&9 and 1g@12. It made the racquet a lot better, without compromising its excellent manuverability.

 

[elquien]

Can we get an update on everyones current string set up? I'm looking to experiment.

 

[tacotanium]

CHOcobo, I can tell you about those 2. Played with the 4D100 for almost a year( record! ) and with the BM200 for about 4 months. I really liked the BM200 18x20, I just switched to the YT Prestiges because I couldn't find 2 similar ones spec-wise and the grip had some flaws.

In stock form, the BM200 is much more powerful, it's like you crush the ball at every single swing you take. Very solid from all areas of the court, groundies, colleys, overheads, serves. Just take a swing and watch the bomb fly over the net.

The 4D100, on the other hand, is much more precise, a scalpel, as many here like to refer to. Underpowered( remember, in stock form ), it seems like you can put the ball wherever you want with your own hand. Excellent for old school players that like to rush to the net.

Each one has great qualities, and I'd be playing with the BM200 until now if I hadn't had the issues with the overall quality of current Dunlop frames( a shame, given the fact that Dunlop used to have one of the best QC out there ). Excellent feel, great plow through and very spin friendly, unlike the 18x20 string pattern might suggest.

I used to have a lot of lead tape on my 4D100s, 5g @3&9 at first, then 6g @3&9 and 1g@12. It made the racquet a lot better, without compromising its excellent manuverability.

thanks for thoughts. it seems like i had the same experience as i did with those two. haha. i just got my hands on the Bio200 last month and strung a little bit too loose and since then haven't had the time to restring. it was awesome tho. i loved it but i keep wanting to go back to the 4D100. i don't know why.

once i restring my Bio200 then i might feel a bit different. but for now im loving my 4D100. i never played with it stock but i have played AG100 stock and just feels wobbly on most hits. for my 4D100 i now leaded up to 362grams and feels perfect. i have two of them but for some reason they're 4grams apart so my lead setup is different for both to be similar.

im really enjoying my 4D100 and not plan to switch for a long time. been about a year now. i might get another Bio200 just in case i want to up size since it's the best 95^2 in. frame i've played.

Can we get an update on everyones current string set up? I'm looking to experiment.

i have the cyberflash 17/ogsm 17 with 46/48lb setup and love it. sticking with this until i get a better job. im looking at the hextreme 1.25 though with the same cross.

 

[netguy]

Hey. Where and how much lead? I find myself sliding back to the 200 looking for more plow, and I just received some lead tape. Wanting to experiment, as I like the feel of the 4D100 more, but it does get pushed around more than the 200.

I'm thinking of about 2 grams at 10 and the same at 2, but I'm not sure how to counterbalance the handle. I have never experimented with lead, so I'm a total novice.

I added 10 grams total. 2 @ 10:30 and 2 @ 1:30. I also put 6 grams under the rubber band. Finally, I changed the grip. I use a Wilson K Grip. It works for me.

 

[elquien]

thanks CHOcobo

The more i read and search on this forum the more confused I get. So many choices! Here is my situation. I had a reel of polynova titanium and I have run out. It worked fine for me and it lasted quite a bit. I crossed it with PSGD in the crosses.

Money is not an issue. I string my own racquet with a drop weight stringer. But i hate stringing my sticks. I want the set up to last me as much as possible. Also i previously tried the lower tensions everyone likes. With cyberflash and blackcode. It did not work. I have fast full swings and i felt like i was compensating by slowing down or trying to add more topspin than felt natural and the balls were still flying. So I think I need to stay at 60lbs or high 50's.

Any help from anyone is appreciated.

 

[tacotanium]

thanks CHOcobo

The more i read and search on this forum the more confused I get. So many choices! Here is my situation. I had a reel of polynova titanium and I have run out. It worked fine for me and it lasted quite a bit. I crossed it with PSGD in the crosses.

Money is not an issue. I string my own racquet with a drop weight stringer. But i hate stringing my sticks. I want the set up to last me as much as possible. Also i previously tried the lower tensions everyone likes. With cyberflash and blackcode. It did not work. I have fast full swings and i felt like i was compensating by slowing down or trying to add more topspin than felt natural and the balls were still flying. So I think I need to stay at 60lbs or high 50's.

Any help from anyone is appreciated.

i string my rackets too.

are you sure it's not the strings? every time i go out and hit after not having a hit for 2 weeks, every ball sails on me especially the easy ones. after hitting for a day or 2 my shot recovers. btw, my cf 16/ogsm 17 at 45/48lb lasted me about 6 or 7 months. im not picky about tension (didn't loose much tension anyways) so i could hit and play just fine, so i didn't restrung till it started to move like crazy.

 

[boramiNYC]

Wow, didn't know this club existed. Demoing right now but as soon as I received and swung a few times I knew it was the one for me so i ordered a set of three. BTW, switching from POG mid. The narrower head shape has been great for faster swing. I think I'll love this racquet for a long while.

 

[elquien]

I need to keep a log of all the strings i am trying out. I have lost track of my experiments. I have not tried cyberflash. I was confused. Also I realized that I was buying 17 gauge instead of 16 gauge and I would imagine that it would make a big difference having 16 g or 17 g on the mains. I am going to try cyberflash/nvy hybrid 16g at 55 lbs. If i don't get enough control I will try a higher tension. Should I be stringing at different tensions for the crosses and mains? I also bought prolineII 16g and redcode 16g. My local shop does not carry gosen synthetic gut or sidewinder which i will also try out later. thanks for your feed back.

 

[Passion4Tennis]

I played with the AG 100 for about 6 months. I was able to hit serves with good pace and spin, and I hit the best fh passing shots in my life with this stick. Volleys were impressive too, but I struggled with it some on my 2hbh. The low sw that I enjoyed with it on the fh side, didn't help my 2hbh. I wanted more plow on that side. I tried putting lead on it in different locations and in varying amounts, but it didn't work. The lead helped my bh some, but it took away from my fh.

I've heard the 4d 100 feels more stable than the ag 100, so I may buy one and experiment with it. The 100 was a fun racquet to play with. I really miss those insane passing shots I could create with it.

 

[tacotanium]

I need to keep a log of all the strings i am trying out. I have lost track of my experiments. I have not tried cyberflash. I was confused. Also I realized that I was buying 17 gauge instead of 16 gauge and I would imagine that it would make a big difference having 16 g or 17 g on the mains. I am going to try cyberflash/nvy hybrid 16g at 55 lbs. If i don't get enough control I will try a higher tension. Should I be stringing at different tensions for the crosses and mains? I also bought prolineII 16g and redcode 16g. My local shop does not carry gosen synthetic gut or sidewinder which i will also try out later. thanks for your feed back.

from my experience, always string the softer string tighter. i used both 16g and 17g of cyberflash, on the mains. 3lb tighter for the 16g and 2lb tighter for the 17g. 16g is much more durable. 17g sounds much better at impact though. performance wise, i can't tell much a difference since i didn't play 17g that long. great string for a cheap setup.

I've heard the 4d 100 feels more stable than the ag 100, so I may buy one and experiment with it. The 100 was a fun racquet to play with. I really miss those insane passing shots I could create with it.

yes the 4D100 does feels more stable. i like it a lot better. i want to try the Euro Bio100 but there has to be a point where i have to stop buying rackets. lol. im stopping at 4D100 and Bio200. both of those racket, you don't need a dampener. they don't make those annoying ping noise (at least for me they don't) as much.

 

[bad_call]

FWIW....

http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=6049859&postcount=2940

 

[elquien]

thank you chocobo. I should be getting my strings today to try the cyberflash out this weekend. I am sticking with 16g for all strings. I cant deal with so many variables.

thank you bad call. You had recommended that setup earlier in the thread and the WC string is also on order.

Unlike you guys I really don't like all this experimenting. I hope to find a good fit soon and stick with it for a few years.

 

[bad_call]

elquien - if you find an acceptable string setup then sticking with it is wise. this player is using the B5E/N.Vy setup for the last 6+ string jobs. not against trying new strings however having but 2 4D100s allows only 1 racquet for testing strings.

 

[Winners or Errors]

Speaking of strings. I am finding MSV Hex 1.18 and Dunlop Hexy Fiber 16 to be a great combo. The Hexy fiber is actually solid with pretty much any poly, but I've liked Hex the most in mine. I string at 50#.

Still waiting to try B5E; I have a few sets sitting on the stringer. Will see if that's better. I don't think I'll be changing the cross, though.

 

[tacotanium]

now i want to try the B5E too. the reel is a bit cheaper than the hextreme.

 

[Bigtime]

Can we get an update on everyones current string set up? I'm looking to experiment.

Still using full bed natural gut. Currently liking Klip Legend 15L at 57# I think. TW leather grip added + a little weight in the handle + head tape = 12.5 oz total, very head-light.

 

[elquien]

So my hybrid TF RedCode/NVY worked out well. I foolishly strung the red code at 58#s thinking it was a full poly and it is a very soft co-poly. So I was having to slow down my swing to keep the ball on court. So I am going to string it a 60#s and hope it feels better. The next combo will by the cyberflash/nvy. The process is not as excrutiating as I thought it would be. I think when the set up is too far from the target, the need to compensate and adjust makes going out to hit a real ordeal. But when the set up is at least close to what one is looking for and requires only slight addition of spin or adjustment of swing speed, it is actually fun. No more experimenting with the low tensions for me. Thanks to all for the suggestions.

 

[cluckcluck]

I've been thinking about switching to the 100, I find the smaller head size appealing. I currently play with the Donnay x-dark red 94, it's a great frame, I like the flex that it has, I worry that the AG100 is going to be rather stiff.
Would you not recommend the switch?

 

[bad_call]

this player doesn't find the 4D100 stiff but comfortable and gives good shot feedback. haven't tried the Bio 100 so can't comment.

 

[netguy]

Bio 100 is stiffer than the 4D 100.
Actually, I don't find the 4D 100 stiff

 

[cluckcluck]

Bio 100 is stiffer than the 4D 100.
Actually, I don't find the 4D 100 stiff

Great! Thanks guys. Do you find it at all powerful?

 

[netguy]

The power level of the 4D 100 is low which I like

 

[gocard]

Anyone have a comparison of the 4D 100 or the Bio 100 to the n95? I'm trying to search in the thread but mostly came up with my old posts regarding the original AG 100.

 

[Passion4Tennis]

I just started using the AG 100 again after a 2 year lapse. I played my best tennis with this one, and the only reason I gave it up was due to a mild pain in my shoulder. I think I can attribute that to the strings and the higher tension I was using at the time. I have this one strung up with PPA, and it feels great.

I had been using an I prestige mid, and I loved it, but it's getting harder to find them in good used condition. The 100 serves even better for me than the I prestige, which is also a great racquet to serve with. Ground strokes are more solid with the prestige in stock form, but I'll add a little lead at 9 and 3 to this and that should do it.

 

[rst]

i have two AG-4D-100s.

both with ash. kevlar mains and a reel of forten 15L syngut on the crosses.

i have mcenr-acketed one at 50lbs on both strings and the other at 62 lbs cross and 56 main kevlar.

depending how i am swinging on a given day i use one or the other.

i find the racket to be a low powered control/placement oriented racket. nice for spanking flat forehands slow an deep or quick quick and low and very accurate on on handed backhands (slice and top)..if not all that powerful.

i have large hands/long fingers so i have to put two layers of 'overwrap' underneath a dunlop leather grip and add a tournagrip over that. this puts a fair amount of weight at the handle end of the racket making it especially nice for whipping the head into a flat or chopping slice forehand.

i think dunlop did a good thing by keeping the racket sub 12oz and more HL to better allow for custom weighting...i could even stand for it to be even lighter overall, though i serve better with a heavier racket the low SW and HL-ness are a joy for groundstrokes.

 

[rst]

true. with a fair amount of headtape on the AG-4D-100s the racket can be weighted to really plow thru the ball with excellent accuracy and power.

elbow and should issues (and very large hands) keep me from weighting the racket this way comfortably.

 

[ahuimanu]

...just tried the 4d 100 in some competitive doubles and nailed some of the hardest forehands/serves I've ever hit. The combination of stability, maneuverability and pop is interesting. The racquet was strung with solinco tour bite around 55lbs (bought 5 ea from a buddy who didn't like them).

Reminds me of the pro staff graphite or perhaps the ultra 2 mid plus with stability (yes I'm an old schooler).

Too much work for my level of play these days but nice to hit with for a change of pace.

Great stick!

 

[netguy]

Anyone using full bed natural gut with the 4D 100? What tension and brand?
How do you like it? thanks

 

[bad_call]

^ this player doesn't have the pocket$ for gut...in ANY racquet.

 

[sepidoel]

I tried to read a few pages back and it surprised me that no one preferred Bio 100 over 4D100. I never use the latter, but Bio 100 with leather grip feels really nice to me.

Really, no one?

 

[tacotanium]

I tried to read a few pages back and it surprised me that no one preferred Bio 100 over 4D100. I never use the latter, but Bio 100 with leather grip feels really nice to me.

Really, no one?

I didn't. I really want to try out the Bio100 US version but it's a little spendy right now. I just like the specs better than the 4D100.

 

[lgbalfa]

i don't think i can read through 155 pages of this thread but i just joined the club as i purchased (3) 4D 100's today.

 

[leroy_sunset]

I just did a search for "tension" to see what worked for other people. I guess sub-55lbs is recommended (some say the real tension range should be 50-60 like other similar player's sticks).

 

[raguhtheman]

i am in

I am in as well as I play with two 4D 100 racquets!!

 

[Mister drool]

I have but one 4d 100 (previously owned a bio100 but sold that one)
and i'm looking forward to star seeing some reviews of the new f 1.0 soon!
i have hit with a f3.0 tour and must say the fiber in these new frames makes them somewhat softer than the previous generation. a welcomed change, at least for me

 

[djNEiGht]

I just strung one up for my brother-inlaw with 16g Tier One Triumph at 60#. He has a couple of them but likes playing with his 200 more. Feedback with a multi at mid tension was very good for him.

 

[BreakPoint]

I have but one 4d 100 (previously owned a bio100 but sold that one)
and i'm looking forward to star seeing some reviews of the new f 1.0 soon!
i have hit with a f3.0 tour and must say the fiber in these new frames makes them somewhat softer than the previous generation. a welcomed change, at least for me

Why did you sell your Bio 100 but keep your 4D 100?

Also, is the F3.0 Tour really softer than the Bio 300 Tour? I thought Dunlop had gone stiffer with this new generation of racquets?

 

[lgbalfa]

has anyone in america ordered the f1.0 from TW europe and if so how much was it with shipping?

thanks

 

[jacp]

Anyone using full bed natural gut with the 4D 100? What tension and brand?
How do you like it? thanks

Hi,
I strung with Tonic+ 16 at 57lbs.
Initially it was OK but once loosened it created too much power.
Either go higher or all the way down to around 50 if you like that "pocketing feeling". I will do the latter.
Jack

 

[lgbalfa]

can someone post pics of where they applied the lead tape on the 4d 100 to increase the swing weight?

also - what size lead tape did you use?

thanks

 

[tacotanium]

Currently string testing my 4D100's; one with sppp 123/ogsm 17 and other with yptp 125/ogsm 17 with the same tension of about 46/48. I haven't had a lot of time with them yet but so far the sppp is a bit stiffer than the yptp. The yptp is a bit mushier. They're both great strings but I'm testing for durability.

Anyone tried gut or multi in the main and a hard/soft poly in the cross? This is what I really want to try out, but running out on strings.


Another thing, I have one Bio 100 (green) and the specs is not like the teal's Bio 100. I was trying to get the swing weight on it but it's a bit low, 307, so low from the teal. why is that? I thought people on here say the specs are identical for both. The sw calculater (from TW) has been pretty accurate for me.

can someone post pics of where they applied the lead tape on the 4d 100 to increase the swing weight?

also - what size lead tape did you use?

thanks

If you want to increase the swing weight with minimum lead/weight used, put it at the 12'O clock...simple.

 

[lgbalfa]

Currently string testing my 4D100's; one with sppp 123/ogsm 17 and other with yptp 125/ogsm 17 with the same tension of about 46/48. I haven't had a lot of time with them yet but so far the sppp is a bit stiffer than the yptp. The yptp is a bit mushier. They're both great strings but I'm testing for durability.

Anyone tried gut or multi in the main and a hard/soft poly in the cross? This is what I really want to try out, but running out on strings.



If you want to increase the swing weight with minimum lead/weight used, put it at the 12'O clock...simple.

ok thanks for the info.

 

[sepidoel]

Another thing, I have one Bio 100 (green) and the specs is not like the teal's Bio 100. I was trying to get the swing weight on it but it's a bit low, 307, so low from the teal. why is that? I thought people on here say the specs are identical for both. The sw calculater (from TW) has been pretty accurate for me.

From what I know TW's SW spec is usually different to the factory published version. This is still a mystery for me.

If anyone want to borrow me the stock teal version, 4 3/8 plus gamma leather grip I will gladly compare the two.

 

[BreakPoint]

Another thing, I have one Bio 100 (green) and the specs is not like the teal's Bio 100. I was trying to get the swing weight on it but it's a bit low, 307, so low from the teal. why is that? I thought people on here say the specs are identical for both. The sw calculater (from TW) has been pretty accurate for me.

Just to clarify - Are you saying the swingweight of the green Bio 100 is lower than that of the teal version? That is, the green is 307 but the teal is 323 (TW's published spec)? Are you comparing both strung?

 

[tacotanium]

Just to clarify - Are you saying the swingweight of the green Bio 100 is lower than that of the teal version? That is, the green is 307 but the teal is 323 (TW's published spec)? Are you comparing both strung?

Yes, yes, and yes. I test mine when it's stock and strung.

Is the Bio 100 teal really 5HL balance? Other sites are saying it has a 320mm balance.

 

[BreakPoint]

Yes, yes, and yes. I test mine when it's stock and strung.

Is the Bio 100 teal really 5HL balance? Other sites are saying it has a 320mm balance.

OK, thanks. I thought the specs of both were supposed to be the same, too.

But you only have the green Bio 100 and not the teal Bio 100, right? So you're using the SW calculator and not actually measuring it on a RDC machine to get the 307 SW on the green Bio 100, correct? Whereas, TW actually measured the SW of the teal Bio 100 on a RDC machine to determine the 323 SW. Could that be the difference?

BTW, have you measured the balance of your green Bio 100? If so, how does it compare to TW's spec of 5 pts HL for the teal version?

 

[tacotanium]

OK, thanks. I thought the specs of both were supposed to be the same, too.

But you only have the green Bio 100 and not the teal Bio 100, right? So you're using the SW calculator and not actually measuring it on a RDC machine to get the 307 SW on the green Bio 100, correct? Whereas, TW actually measured the SW of the teal Bio 100 on a RDC machine to determine the 323 SW. Could that be the difference?

BTW, have you measured the balance of your green Bio 100? If so, how does it compare to TW's spec of 5 pts HL for the teal version?

Yes I don't have a teal Bio 100 to test/compare with. Yes im using the SW calculator from TW and got 309 (consistently) now with leather and an over grip strung. If there is a difference then I don't think there could be that much of a difference.

My green Bio 100 balance with the stock grip and factory strung was 12.45 in (316.23mm, 7.9HL).

I'm thinking the green Bio 100 is identical to the 4D100.

The specs of the teal Bio 100 is perfect for me to customize, if it wasn't for the nasty teal. I'm starting to feel the instability of my 4D100 hitting face pace balls now. It just feels a bit wobbly (366g at 7.75HL).