Dunlop Biomimetic 200 players - what's your setup?

Keifers

Legend
Guys, i really enjoy my Bio 200s but there's always something feeling wrong and weird with the grip. I kept re-wrapping it thinking it was my bad, an installation error but i came to a shocking conclusion tonight after receiving a second one: the Biomimetic has a smaller, different buttcap than my Aerogels and M-Fils which fit my hand like a glove. Has any ex-AG players also noticed this?

If you use a thick, cushioning type of grip with an overgrip, you may not notice this at all. It bugs me because i've been using a firm and thin grip (Bab skin feel) wrapped very tightly around the handle on all my frames. The subtle difference really annoys me; do you think i could get a hold of some old Dunlop buttcaps to install on my Biomimetics?

If any of you guys ever remove your grips, could you do me a favor and compare the buttcap with an Aerogel or M-Fil one? I swear i'm not crazy :shock:
I have a 4D 200 Tour and a demo Bio 200 Tour in front of me, Hidious. The 4D's butt cap is definitely more flared. TW has both types for sale:

http://www.tennis-warehouse.com/searchresults.html?search=products&searchtext=dunlop+butt+caps
 

tacotanium

Professional
sup guys. how does the 4D200 compare to the Bio200? i just sold my 4D200 because it was bad. every hit felt and sounded hollowed just like KLE said about the 4D200 tour. maybe i just got a defected one since everyone on here says it good and not much bad about the 4D200.

does the Bio200 feels more solid, just like the 4D100?
i love my 4D100 btw.
 

Jonny S&V

Hall of Fame
sup guys. how does the 4D200 compare to the Bio200? i just sold my 4D200 because it was bad. every hit felt and sounded hollowed just like KLE said about the 4D200 tour. maybe i just got a defected one since everyone on here says it good and not much bad about the 4D200.

does the Bio200 feels more solid, just like the 4D100?
i love my 4D100 btw.

Far more solid. They went back to the old mold, without the tapered bridge, and I love it so much better.
 

bmwfool

New User
I play with the Bio 200. I have used Pro Supex 17 @ 58, Solinco Red 17, and Silk. I like the Supex and Solinco Red, but the Silk felt strange to me.
 

crosscourt

Professional
I love the feel and flex of the Bio 200 but it is just a little light. Has anyone added weight without losing feel and flex?

Many thanks.

cc
 

steve260z

Rookie
Mine weigh 12.4 and 12.3 with leather grips.
After trying ALU, Dunlop Silk, Technifibre 18g Black Code and BHBR....I prefer BHBR at 49/47. Great pocketing, spin, power and control. I do restring after about 6 hours...
 
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Jonny S&V

Hall of Fame
I matched the other two to the heaviest one, so I have all three at 12.8 oz and 7 points headlight. Maybe I just liked it heavier...
 

Keifers

Legend
Mine is just under 12 oz (340 grams) and 6.2 pts HL with a gut/poly hybrid and rubberband dampener -- very close to TW's measurements.

I wouldn't mind trying a heavier example, though. Mine plays so well as is, I don't want to mess with it.
 

tacotanium

Professional
Far more solid. They went back to the old mold, without the tapered bridge, and I love it so much better.

more than the 4D100? really? hmmm

well whats the difference between the us and euro verions of the bio200? us version have one more mains skip, meaning more less dense pattern?

i and noticed it has a better contrast blue color, way better. geez......first economy and now rackets have gone bad here in the us.
 
I am finding my experiences don't relate well to the average TTer. I hear all this 'no power, can't get depth' stuff and just can't relate. I think the problem is I am a 5.0 and have been playing since I was a little kid, I just don't play like they do...

I can just touch a half volley to the baseline with my 200s, no effort at all.
 
I am finding my experiences don't relate well to the average TTer. I hear all this 'no power, can't get depth' stuff and just can't relate. I think the problem is I am a 5.0 and have been playing since I was a little kid, I just don't play like they do...

I can just touch a half volley to the baseline with my 200s, no effort at all.

And that's why you can coach!
 

Jonny S&V

Hall of Fame
more than the 4D100? really? hmmm

well whats the difference between the us and euro verions of the bio200? us version have one more mains skip, meaning more less dense pattern?

i and noticed it has a better contrast blue color, way better. geez......first economy and now rackets have gone bad here in the us.

The Euro version is 16x19 if memory serves, the US 18x20. Idk what you're arguing, I love the dense-pattern, and the PJ is awesome, so I feel like the US is doing fine in this respect...

I am finding my experiences don't relate well to the average TTer. I hear all this 'no power, can't get depth' stuff and just can't relate. I think the problem is I am a 5.0 and have been playing since I was a little kid, I just don't play like they do...

I can just touch a half volley to the baseline with my 200s, no effort at all.

Agreed, I love doing pick-ups with a hefty frame that gives 'no-power'. More for me to swing. :)
 

tacotanium

Professional
The Euro version is 16x19 if memory serves, the US 18x20. Idk what you're arguing, I love the dense-pattern, and the PJ is awesome, so I feel like the US is doing fine in this respect...

the euro's bio200 is definitely not 16x19. it clearly says 18x20. and im not complaining about string density.

US version of bio200:
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String Pattern:
18 Mains / 20 Crosses
Mains skip: 8H, 10H, 9T
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Euro version of bio200
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String Pattern:
18 Mains / 20 Crosses
Mains skip: 9T, 9H
===========

see the difference in mains skip? i was only wondering if it make it more or less dense patter on the strings.
 

Jonny S&V

Hall of Fame
the euro's bio200 is definitely not 16x19. it clearly says 18x20. and im not complaining about string density.

US version of bio200:
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String Pattern:
18 Mains / 20 Crosses
Mains skip: 8H, 10H, 9T
===========

Euro version of bio200
===========
String Pattern:
18 Mains / 20 Crosses
Mains skip: 9T, 9H
===========

see the difference in mains skip? i was only wondering if it make it more or less dense patter on the strings.

Historically, the Euro versions of the 200 have been 16x19, but I guess that changed, haha....

I mean, I think you're making mountains out of mole-hills, much like people who think they'll notice a difference in 1-2 grams between sticks.
 

crosscourt

Professional
It isnt that the Euro versions have been 16x19, it's that there has been both an 18x20 and a lighter 16x19 in Europe.

cc
 
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we get the lighter 16 x 19 ag 200 in australia as well.

is that the bio 200 lite? I haven't really looked closely at them 'cos I hate the colour so much!
 

mromato64

Rookie
Finally had time to string and play with the 200!!! Strung it with full bed of MSV Focus Hex 1.18 at 55 lbs. Played for two hours and I am not disappointed. Very stable and maneuverable, and although it is a little underpowered, I got a lot of spin on both sides. Serves were alright. I'll play with it for a few more weeks and see how it goes.
 

holytennis

New User
@Dadozen

I see that you have switched to the IG Prestige MP. Would love a small comparison between the IG and the Bio 200.
 

dadozen

Hall of Fame
@Dadozen

I see that you have switched to the IG Prestige MP. Would love a small comparison between the IG and the Bio 200.

Holytennis, I've been palying with the IG Prestige MP for almost a month, and, although they are similar racquets performance-wise( both are low powered and high static weight ), they do have some differences.

The BM200 is more solid, from all areas of the court. This difference becomes clear at the net, especially on volleys. It's much easier to just block heavy shots with the Dunlop. it's also flexier, which translates into a buttery feel, even with poly - at low tensions.

The IG Prestige is a step up over the YT iteration, very maneuverable, easy to handle and still plenty of mass behind the ball on the shots. But the stability is not on par with the BM200, although it's not a weak department. The YT version was awful regarding feel, what has improved a lot in the new IG version( close to the Dunlop feel, but nto the same ).

The Prestige is more spin friendly, given the fact that it's easier to swing. The SW is much lower, which translates into very low power( even lower than the Dunlop ). I was using 45/44 with the Dunlops, but with the YTs and IGs I string polys at 39lbs.

Both are excellent racquets, but these small differences can make you choose one over the other.

Cheers,
 

holytennis

New User
Holytennis, I've been palying with the IG Prestige MP for almost a month, and, although they are similar racquets performance-wise( both are low powered and high static weight ), they do have some differences.

The BM200 is more solid, from all areas of the court. This difference becomes clear at the net, especially on volleys. It's much easier to just block heavy shots with the Dunlop. it's also flexier, which translates into a buttery feel, even with poly - at low tensions.

The IG Prestige is a step up over the YT iteration, very maneuverable, easy to handle and still plenty of mass behind the ball on the shots. But the stability is not on par with the BM200, although it's not a weak department. The YT version was awful regarding feel, what has improved a lot in the new IG version( close to the Dunlop feel, but nto the same ).

The Prestige is more spin friendly, given the fact that it's easier to swing. The SW is much lower, which translates into very low power( even lower than the Dunlop ). I was using 45/44 with the Dunlops, but with the YTs and IGs I string polys at 39lbs.

Both are excellent racquets, but these small differences can make you choose one over the other.

Cheers,


Thanks a lot. One last question, which did you feel was more forgiving and better feeling on off center hits?
 

kazamzaa

Rookie
Wanted to bump this thread because I've found some issues with my bio200. Now I really feel like I play my best tennis today. I use the racquet in stock form. Strung with gut/poly at 55/53 lbs. After playing with and testing racquets I'm starting to believe that I can't have it all in one. It is always a compromise. This bio 200 is close to deliver it all. BUT against better players I wish the sweet spot was bigger. I used the twu power zone comparision tool and it confirmed my feelings were correct.
I wonder if any of you with similar feelings have found something on this.
I've planned to try moderate lead at 3&9 next week. I will report how it goes. But probably it might feel too heavy and less manouverable. (tried blx90 once but did not have the skills or strength then to use it successfully).
If the lead tape experiment goes wrong I might want to try yet another raqcuet :'( The twu power zone tool and some TT posts have made me belive Donnay Pro One 97 16x19. They say it is really a 95 frame despite the specs. The only consern about it is that its too high powered for my current arm friendly string setup. Then I've just wasted another 200 usd. No demo program in my country.
Any thoughts?
 

kazamzaa

Rookie
I use a TW leather grip which allow for some lead at 3/9 or 10/2 and keeps it about 7-8 pts HL.

Thank you. Once I get rid of this flu I'll see what it does. It is expected to increase the torsional stability and widen the ss.
I was thinking of 6 grams of lead in total somewhere between 2-3 & 9-10.

If it gets too polarized I might put some at the balance point also.
 

OzNQc

Rookie
stock and with default prestrung silk strings at the moment

I bought 2 dirt cheap brand new dunlop biomimetic 200 tour bats earlier this year. They were prestrung with dunlop silk strings. I have only hit with them a few times. I definitely notice the swing weight (SW) difference in comparison to my volkl tour 10 V-engine MP bats which are around the same weight but heaps lower SW (340 for bio 200 T versus 314 T10VEMP). I definitely swing slower with the bio 200 T. Hence, I find that I can not get as much power :( I am a weakling LoL
 

Muppet

Legend
Trying to find Dunlop 200 series rackets that have a similar characteristic like the Muscle Weave 200G.
First demo was the 4D200 tour. This racket is not even close to MW 200G or better than the 4D100. It has a hollow and flimsy feel at impact.

The local shop in my area did not have the Bio200 or the 4D200 :)

The Bio200 appears to be the same mold as the MW200G. Also, they both have very low twist weights (from the power zone map page of TWU). This value helps greatly with swiveling the racquet face open at net and pronating through the ball on serve. Also, the feel of the frames are familiar due to similar twist weights. Unfortunately, the Bio200 feels more hollow than the MW, but these days they all do.

The stock weights are different, but I was able to get them within 5 grams of eachother, Bio200 @352g, MW200G @356g, both 8 HL. On the Bio200, I switched the Gecko Tac grip with a Gamma RZR Dri replacement. I've also settled on the Dunlop Viper Dry overgrip to give me the right size handle. The black Viper Dry is very tacky, but doesn't offer much cushion. The RZR Dri grip is on the soft side, so they work well together. I used a little lead tape at 6:00 and 11 and 1 to give it a little more plow and to balance it better.

For strings, the setup in my signature is my favorite in the MW @48/53. Right now, I have Pro Supex Spiral Flex in the Bio200. It feels pretty cheap, with a small sweet spot. Next I'll try the signature setup. I'm having a lot of luck with Pro's Pro Stratagem in my AG200, but it felt really cheap in the Bio200. Since I have a reel of it, I tried a couple of different tensions but it didn't play well. BTW, Stratagem is a Black Widow knock-off. In my Bio200, I also tried Gamma Revelation 17. I liked it a lot. It had a lot of spin, but it lost tension very quickly for a multi. Also, of course the feel was very different than the poly hybrid I use. Kind of mushy.

I know I like the Bio200 with a multi. I hope my signature hybrid setup pans out too. If not I can try Cyber Flash full bed too.
 
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BreakPoint

Bionic Poster
The Bio200 appears to be the same mold as the MW200G.
Nope. Definitely not.

Look at the indented angled cutouts at the top of the corners of the throat bridge on the Bio 200:

DB2H-2.jpg



On the MW200G, there are no cutouts in the corners of the throat bridge:

503573461_tp.jpg


Also, the throat bridge on the MW200G is thinner in beam width than the rest of the frame, whereas on the Bio 200, the throat bridge is the same beam width as the rest of the frame.

So definitely different molds.
 

Muppet

Legend
Nope. Definitely not.

Look at the indented angled cutouts at the top of the corners of the throat bridge on the Bio 200:

DB2H-2.jpg



On the MW200G, there are no cutouts in the corners of the throat bridge:

503573461_tp.jpg


Also, the throat bridge on the MW200G is thinner in beam width than the rest of the frame, whereas on the Bio 200, the throat bridge is the same beam width as the rest of the frame.

So definitely different molds.

Sorry, I was referring to the mold minus the elastomer yoke (the gray piece) that is inserted into the MW 200G. The shape of the Bio200 looks the same to me outside of the yoke.
 

BreakPoint

Bionic Poster
Sorry, I was referring to the mold minus the elastomer yoke (the gray piece) that is inserted into the MW 200G. The shape of the Bio200 looks the same to me outside of the yoke.
Huh? The throat bridge is part of the mold, as are having cutouts in the corners from the mold (Bio 200) or no cutouts in the corners from the mold (MW200G).
 

Muppet

Legend
Huh? The throat bridge is part of the mold, as are having cutouts in the corners from the mold (Bio 200) or no cutouts in the corners from the mold (MW200G).

Nope, the MW 200G is made up of three pieces. The black parts are braided graphite and the yoke is an elastomer, which gives it that nice dead feeling. Outside of that, I don't know how they assemble it. Could someone who knows more about the manufacture of this racquet post some info?
 

BoomGate

New User
I have the opportunity to trade for 2 x Bio 200s, or 2x IG Prestige Midplus'. Any major differences between them, or should I just choose whichever two are in the best condition?
 
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