Dunlop Experts: Feedback on AG200 & NT Revolution

haqq777

Legend
Hi guys, this one's for the Dunlop specialists out there. I recently acquired Aerogel 200 and NT Revolution pretty much based on whim (and because my holicism was tingling really hard). Anyway, would like a little help regarding strings and tension.

What string and tension would you recommend I start with for Aerogel 200? It is unstrung and I wanted to start off at least closer to how I might like the setup. For reference, I play full poly 50lbs on my Pure Storm Tours, Angell TC100 and have both my Phantom 93P around 42-45lb mark. I do not like a boardy feel and I have a feeling stringing this 95 sq in tight 18x20 with full poly might make it harsh. I can only do full poly strings at the moment so please recommend accordingly. It is supposed to be 63RA unstrung as shown on the stick by manufacturer so I am sure it wont be bad for the arm but I would hate for it to have a boardy feel. It would come to 350-353g range strung with OG and dampner which is in my wheehouse. I don't want to add any weight as this is my upper limit for static weight.

I plan on hitting with NT Revolution tonight or tomorrow as it came strung with YPTS 50/46 but any recommendations for that racquet would help as well. That has a bigger head size too and the 18x20 in it seems bit more open. After hitting I can make a better informed decision on where to go. It does swing lighter than what I am used to so I think I will have to add tad bit weight to the hoop.

I really don't have extensive experience with Dunlops so any useful info is welcome.

Cheers
 

haqq777

Legend
These are the two sticks. Posting a pic for ease since these are older models:

Gq675Cf.jpg
 

Crocodile

G.O.A.T.
In the end it comes down personal preference and playing style and your age. I've had the 4d aerogel in both the 16/19 and 18/20 and the biomimetic 200 and my preference has always been to go with w multi at around 50lbs.
Multi filaments won't last that long if your play every day, but I feel the comfort and power it offers is worth it. The aerogel in today's terms is going to be quite under powerered and I'd have to add weight to get the best out of it. I haven't hit with the NT but I thought it might have been a little lighter.
 

haqq777

Legend
In the end it comes down personal preference and playing style and your age. I've had the 4d aerogel in both the 16/19 and 18/20 and the biomimetic 200 and my preference has always been to go with w multi at around 50lbs.
Multi filaments won't last that long if your play every day, but I feel the comfort and power it offers is worth it. The aerogel in today's terms is going to be quite under powerered and I'd have to add weight to get the best out of it. I haven't hit with the NT but I thought it might have been a little lighter.
Thanks for the feedback. I agree that in the end it will def come down to personal preference. This one I have is the regular AG200 Tour spec and not 4D Aerogel 200 version btw. Very control oriented and like you mentioned, low powered. I was also thinking gut/poly might be a good way to go but I have a ton of poly lying around and I want to use it up before I buy any other strings. I break multifilament way too quickly anyway so that isn't an option for me. And yes, NT Revolution is lighter in weight and swings lighter as well. Definitely needs a little weight at 12. Very stable for a 338 strung stick though. Thanks again.
 

haqq777

Legend
Wow they look really nice for older frames!
Yep, the AG200 is in excellent shape. And to think it released in 2008, more than a decade ago now lol. The NT Revolution is a 2015 release so it is also about 3 years or so old and it looks scratchless really. I am keen to know the history of both lines but so far have not gotten much.
 

stingstang

Professional
Great frames. Wish I still had a few of them. I would use thin string and go low tension. I remember the AG200 playing beautifully with a poly mains/multi cross hybrid around 50lbs.
 

JonnyAbs

Semi-Pro
I had the AG 4D 200 Tour, but that was 16x19, so it was not low in power. Heavy as hell and tiring over a long match though.

I did try the standard AG 4D 200, and that was 18x20 and pretty low powered. I much prefered the 16x19 tour.

I always said that the AG 4D 200 in 16x19 that they offered in Europe would have been perfect because it would have the 11.8-12.0 ounce weight in an open pattern. However, if you like 18x20, then this will be for you. I use a lot of spin so I didn't like it and I struggled to hit consistently deep in the court.
 

haqq777

Legend
I had the AG 4D 200 Tour, but that was 16x19, so it was not low in power. Heavy as hell and tiring over a long match though.

I did try the standard AG 4D 200, and that was 18x20 and pretty low powered. I much prefered the 16x19 tour.

I always said that the AG 4D 200 in 16x19 that they offered in Europe would have been perfect because it would have the 11.8-12.0 ounce weight in an open pattern. However, if you like 18x20, then this will be for you. I use a lot of spin so I didn't like it and I struggled to hit consistently deep in the court.
Great feedback. But this isn't the 4D AG though. Those had a different mold and layup altogether from what little I have researched. From what I read up, most prefer the non 4D. The newer released 4D were sluggish and slightly heavier than regular AG. Mine does still say Tour specs on it so I think this one is AG200 Tour. Not sure if it came in non tour version as well.

I just got them because I have recently been gravitating towards denser patterns. I played with 16x19 for the longest time so it is a strange change. I do love the control orientation.

I definitely think 16x19 would be more powerful. I find that big chunk of 18x20 most definitely are lower powered and way more control oriented. Need fuller swings and big cuts. Just wasn't sure which lines are what in Dunlops.
 
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stingstang

Professional
The 16x19 was a lighter version and actually super low powered as it didn't have the SW of the 18x20. The AG200 has enough beef to crush the ball when you feel like it. Like any 18x20 its very string sensitive though.
 

haqq777

Legend
Here is what I have found in terms of Dunlop history. Please correct me if I am wrong, I have just been reading up and gathering info from this forum.

The last one to arrive in this particular 200 line generation was Biomimetic 200. Offcourse since Srixon has bought Dunlop, I think the naming convention might be different now (unless Dunlop Europe is a completely different entity altogether)? Anyway, here is the lineage in order of first gen to last released:

Revelation 200G
Muscle Weave 200G
Hotmelt 200G
M-Fil 200
Aerogel 200
Aerogel 4D 200
Biomimetic 200

Still trying to figure out where the NT line comes in the whole Dunlop picture. Please feel free to chime in fellas.

Cheers
 

FedBeckRas

Rookie
These are the two sticks. Posting a pic for ease since these are older models:

Gq675Cf.jpg
Those are in great shape, good find!
I string my 4D 200 with either Genesis Black Magic 18g @ 51/Gosen Micro 18g @55 or Gosen Micro 17g @ 58/Pro's Pro Vendetta 1.25 @ 54 (LO)
I played my buddy's Aerogel 200 with Babolat Pro Hurricane 16g @ 35. Plush but lacked control on volleys and flat swings.
I would try it @ 45 with Genesis Black Magic 17/18 or Babolat Pro Hurricane 17/18g.
 

BorgCash

Legend
I had the AG 4D 200 Tour, but that was 16x19, so it was not low in power. Heavy as hell and tiring over a long match though.

I did try the standard AG 4D 200, and that was 18x20 and pretty low powered. I much prefered the 16x19 tour.

I always said that the AG 4D 200 in 16x19 that they offered in Europe would have been perfect because it would have the 11.8-12.0 ounce weight in an open pattern. However, if you like 18x20, then this will be for you. I use a lot of spin so I didn't like it and I struggled to hit consistently deep in the court.

All my 4D Aerogel 200 Tour (i have four) are 16x18 and they are not low powered. Regular 4D Aerogel 200 (not Tour) are low powered but more control. But i like both models. 16X19 that i have is Aerogel 200 and that this one that i like less than two previous. I'm gonna sell it.
 

haqq777

Legend
Those are in great shape, good find!
I string my 4D 200 with either Genesis Black Magic 18g @ 51/Gosen Micro 18g @55 or Gosen Micro 17g @ 58/Pro's Pro Vendetta 1.25 @ 54 (LO)
I played my buddy's Aerogel 200 with Babolat Pro Hurricane 16g @ 35. Plush but lacked control on volleys and flat swings.
I would try it @ 45 with Genesis Black Magic 17/18 or Babolat Pro Hurricane 17/18g.
Thanks! Yes, I have the AG200 to the stringer. Using Volkl Cyclone 17 and have instructed him to use 45 lbs as I thought that would be a good starting point. Will go from there. Cheers.
 

topspn

Legend
Yep, the AG200 is in excellent shape. And to think it released in 2008, more than a decade ago now lol. The NT Revolution is a 2015 release so it is also about 3 years or so old and it looks scratchless really. I am keen to know the history of both lines but so far have not gotten much.
You seem to be intrigued by tighter patterns. Quite a bit away from TC100. I’ll be hitting my PSTGT tomorrow for first time with Kevlar hybrid
 

haqq777

Legend
You seem to be intrigued by tighter patterns. Quite a bit away from TC100. I’ll be hitting my PSTGT tomorrow for first time with Kevlar hybrid
Yep, indeed. I think my lack of time spent with tighter patterns in my younger, college playing days is now slowly manifesting through these random tight pattern racquet purchases, lol. Definitely very different than the open 16x19 TC100. Even swaying from the power and feedback of PSTGT.

I do have a feeling that it's a phase. I think I will ultimately settle on a happy medium, lol. Everytime I take the Thors hammer out or the PSTGT from the bag, the ball begs for mercy. Those pummel like no other.

I am liking the control though of dense patterns. Never knew I could direct the ball like I can with these tighter patterns. Offcourse comes at the expense of spin and lower margin for error. Very low net clearance. Goes like a rocket though if it's well struck.
 

topspn

Legend
Yep, indeed. I think my lack of time spent with tighter patterns in my younger, college playing days is now slowly manifesting through these random tight pattern racquet purchases, lol. Definitely very different than the open 16x19 TC100. Even swaying from the power and feedback of PSTGT.

I do have a feeling that it's a phase. I think I will ultimately settle on a happy medium, lol. Everytime I take the Thors hammer out or the PSTGT from the bag, the ball begs for mercy. Those pummel like no other.

I am liking the control though of dense patterns. Never knew I could direct the ball like I can with these tighter patterns. Offcourse comes at the expense of spin and lower margin for error. Very low net clearance. Goes like a rocket though if it's well struck.
Aha living new Tennis experiences! That’s awesome and I relate as I’ve generally not played tight patterns. I was just thinking the other day that P17 is a good compromise with those 8 center mains yet has a whallop and options of heavy spin or laser beams. I think a powerful 18x20 could be a cool option so precision laser beams. Maybe 18x20 PS or TC95 in the bag to add that type of a frame
 

Imago

Hall of Fame
Yesterday, I've strung proportionally my BioMimetic F2.0 Tour with Babolat Challenge Pro 1.35 @ 56 2xATW, and Babolat Ballistic Polymono @ 55 both applying reduction down to 40 and it was more controlled and plush than the AG 2Hundred 4D strung analogically with Babolat VS Touch and Sonic Pro Edge. The latter was definitely more versatile in every aspect. Still not as powerful as Biomimetic 200 Tour (16x18) - which was so at the expense of some residual vibrations in the elbow, despite the full-bed syngut.
 

haqq777

Legend
Aha living new Tennis experiences! That’s awesome and I relate as I’ve generally not played tight patterns. I was just thinking the other day that P17 is a good compromise with those 8 center mains yet has a whallop and options of heavy spin or laser beams. I think a powerful 18x20 could be a cool option so precision laser beams. Maybe 18x20 PS or TC95 in the bag to add that type of a frame
Absolutely! For sure. I think the P17 and even the DR98 have closer mains in the center so they have that precision effect and play closer to how 18x20 would even though they are 16x19. Very good compromise indeed. All in all, just good fun trying new things :)
 

haqq777

Legend
Yesterday, I've strung proportionally my BioMimetic F2.0 Tour with Babolat Challenge Pro 1.35 @ 56 2xATW, and Babolat Ballistic Polymono @ 55 both applying reduction down to 40 and it was more controlled and plush than the AG 2Hundred 4D strung analogically with Babolat VS Touch and Sonic Pro Edge. The latter was definitely more versatile in every aspect. Still not as powerful as Biomimetic 200 Tour (16x18) - which was so at the expense of some residual vibrations in the elbow, despite the full-bed syngut.
Thanks for the feedback. Were the F2.0 Tour from the same 200 line? I know that the 200 (Revelation, Hotmelt, Muscle Weave, Aerogel etc) were all 18x20 pattern if I am not mistaken.
 

Imago

Hall of Fame
Thanks for the feedback. Were the F2.0 Tour from the same 200 line? I know that the 200 (Revelation, Hotmelt, Muscle Weave, Aerogel etc) were all 18x20 pattern if I am not mistaken.

Form is the same but mold is different, more D-shaped, like an inverted TC95. There are two versions of it - M and F. F is heavier 18x20.
 

JonnyAbs

Semi-Pro
All my 4D Aerogel 200 Tour (i have four) are 16x18 and they are not low powered. Regular 4D Aerogel 200 (not Tour) are low powered but more control. But i like both models. 16X19 that i have is Aerogel 200 and that this one that i like less than two previous. I'm gonna sell it.
You are right, the 4D 200 Tours are 16x18. I would have liked to try an AG 200 16x19 as the 4d 200 Tours were just too heavy at almost 12.5 ounces and a 350SW.
 

JonnyAbs

Semi-Pro
Great feedback. But this isn't the 4D AG though. Those had a different mold and layup altogether from what little I have researched. From what I read up, most prefer the non 4D. The newer released 4D were sluggish and slightly heavier than regular AG. Mine does still say Tour specs on it so I think this one is AG200 Tour. Not sure if it came in non tour version as well.

What are its specs? Weight and swingweight? I liked the 4D 200 Tour, just too heavy. It was 12.5 ounces with dampener and overgrip. half an ounce lighter with a 330 instead of 350SW would have been perfect.

Thanks! Yes, I have the AG200 to the stringer. Using Volkl Cyclone 17 and have instructed him to use 45 lbs as I thought that would be a good starting point. Will go from there. Cheers.

Great starting point for this low powered and dense frame.
 

haqq777

Legend
What are its specs? Weight and swingweight? I liked the 4D 200 Tour, just too heavy. It was 12.5 ounces with dampener and overgrip. half an ounce lighter with a 330 instead of 350SW would have been perfect.

Great starting point for this low powered and dense frame.
Thanks, I figured any higher than 45 lbs and it might start feeling boardy given its head size and very tight 18x20 pattern. It was 322g unstrung with OG. I think it will be in the 340-345g (12.0-12.2oz) range once strung. I will have it measured on RDC for swingweight myself but I checked and TW description has this at 331 swingweight. I will report back here after I hit and have it measured on RDC.
 
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Imago

Hall of Fame
Just got a second AG 200 4D 18x20 that is 0.3 mm thinner, 7 g lighter and seemingly more flexy than the first one.

200g.jpg
 

Imago

Hall of Fame
Actually i wonder why you did it, it's nothing.

Felt the new stick to be little bit flexier, so wondered why.

AG and BM have different hybrid strings but one and the same tension. Balance, weight and comfort are the same, AG (the one strung with VS Touch in the mains) has more power and feels more crisp (the other AG is with the original SG strings, so I have to restring it). Both are more controlled than all versions of Prestige MP up to IG, with less vibrations, not unsimilar to Pro Tour. So far I like them more than HM.

Would recommend NG 1.25 @ 25 and round poly 1.20 @ 24.
 

BorgCash

Legend
Felt the new stick to be little bit flexier, so wondered why.

AG and BM have different hybrid strings but one and the same tension. Balance, weight and comfort are the same, AG (the one strung with VS Touch in the mains) has more power and feels more crisp (the other AG is with the original SG strings, so I have to restring it). Both are more controlled than all versions of Prestige MP up to IG, with less vibrations, not unsimilar to Pro Tour. So far I like them more than HM.

Would recommend NG 1.25 @ 25 and round poly 1.20 @ 24.
Are AG 18x20 and BM 16x18?
 

Imago

Hall of Fame
Ok, I see. What can you say about 4D AG compare to BM, (not F2.0), the one you have on the left?

It's a pretty racket, good balance with crisp feeling, seemingly comfortable - but something bothers my elbow even after 10 serves. What I embraced from the first hit is M-fil 200.
 
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