I have to agree with this. Exception was the F3.0 Tour. Apart from that, Dunlops end at the 4d range.
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I have to agree with this. Exception was the F3.0 Tour. Apart from that, Dunlops end at the 4d range.
Overheadsmash
Professional
I really wanted to like the F3.0 Tour, but never could get any depth on my shots with it. The Bio 300 Tour though is a different story. I love playing doubles with it. Very accurate on my volleys and can punch it deep. I use gut in the mains and a thin soft poly cross.
weelie
Professional
I tried Wilson Burn 100LS yesterday. Interestingly it felt a bit more bouncy, and shots were flying slightly, felt no chance in top spin, but on the balance, I felt I had better control on my trusty F3.0. Did not really learn anything from the test, I guess. I could play with the Burn, no problem, but it was nothing special and maybe slightly too stiff (felt it in my elbow very slightly after the 90min).
But based on your reply (thanks!) and my test yesterday (which did not really relate to this), I will now order a M3.0. Hopefully it will feel about the same as F3.0, only possibly slightly more powerful and not excessively stiff. F3.0s look to be twice the price, so worth a gamble.
(The M6.0 felt like steel. Look akward and boring. Strokes were ok. Only bought it as it was very cheap at around 35 euros. Gave it to my sister in law, who has the young hands, which can take a really stiff racket)
Zacenroe86
Rookie
Has anybody tried the Biofibre F 3.1 Tour?
I just ordered one, have played with Dunlop since the Muscle Weave 200..decided I needed something more forgiving for coaching/feeding. Any input would be appreciated
I just ordered one, have played with Dunlop since the Muscle Weave 200..decided I needed something more forgiving for coaching/feeding. Any input would be appreciated
robbo1970
Hall of Fame
Should be just like the F3.0 Tour, but with a different paintjob. The F3.0 Tour is arguably the best of the latest range and gets very good reviews, so I fully expect the F3.1 Tour to be equally as good.
Zacenroe86
Rookie
Never played with F 3.0 tour.. Unfortunately. Jumping from M-fil 200 18x20
I like the F3.0T so much that I finally consider terminating my racquetholism and settling on it. But now I begin curious about all these BIO/F/M 300/3.0 tour/non-tour etc...
What string setup do you use for the Bio 200? I use 18g multifilament at 50lbs and it's nice but might go to 45lbs next time. Also have you tried the Bio 200 Tour?
Both my Mfil200's weigh in right at 12.4 oz's, and both very close to 344 SW, while being very soft flexing and low powered. Nice if I was younger or stronger.
My Bio3T's weigh in at just over 12 oz, but SW in the lower 320's, with over 18" of 1/2 lead in the head and butt cap area.
I'm old, slow, and weak, so currently mostly using Aero500's weighed to around the above, and a weighted F5T.
I think I played my very worse tennis 3 year's ago when I was using 2 4D Aero 300's, no power, good control, dead stock 11 oz, 320 SWs.
My Bio3T's weigh in at just over 12 oz, but SW in the lower 320's, with over 18" of 1/2 lead in the head and butt cap area.
I'm old, slow, and weak, so currently mostly using Aero500's weighed to around the above, and a weighted F5T.
I think I played my very worse tennis 3 year's ago when I was using 2 4D Aero 300's, no power, good control, dead stock 11 oz, 320 SWs.
Do you find 50lbs too stiff feeling on the Bio 200? I felt the string bed just didn't flex enough and the hitting response too "boardy". I'm thinking of going to 45lbs.
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Crocodile
G.O.A.T.
Hi Eric
To answer your question I would say that at the time when I first started using the Bio 200 I had just changed from the 4d 16/19 200 and I had it strung at 55lbs so going to the bio 200 18/20 pattern I dropped it to 50lbs and it was comfortable for me at the time.
Moving now to 2016 I would say that going to 45lbs would be a worthwhile move as the power level of many of the modern offerings is much higher plus many of the newer player frames are now around that 97-98 head size so a 95 head in an 18/20 is going to feel very low powered.
As a comparison I would try the Prince 95 Tour Textreme, Volkl Super 10 Mid 330, and even an old Tecnifibre T Fight 320 to get a point of reference as to where the Dunlop fits in terms of the performance you want out of it.
For me it's always been about the feel and precision of the Bio 200 series and its low flex that I enjoy.
The stiff feeling you may be getting is definately a consequence of the beam width and string bed, you do get more connected to what the ball is doing off the frame and its definately more comfortable than any equivalent Wilson but not as comfortable as say a Donnay Platinum or Volkl 10 series because of their technology.
To answer your question I would say that at the time when I first started using the Bio 200 I had just changed from the 4d 16/19 200 and I had it strung at 55lbs so going to the bio 200 18/20 pattern I dropped it to 50lbs and it was comfortable for me at the time.
Moving now to 2016 I would say that going to 45lbs would be a worthwhile move as the power level of many of the modern offerings is much higher plus many of the newer player frames are now around that 97-98 head size so a 95 head in an 18/20 is going to feel very low powered.
As a comparison I would try the Prince 95 Tour Textreme, Volkl Super 10 Mid 330, and even an old Tecnifibre T Fight 320 to get a point of reference as to where the Dunlop fits in terms of the performance you want out of it.
For me it's always been about the feel and precision of the Bio 200 series and its low flex that I enjoy.
The stiff feeling you may be getting is definately a consequence of the beam width and string bed, you do get more connected to what the ball is doing off the frame and its definately more comfortable than any equivalent Wilson but not as comfortable as say a Donnay Platinum or Volkl 10 series because of their technology.
Thanks for your feedback. I like the feel of the Bio 200 as far as a newer racket but just looking to soften the string bed a bit for added power and response. Also thinking of adding 6 oz of lead tape at 3 and 9 position and 12 oz at the butt for more plow through. That's 24 more ounces. Racket just isn't hefty enough for me. All the new Dunlops still can't compare to the IMF rackets back in the 80s for feel and control imo
Backhanded Compliment
Legend
IMF is just a thing unto itself... A an old 200g user Im enjoying the Angell TC95 (ra58 strung) but nothing really plays like the 200g
Have you tried the 300i or 400i before? How do they compare?
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Crocodile
G.O.A.T.
Hi Eric
Adding 24g will probably take your strung weight to around 360-370 which can work well if it's headlight enough, but that's my personal preference.
I would be interested to see how you would go with s soft multi at 45 pounds in terms of how much improvement in power you get.
Also would like to know if there any more of these racquets left for sale in 5/8 grip around the world. Would love to see Dunlop do a classic re issue of some of their frames as the current frames have no appeal to me.
Adding 24g will probably take your strung weight to around 360-370 which can work well if it's headlight enough, but that's my personal preference.
I would be interested to see how you would go with s soft multi at 45 pounds in terms of how much improvement in power you get.
Also would like to know if there any more of these racquets left for sale in 5/8 grip around the world. Would love to see Dunlop do a classic re issue of some of their frames as the current frames have no appeal to me.
topspinlobber
New User
Biomimetic 500 tour
aerogel 500 tour
biomimetic 100
biomimetic 600 lite! ...Oh and its strung at 10 pounds with black force!! Lol
aerogel 500 tour
biomimetic 100
biomimetic 600 lite! ...Oh and its strung at 10 pounds with black force!! Lol
Well I plan to attach weight to the handle butt too so balance stays about the same. Just want more heft in the racket without putting it all in the head. I'm so used to hefty rackets (grew up with 14.5 oz Maxfort woodie and heavy Dunlop 400i) that I have to adjust my swing too much with sub 13oz rackets. I'm thinking of a thin poly at 42-44lbs.
weelie
Professional
Tried the M3.0 yesterday after a indoor doubles match we had, for 20-30min. Yes, I was able to get more spin, even with the original Silk 1.3mm strings on it. The frame felt less stable (meaning: felt it tremble on some shots) but although it is stiffer, did not feel it in my elbow. Weight felt the same (higher SW but lower static weight, but not by much. Actually the M3.0 is 4 1/4 (+ overgrip that I put on it as fat as I could) while the F3.0 w/o overgrip, so the M is lightly thinner.
Now having it restrung with soft poly at around the same as my F3.0.
robbo1970
Hall of Fame
The HM300G has the lowest swingweight. The AG4D and M3.0 are both at about 320, so more weight in the head. The M3.0 has a stiffer feel and a more rounded head than the oval shape of the other two.
I would say the HM300G and AG4D are similar, apart from the swingweight. The M3.0 is a completely different mold and a move away from the previous version.
I think your decision should be based on whether you want a more traditional feeling racquet or fancy something with a more modern, crisper feel.
JohnBPittsburgh
Hall of Fame
Hm6 Carbon. It's magical carbon laced with moonrocks from Dunlop
xtreme tennis
Rookie
Dunlop experts, anyone with some comments on Dunlop s pro stock that were around TW, Option 11, Option TK1, and TK3??
Automatix
Legend
HM6 is a reference to honeycomb shaped carbon.Hm6 Carbon. It's magical carbon laced with moonrocks from Dunlop
Retail molds - at least currently. TK1 & TK3 is Dunlops copy of Wilsons six.ones. Aeroskin painted on. Matte paintjob.
Not 100% sure but:
9 - 300 mold, retail drill. Code on foam handle AT19-3.
11 - 300 Tour mold, retail drill.
TK1 - 2.0 mold soft, retail drill of the M2.0.
TK3 - 2.0 mold slightly stiffer, retail drill of the M2.0.
Both TKs are softer than retail.
Foam in handle - the 300 had it deeper down in one chamber.
Since Dunlop is basically dying on our eyes and dropping pros like leafs during autumn it makes sense that pro stock Dunlops have been popping up in such amounts.
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Roland G
Hall of Fame
Well I'm keen on both the f3.1 Tour and the Bio 400 Tour so perhaps the m3.0 is the one to go for for. Are the older models really that much softer and lower-powered?
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robbo1970
Hall of Fame
The difference in stiffness is quite negligible really, in terms of what I felt. Similarly with the power. I think a stiffer feel and power can be determined more noticably by strings and tension with these racquets.
The main difference is the mold. That comes down to a player's personal preference. The M3.0 is a nice stick. I would say to anyone who likes the specs and wants a more control oriented lighter racquet, it's well worth a try.
Roland G
Hall of Fame
Which retailer is that? SD?
robbo1970
Hall of Fame
Well, I think it's one of the SD owned companies, but SD still have them at £50.
This retailer has the M3.0, F2.0 and M2.0 at £19.99. I'll message you.
Got intriqued on my 2 Bio300T's, one strung with SpikeyShark16 at 35 lbs., the other Ice at 50, but I gotta grind down the grip of the 50 lbs tension racket to get a better comparison.
Both seem to be working really well once I settled on serving with my pinkie just barely on the buttcap, getting a fast swing that I couldnt' do with my Mfil200's or any of my 500's.
Got them weighted with 16" of 1/2" lead at the buttcap and just a bit more than that on the 3-9 positions on the head, plus 2-4" at 12, which comes and goes with the day and how I feel.
That Bio300T sure swings fast, no air drag at all, compared to F5T's, Aero500's Mfil200's or 4DAero300's.
Both seem to be working really well once I settled on serving with my pinkie just barely on the buttcap, getting a fast swing that I couldnt' do with my Mfil200's or any of my 500's.
Got them weighted with 16" of 1/2" lead at the buttcap and just a bit more than that on the 3-9 positions on the head, plus 2-4" at 12, which comes and goes with the day and how I feel.
That Bio300T sure swings fast, no air drag at all, compared to F5T's, Aero500's Mfil200's or 4DAero300's.
Roland G
Hall of Fame
Thanks for that. I'm trying to be really really disciplined these days when it comes to buying frames, but at that price I'd be mad not to!
tacotanium
Professional
Currently testing a new string setup. Tornado 123 with SPPP 128 on the cross (prevously poly/multi) at 52/53 lbs. It feels great, the spin is awesome with this setup. If durability is just as great I maybe switching for good. I love the spin. Everything else is just as great.
MayorGorman
Rookie
Anyone here selling Aerogel 4d 100, or a Biomimetic M2.0?
JohnBPittsburgh
Hall of Fame
This isn't the correct place for this conversation (I am not the TW police or anything, just letting you know!) I would try posting in the Wanted section. I have to look, but I might still have an extra M2.0 prostock from TW (It's an awesome frame, but very light...I might have cut it down to 27". I would have to check. But, I got two of them, and customized one for myself, and think I left the other one stock for now. If it is something you might be interested in, send me a message)
To stay on topic of the Dunlop Users Association. I have been really liking the TW prostocks Option 11 and 12. I cut them down to 27" and added some silicone in the handle to make them more headlight. They are hefty frames, but hit such a solid ball (it's like a truck hitting a smart car) I have also been really liking the Hotmelt 200G's (which I also added silicone in the handle). I have them strung with Black Shark 17, and they offer so much control, it is hard not to love them. I have been spending a lot of time perfecting my one handed backhand, and the 95 with 18x20 pattern allows me to place the ball wherever I want, with a surprising amount of spin!!! I was late to the party in discovering Dunlop. But their older frames are amazing!!! I am very thankful to @Alan_Hill for introducing me to this great brand (thank you for the Hotmelts!!! I hope you are getting some court time in!!!)
To stay on topic of the Dunlop Users Association. I have been really liking the TW prostocks Option 11 and 12. I cut them down to 27" and added some silicone in the handle to make them more headlight. They are hefty frames, but hit such a solid ball (it's like a truck hitting a smart car)
I have also been really liking the Hotmelt 200G's (which I also added silicone in the handle). I have them strung with Black Shark 17, and they offer so much control, it is hard not to love them. I have been spending a lot of time perfecting my one handed backhand, and the 95 with 18x20 pattern allows me to place the ball wherever I want, with a surprising amount of spin!!! I was late to the party in discovering Dunlop. But their older frames are amazing!!! I am very thankful to @Alan_Hill for introducing me to this great brand (thank you for the Hotmelts!!! I hope you are getting some court time in!!!)
SteveI
Legend
Sorry just sold both
MayorGorman
Rookie
This isn't the correct place for this conversation (I am not the TW police or anything, just letting you know!) I would try posting in the Wanted section. I have to look, but I might still have an extra M2.0 prostock from TW (It's an awesome frame, but very light...I might have cut it down to 27". I would have to check. But, I got two of them, and customized one for myself, and think I left the other one stock for now. If it is something you might be interested in, send me a message)
To stay on topic of the Dunlop Users Association. I have been really liking the TW prostocks Option 11 and 12. I cut them down to 27" and added some silicone in the handle to make them more headlight. They are hefty frames, but hit such a solid ball (it's like a truck hitting a smart car)
I apologize new user here on tennis talk, just an avid dunlop lover who was trying to add to my small collection. I'll be sure to look elsewhere for new sticks, but loving more and more the older mids to midplus that dunlop has to offer!
Backhanded Compliment
Legend
To stay on topic of the Dunlop Users Association. I have been really liking the TW prostocks Option 11 and 12. I cut them down to 27" and added some silicone in the handle to make them more headlight. They are hefty frames, but hit such a solid ball (it's like a truck hitting a smart car)
Yeah I love the older Dunlops... Paul Angell really had a touch for design, which he puts to great use in his own small custom racquet firm today. The Angell TC95 really is an apotheosis of what he learned at Dunlop and then perfected for his own Angell brand.
tacotanium
Professional
I pm'ed you.
This is a horrible setup for anyone sensitive to TE. Other than TE this is the best setup i've tried so far. Currently testing gut/poly and multi/poly; both great for TE so far, just testing on durability. All these three setup have excellent spin, especially gut/poly and multi/poly.
The 'hm' stands for High Modulus. The '6' refers the shape of the contruction of the high modulus carbon which is a 6 sided hexagon that can hold it's shape even when great force is applied. Just like the honey comb structure in bee hives.
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Seth
Legend
May be a collectible to some. The Maxply McEnroe from the mid-2000s doesn't really fetch that much coin.
The Bio Max 200g is a phenomenal frame. Definitely worth a purchase.
FedBeckRas
Rookie
The Biomimetic 200 lite was a fun hit. I remember thinking it needed a setup similar to what you use to shine. I wanted more weight for plow.
The Biomimetic 100 is a great stick as well that plays similar.
The Biomimetic 100 is a great stick as well that plays similar.
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DonDiego
Hall of Fame
Just back from a good singles win against a tough opponent, and I was using the F3.0 Tour. What a nice frame! More finishing power and forgiveness than the Prestige MP, with the same great directional control. I usually use poly and this was a demo strung with Wilson NXT. I didn't even notice the difference.
Anyone knows why the Biofibre lineup is gone form the Dunlop page on TW?
Anyone knows why the Biofibre lineup is gone form the Dunlop page on TW?
Roland G
Hall of Fame
Probably because it was a flop and Dunlop have discontinued it to focus on the new ranges - precision and force.
Yes, the f3.0 Tour is a fantastic frame, I really wish I hadn't sold mine [emoji26]